The Ars Magna part 2- In the Beginning
Apr 2, 2021 23:09:37 #
The science of cosmology encompasses all our knowledge of the cosmos- from the smallest to the largest units of space, time, matter and energy as well as natural history and the arts and sciences. Using modern scientific tools such as high energy particle accelerators, super computer networks and orbiting observatories, detailed models of the universe in its earliest form have been created. The startling conclusion is that to have the abundance of elements contained on our planet as the result of random chance is so extremely unlikely that to the rational mind it is impossible. Here, to paraphrase Dr. Paul Davies, astrophysicist, and with the addition of my own comments, is the reason I say this.
Almost all of the atoms of all of the elements of the Periodic Table originated in primordial, enormous clusters of blue super giant stars that burned at a furious rate when the universe was young, fusing all of their hydrogen into helium and continuing to create, by fusion, successively heavier elements, thus creating all forms of matter. At the end of their sequence most of these stars would explode into hyper-novas, hurling all the atoms of the elements they created into interstellar space.
In recent decades the Hubble Space Telescope and other orbiting observatories have collected, photon by photon, pico-watt by pico-watt, the light and radiation that emanated and is still arriving from the most distant, most ancient celestial ghosts of the first mega-stars. Networked super computers, crunching numbers far beyond our comprehension, accurately model the dispersion of atoms that resulted from the cataclysmic hyper-novas. The interaction of these atoms and subatomic particles with each other as well as dark matter and anti-particles are known to us by observations made in atomic accelerators and super colliders.
As eons passed and galaxies of more stable stars formed from the remaining clouds of hydrogen atoms, the individual atoms of the heavier elements were moving through vast empty chasms of intergalactic space. The question is, given the amount of atoms, their movement and interaction and the expanding volume of the universe, how likely is it that the abundance of these elements found on the Earth is the result of randomly moving atoms being trapped in the Sun's gravity well and being concentrated in the band of the accretion disc that was to become Earth? It's as if almost all the dust in a house randomly settled on a single groove of a phonograph record, leaving the rest of the record and even the rest of the house practically immaculate! I wish that would happen regularly in my house!
Actually, what happened is far more unlikely than even that.
The probability of things on Earth being as they are as a result of random chance is so extremely low as to be considered impossible. Although the actual statistical ratio of this probability is a number that is incomprehensibly infinitesimal, an understandable analogy can be made.
Imagine all the grains of sand in the Sahara Desert, including all the sand way down to the bedrock. Now imagine that one of these grains has been marked. You travel to a random position of your choosing, dig if you so choose, and you pick the marked grain on your first attempt. If that sounds impossible, imagine doing this seven times with seven different grains with no mistakes.
This illustrates the likelihood that the large variety and quantity of elements found on the Earth were captured in our Sun's accretion disc by chance. The high degree of improbability makes intelligent design, rather than random chance, the preferred model for Earth's creation.
My next post will be the conclusion of The Ars Magna.
Almost all of the atoms of all of the elements of the Periodic Table originated in primordial, enormous clusters of blue super giant stars that burned at a furious rate when the universe was young, fusing all of their hydrogen into helium and continuing to create, by fusion, successively heavier elements, thus creating all forms of matter. At the end of their sequence most of these stars would explode into hyper-novas, hurling all the atoms of the elements they created into interstellar space.
In recent decades the Hubble Space Telescope and other orbiting observatories have collected, photon by photon, pico-watt by pico-watt, the light and radiation that emanated and is still arriving from the most distant, most ancient celestial ghosts of the first mega-stars. Networked super computers, crunching numbers far beyond our comprehension, accurately model the dispersion of atoms that resulted from the cataclysmic hyper-novas. The interaction of these atoms and subatomic particles with each other as well as dark matter and anti-particles are known to us by observations made in atomic accelerators and super colliders.
As eons passed and galaxies of more stable stars formed from the remaining clouds of hydrogen atoms, the individual atoms of the heavier elements were moving through vast empty chasms of intergalactic space. The question is, given the amount of atoms, their movement and interaction and the expanding volume of the universe, how likely is it that the abundance of these elements found on the Earth is the result of randomly moving atoms being trapped in the Sun's gravity well and being concentrated in the band of the accretion disc that was to become Earth? It's as if almost all the dust in a house randomly settled on a single groove of a phonograph record, leaving the rest of the record and even the rest of the house practically immaculate! I wish that would happen regularly in my house!
Actually, what happened is far more unlikely than even that.
The probability of things on Earth being as they are as a result of random chance is so extremely low as to be considered impossible. Although the actual statistical ratio of this probability is a number that is incomprehensibly infinitesimal, an understandable analogy can be made.
Imagine all the grains of sand in the Sahara Desert, including all the sand way down to the bedrock. Now imagine that one of these grains has been marked. You travel to a random position of your choosing, dig if you so choose, and you pick the marked grain on your first attempt. If that sounds impossible, imagine doing this seven times with seven different grains with no mistakes.
This illustrates the likelihood that the large variety and quantity of elements found on the Earth were captured in our Sun's accretion disc by chance. The high degree of improbability makes intelligent design, rather than random chance, the preferred model for Earth's creation.
My next post will be the conclusion of The Ars Magna.
Apr 4, 2021 07:49:06 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
The science of cosmology encompasses all our knowl... (show quote)
Fascinating and yet mind blowing when speaking of the forming of Earth and perhaps others sustaining life as well..... can’t wait to see if you comment on the Darwinism theory later, given what you recite here..
Ars Magna?? Admittedly I have not read of this before.. The universal creation
by God has to be obvious and may very well be described as you lay down here.. Who is to say the big nang theory itself is false narrative and why could it not all have been at the doing of God if you believe in it??
I can not dismiss its potential or the fact that our creator, needing something challenging( if you will) in fact started the Universal creation putting things as you suggest here in motion to then watch its development..???
Apr 4, 2021 20:39:20 #
[quote =lindajoy]
Ars Magna?? Admittedly I have not read of this before.. The universal creation
by God has to be obvious and may very well be described as you lay down here.. Who is to say the big nang theory itself is false narrative and why could it not all have been at the doing of God if you believe in it??
I can not dismiss its potential or the fact that our creator, needing something challenging( if you will) in fact started the Universal creation putting things as you suggest here in motion to then watch its development..???[/quote]
The astrophysics that Dr. Davies discusses by way of my post doesn't take the place of the Big Bang, it actually begins to occur a few hundred million years after the Big Bang.
The Big Bang, by the way, was first postulated by a Catholic monk working as an astronomer at the Vatican Observatory!
After the Big Bang the universe was an opaque, white plasma and inflating faster than the speed of light for a very long time. Within this plasma quarks, leptons, mesons and all kinds of subatomic particles were being formed which eventually became hydrogen atoms.
The universe began to darken and slow down, revealing vast hydrogen clouds still glowing from the primordial heat. Now a new thing began to mold shapes in space, gravity. And as the clouds condensed, inconceivably enormous stars were formed, each on the average as Big as our entire solar system. This is the point at which my narrative begins. 🌌
Ars Magna?? Admittedly I have not read of this before.. The universal creation
by God has to be obvious and may very well be described as you lay down here.. Who is to say the big nang theory itself is false narrative and why could it not all have been at the doing of God if you believe in it??
I can not dismiss its potential or the fact that our creator, needing something challenging( if you will) in fact started the Universal creation putting things as you suggest here in motion to then watch its development..???[/quote]
The astrophysics that Dr. Davies discusses by way of my post doesn't take the place of the Big Bang, it actually begins to occur a few hundred million years after the Big Bang.
The Big Bang, by the way, was first postulated by a Catholic monk working as an astronomer at the Vatican Observatory!
After the Big Bang the universe was an opaque, white plasma and inflating faster than the speed of light for a very long time. Within this plasma quarks, leptons, mesons and all kinds of subatomic particles were being formed which eventually became hydrogen atoms.
The universe began to darken and slow down, revealing vast hydrogen clouds still glowing from the primordial heat. Now a new thing began to mold shapes in space, gravity. And as the clouds condensed, inconceivably enormous stars were formed, each on the average as Big as our entire solar system. This is the point at which my narrative begins. 🌌
Apr 4, 2021 21:47:49 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
The astrophysics that Dr. Davies discusses by way ... (show quote)
Astounding!!! Absolutely astounding your knowledge is!!!
“After” the Big Bang theory, most enlightening!!
I know the Big Bang theory came from the Vatican Monk, its just that I have my own reverence of such and if I am to have full “ belief” in it then I do so setting the perimeter that it was put in place by He above...
Millions of years after the Big Bang theory fascinating and brings me back to “what is a day in Gods time??”
I look forward to more of this intriguing quest you share...
Apr 4, 2021 22:34:59 #
I share your reverence for the Big Bang. It is the moment of creation, which logically implies a creator.
A favorite alternative "logic" among atheists is that the "creator " is just the "laws of physics ".
Well, I'm not aware of any example of physics in which something is created from nothing. Even quantum physics, where sometimes particles seem to pop in and out of existence, seem to imply that these poppers are entangled with other pre-existing particles.
Another theory is that the Big Bang was preceeded by a Big Crunch of a final cataclysmic contraction of a previous universe. OK, so how many times has this cycle repeated? Oh, an infinite amount, huh? Don't even get me started! The concept of infinity is a human invention. Even pi can be resolved down to a Planck constant! The expanding universe itself has boundaries, thus is finite!
It's like the conversation between the
exasperated shaman and the student who asked, "Teacher, if the world rests upon the back of a giant turtle, which in turn rests upon the back of an even larger turtle, which in turn rests upon..."
"Look kid, it's turtles all the way down, ok?" 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢...♾
A favorite alternative "logic" among atheists is that the "creator " is just the "laws of physics ".
Well, I'm not aware of any example of physics in which something is created from nothing. Even quantum physics, where sometimes particles seem to pop in and out of existence, seem to imply that these poppers are entangled with other pre-existing particles.
Another theory is that the Big Bang was preceeded by a Big Crunch of a final cataclysmic contraction of a previous universe. OK, so how many times has this cycle repeated? Oh, an infinite amount, huh? Don't even get me started! The concept of infinity is a human invention. Even pi can be resolved down to a Planck constant! The expanding universe itself has boundaries, thus is finite!
It's like the conversation between the
exasperated shaman and the student who asked, "Teacher, if the world rests upon the back of a giant turtle, which in turn rests upon the back of an even larger turtle, which in turn rests upon..."
"Look kid, it's turtles all the way down, ok?" 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢...♾
Apr 4, 2021 23:20:59 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
I share your reverence for the Big Bang. It is the... (show quote)
“Big Crunch of a final cataclysmic contraction of a previous universe.” Now this I have read of through Stephen Hawkins research that our Universe may be one of many similar to our own...The theory resolves a cosmic paradox of the late physicist's own making, go figure.... It also points a way forward for astronomers to find evidence of the existence of parallel universes. Along with multiple universes..Not that any have been detected which begs the question: how would there be away to detect it?? Would we need reverse technology to perhaps capture any minute bit of some sort if evidence??
AKA~~parallel universe, also known as an alternate universe, or alternate reality, which is a hypothetical self-contained plane of existence, co-existing with one's own... (Which causes me caution flashers... lol.) The sum of all potential parallel universes that constitute reality is often called a “multiverse"...( similar to multi personalities, from his standpoint??)
The Universe does have boundaries yet those boundaries staggering in what they may be given our antiquated source of technology or research applying quantitive reasoning, being the negative when feeding the technology to seek the variance itself...
Atheist and laws of physics is almost a misnomer..
Apr 5, 2021 11:47:23 #
Parallel universes, what lies outside the boundaries, why were dinosaurs created, extraterrestrial life, how does planet Earth ultimately end...we won't have to wait long for our answers.
For now we see but through a glass, darkly. But when we shuffle off this mortal coil and return to our Heavenly home, all will be revealed. We will experience and understand all that eye has not seen and ear has not heard. So exciting!
For now we see but through a glass, darkly. But when we shuffle off this mortal coil and return to our Heavenly home, all will be revealed. We will experience and understand all that eye has not seen and ear has not heard. So exciting!
Apr 5, 2021 12:13:34 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
Parallel universes, what lies outside the boundaries, why were dinosaurs created, extraterrestrial life, how does planet Earth ultimately end...we won't have to wait long for our answers.
For now we see but through a glass, darkly. But when we shuffle off this mortal coil and return to our Heavenly home, all will be revealed. We will experience and understand all that eye has not seen and ear has not heard. So exciting!
For now we see but through a glass, darkly. But when we shuffle off this mortal coil and return to our Heavenly home, all will be revealed. We will experience and understand all that eye has not seen and ear has not heard. So exciting!
It truly is exciting and mind blowing... I suspect the mind blowing part is because I lack sufficient knowledge of what makes this universe tick??? Thus my (our) need to dwell into it more..
My Grandfather( deceased) worked for NSSA, an Electrical Engineer, and always had huge blue prints measuring this, that and the other.. If he went in to work on Saturdays I would occasionally go with him..I definitely got to see more than the tours offered..One time got to go into the gravity chamber but for only two minutes with instructions to hold onto the side bars and not release it.. Freaked me out from the moment I entered.. Floating instantly both legs straight out.. moving without feeling myself move then it was, ok Linda come to the door..No, it did not impact my breathing either.. Was a tad dizzy when I stepped out and a twinge of nausea that quickly left when grounded... My grandfather smiled and said “ I told you so.” Well, side tracked, sorry...
Apr 5, 2021 18:45:05 #
While driving home tjis discussion was on my mind~~
Conclusion of the moment~~ This parallel universe is full of mystery and delight...That is IF there is such a thing...😉
Conclusion of the moment~~ This parallel universe is full of mystery and delight...That is IF there is such a thing...😉
Apr 6, 2021 07:15:35 #
lindajoy wrote:
My Grandfather( deceased) worked for NSSA, an Electrical Engineer, and always had huge blue prints measuring this, that ... Well, side tracked, sorry...
My Grandfather( deceased) worked for NSSA, an Electrical Engineer, and always had huge blue prints measuring this, that ... Well, side tracked, sorry...
Did you mean NASA?
A most interesting side track! I actually dreamed last night about being in a very tall elevator that was allowed to drop (like the drop towers in amusement parks). It was a good dream!
I imagine this is how an anti gravity simulation would work, although with NASA you never know. They also have their "vomit comet" aircraft for weightless experience.
Apr 6, 2021 08:09:04 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
Did you mean NASA?
A most interesting side track! I actually dreamed last night about being in a very tall elevator that was allowed to drop (like the drop towers in amusement parks). It was a good dream!
I imagine this is how an anti gravity simulation would work, although with NASA you never know. They also have their "vomit comet" aircraft for weightless experience.
A most interesting side track! I actually dreamed last night about being in a very tall elevator that was allowed to drop (like the drop towers in amusement parks). It was a good dream!
I imagine this is how an anti gravity simulation would work, although with NASA you never know. They also have their "vomit comet" aircraft for weightless experience.
Yes, I did mean NASA...Sorry, I missed my error..
“Vomit comet”~~ aware of it but not in use in Cape Canaveral, at least then.... My Grandfather shared it with me as a training tool but said that it was housed in Texas.. then...
I would have gone on one in a heart heat!!!
Those dropping fast kinda rides or the ones that spin so fast and the floor drops out, wooooooozer!!! Love em/hate em at the same time... Went on a spinner once that made me sick when getting off...Was my last time...lolol
Must ask, did the elevator drop continue or stop as if in free motion? If you don’t mind me asking..
Apr 6, 2021 09:19:21 #
lindajoy wrote:
Must ask, did the elevator drop continue or stop as if in free motion? If you don’t mind me asking..
Must ask, did the elevator drop continue or stop as if in free motion? If you don’t mind me asking..
It's funny- the details of dreams...
I usually don't remember dreams, although I do awaken a couple times each night and have vague recollection. No bad dreams 😴
This particular dream, however, is still quite clear. It was a training device and there was another man in there with me. We were weightless, I was fine but he, not so much.
There were two loud crashing noises which indicated we were stopping and to brace for impact. I told him to jump up so he would be in the air when we hit bottom!
Then I awoke! 👨🚀
Apr 6, 2021 09:29:36 #
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
It's funny- the details of dreams... br br I usua... (show quote)
That has many avenues if we believe dreams are the sub~Conscience releasing...
And dang it how we always wake right before something is about to happen...lolol
I never thought I dreamt but overtime did start to remember something here and there..Still don’t think I dream a lot because of the same reason or more so because I wake always with the mind thinking...(racing on)
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