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Apr 1, 2021 14:39:15   #
Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge
 
https://www.rawstory.com/republicans-h**e-biden-infrastructure-loved-trumps/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=6887

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Apr 1, 2021 14:49:38   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Kitten Courageous wrote:
https://www.rawstory.com/republicans-h**e-biden-infrastructure-loved-trumps/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=6887


Not even close.
Trumps idea was to improve, repair, and replace infrastructure.
Lying President Biden's is 50% larger, and the majority of it is for non-infrastructure progressive dreams.
Conservatives were opposed to both plans.
We were there, remember? And we are still paying attention, so you can not lie to us and get away with it.
Our current President has no problem stating clear obvious lies as fact, then standing by them as his boat sinks.
L*****ts who claimed Trump lied if he said the sun was shining have no moral ground left, considering what P. Biden is doing and saying.

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Apr 1, 2021 14:55:00   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Not even close.
Trumps idea was to improve, repair, and replace infrastructure.
Lying President Biden's is 50% larger, and the majority of it is for non-infrastructure progressive dreams.
Conservatives were opposed to both plans.
We were there, remember? And we are still paying attention, so you can not lie to us and get away with it.
Our current President has no problem stating clear obvious lies as fact, then standing by them as his boat sinks.
L*****ts who claimed Trump lied if he said the sun was shining have no moral ground left, considering what P. Biden is doing and saying.
Not even close. br Trumps idea was to improve, r... (show quote)



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Apr 1, 2021 14:55:42   #
woodguru
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Not even close.
Trumps idea was to improve, repair, and replace infrastructure.
Lying President Biden's is 50% larger, and the majority of it is for non-infrastructure progressive dreams.
Conservatives were opposed to both plans.
We were there, remember? And we are still paying attention, so you can not lie to us and get away with it.
Our current President has no problem stating clear obvious lies as fact, then standing by them as his boat sinks.
L*****ts who claimed Trump lied if he said the sun was shining have no moral ground left, considering what P. Biden is doing and saying.
Not even close. br Trumps idea was to improve, r... (show quote)


You are so full of crap, and the majority is not as you say "the majority for non infrastructure progressive dreams". My guess is that you have no idea what is in the bill...every state's representatives and senators will have input as to what they think needs to be fixed or improved, the upside being that it will put millions of people to work.

Conservative opposition is more about ending tax cuts for the wealthy, and increasing taxes for billion dollar corporations.

Are you aware of the fact that americans favor making billionaires pay for this by 2 to 1?

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Apr 1, 2021 15:31:59   #
WEBCO
 
woodguru wrote:
You are so full of crap, and the majority is not as you say "the majority for non infrastructure progressive dreams". My guess is that you have no idea what is in the bill...every state's representatives and senators will have input as to what they think needs to be fixed or improved, the upside being that it will put millions of people to work.

Conservative opposition is more about ending tax cuts for the wealthy, and increasing taxes for billion dollar corporations.

Are you aware of the fact that americans favor making billionaires pay for this by 2 to 1?
You are so full of crap, and the majority is not a... (show quote)

Are you aware that only 5% goes for infrastructure?

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Apr 1, 2021 16:05:39   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
You are so full of crap, and the majority is not as you say "the majority for non infrastructure progressive dreams". My guess is that you have no idea what is in the bill...every state's representatives and senators will have input as to what they think needs to be fixed or improved, the upside being that it will put millions of people to work.

Conservative opposition is more about ending tax cuts for the wealthy, and increasing taxes for billion dollar corporations.

Are you aware of the fact that americans favor making billionaires pay for this by 2 to 1?
You are so full of crap, and the majority is not a... (show quote)


Sorry. Your guess is wrong, as usual. I HAVE looked at what is being proposed. Obviously you have NOT. Like always, the left are trying to redefine words to mean what they want them to mean. Items like bailing out bankrupt democrat cities is now being called "infrastructure" just for example. So I am not the one full of crap. And no, every representative will NOT have input. The republicans will have their turn to speak, true, and then the progressive mob, joined at the hip to Ms. Pelosi, will override every objection, just as they did with the so-called-but-wasn't stimulus bill last month. And this package may (or may not) create millions of jobs, but the tax increases will drive up the cost of living for everyone, including the poor, and will cost MORE jobs than the infrastructure work will provide, leaving the USA with a net loss of jobs. And the American people may (or may not) want INFRASTRUCTURE investment at 2 to 1, but they do NOT want $3,000,000,000,000.00 dollars of progressive pipe dreams funded on their children's children's children's back.

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Apr 1, 2021 16:14:08   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
One other thing you said:
'Are you aware of the fact that Americans favor making billionaires pay for this by 2 to 1?'
Did you read what you wrote? Clearly you did not understand it. Of COURSE the ignorant and uninformed are all for the billionaires paying for this! Why not get jobs and all kinds of other goodies when you are promised the mean nasty rich folks, full of white privilege and r****m, are going to pay for all of it. Serves them right!
The problem is the democrats have been promising the same kind of claptrap for 50 years, and it has not worked the way they promised ONE SINGLE TIME! The percentage of poor is still virtually the same as it was in the 60's. The poor and underprivileged would have been far better off if we had just educated them and helped them find jobs, instead of PAYING them to sit on their couches, watch TV, and make babies for a living.

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Apr 1, 2021 17:10:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
WEBCO wrote:
Are you aware that only 5% goes for infrastructure?


Bull sh**!!!!!



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Apr 1, 2021 17:12:57   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Not even close.
Trumps idea was to improve, repair, and replace infrastructure.
Lying President Biden's is 50% larger, and the majority of it is for non-infrastructure progressive dreams.
Conservatives were opposed to both plans.
We were there, remember? And we are still paying attention, so you can not lie to us and get away with it.
Our current President has no problem stating clear obvious lies as fact, then standing by them as his boat sinks.
L*****ts who claimed Trump lied if he said the sun was shining have no moral ground left, considering what P. Biden is doing and saying.
Not even close. br Trumps idea was to improve, r... (show quote)


True

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Apr 1, 2021 17:16:34   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
woodguru wrote:
You are so full of crap, and the majority is not as you say "the majority for non infrastructure progressive dreams". My guess is that you have no idea what is in the bill...every state's representatives and senators will have input as to what they think needs to be fixed or improved, the upside being that it will put millions of people to work.

Conservative opposition is more about ending tax cuts for the wealthy, and increasing taxes for billion dollar corporations.

Are you aware of the fact that americans favor making billionaires pay for this by 2 to 1?
You are so full of crap, and the majority is not a... (show quote)


you teay should turn the station or better yet use your brain. Im still waiting to be polled, never been polled, don't know anf family or conservatives who have. Suggest any polls are directed at people they know will agree with them.

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Apr 1, 2021 18:02:10   #
WEBCO
 
permafrost wrote:
Bull sh**!!!!!


Why do you say that? Only 115 billion goes to infrastructure. Read the bill.

You still probably think that more than 9% of the c***d relief bill went for c***d relief.

You probably think that people making less than $400,000 won't pay more in taxes, too.

Damn progressives are dumb

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Apr 1, 2021 19:01:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
WEBCO wrote:
Why do you say that? Only 115 billion goes to infrastructure. Read the bill.

You still probably think that more than 9% of the c***d relief bill went for c***d relief.

You probably think that people making less than $400,000 won't pay more in taxes, too.

Damn progressives are dumb




do you dorky trump people make this stuff up each day or do you wait for the instructions from your orange cloud??

Like everything else in your political dream, nothing you are fed is true..

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983470782/by-the-numbers-bidens-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan

President Biden this week unveiled a massive infrastructure proposal that he says would deliver a "once-in-a-generation investment" in the United States.

Here are six key numbers from the wide-ranging measure:

$2 trillion
The plan's overall estimated price tag.

13
The U.S. ranks 13th in the world in overall infrastructure, according to a World Economic Forum report in 2019. The Biden administration is using the ranking to emphasize the need to rebuild and upgrade roads, bridges and much more.

28%
The proposal would be paid for with a slew of tax increases on corporations. The main corporate tax rate would be raised to 28%, which would be about half as high as what it was before the Republican tax cuts of 2017 that lowered the rate to 21%.

15
While the plan would spend most of the one-time funding over eight years, the corporate tax changes would raise the estimated $2 trillion over 15 years.

$400 billion
infrastructure plan key provisions
White House
The proposal seeks to spend hundreds of billions on what are traditionally considered infrastructure projects, but it would do a lot more — including putting $400 billion toward expanding access to home- or community-based care for the elderly and people with disabilities.

500,000
Among the plan's investments in electric vehicles and their infrastructure are grants and incentives for public and private entities to build a network of 500,000 charging stations by 2030.

And here are some highlights from the plan's spending provisions:

T***sportation:

$174 billion in electric vehicle investments
$115 billion for bridges and roads
$20 billion to improve road safety
$85 billion for existing public t***sit
$80 billion for railways
$50 billion to improve infrastructure resilience
$25 billion for airports
$17 billion for waterways and ports of entry
$20 billion to reconnect urban neighborhoods cut off by highways

Water, Internet, electric:

$45 billion to remove lead pipes
$56 billion for modernizing water systems
$100 billion for high-speed broadband
$100 billion for the electric grid and clean energy
$16 billion for putting "hundreds of thousands [of people] to work in union jobs" plugging oil and gas wells and restoring and reclaiming abandoned mines
$10 billion for a Civilian Climate Corps
Homes, schools, buildings:

$213 billion for affordable housing
$100 billion for school construction
$12 billion for community colleges
$25 billion for child care facilities
$18 billion for VA hospitals
$10 billion for federal buildings
Workforce, innovation:

$400 billion for home- or community-based care for the elderly and people with disabilities
$180 billion for research and development, including investing $50 billion in the National Science Foundation and $35 billion "to achieve technology breakthroughs that address the climate crisis"
$300 billion for manufacturing and business, including $50 billion for semiconductor research and manufacturing, $30 billion for p******c preparedness and $52 billion for domestic manufacturers
$100 billion in workforce development programs targeted at underserved groups, including $5 billion for violence prevention programs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/02/fact-check-breaking-down-spending-c****-**-relief-bill/6887487002/

The claim: '9% of the 1.9 TRILLION dollar package is going to the American people'
The American Rescue Plan – the signature initiative thus far in President Joe Biden’s tenure – has passed the U.S. House, sparking renewed debate over what exactly is in the $1.9 trillion package.

Democrats are presenting the mammoth bill as a response to the c****av***s p******c, which has claimed more than 500,000 lives and disrupted business, schooling and personal lives on every conceivable level.

Our ruling: False
We rate this claim FALSE because it is not supported by our research. There’s room for debate over exactly how much of the $1.9 trillion is related to the p******c. It's surely not all of it. But this claim bungles a widely circulating 9% stat.

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found that about 85% of the bill is related to the c****av***s p******c.

The 9% figure is actually what is going to fund direct disease containment measures such as v*****es, testing and tracing, and other public health initiatives.

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Apr 1, 2021 20:05:53   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
do you dorky trump people make this stuff up each day or do you wait for the instructions from your orange cloud??

Like everything else in your political dream, nothing you are fed is true..

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983470782/by-the-numbers-bidens-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan

President Biden this week unveiled a massive infrastructure proposal that he says would deliver a "once-in-a-generation investment" in the United States.

Here are six key numbers from the wide-ranging measure:

$2 trillion
The plan's overall estimated price tag.

13
The U.S. ranks 13th in the world in overall infrastructure, according to a World Economic Forum report in 2019. The Biden administration is using the ranking to emphasize the need to rebuild and upgrade roads, bridges and much more.

28%
The proposal would be paid for with a slew of tax increases on corporations. The main corporate tax rate would be raised to 28%, which would be about half as high as what it was before the Republican tax cuts of 2017 that lowered the rate to 21%.

15
While the plan would spend most of the one-time funding over eight years, the corporate tax changes would raise the estimated $2 trillion over 15 years.

$400 billion
infrastructure plan key provisions
White House
The proposal seeks to spend hundreds of billions on what are traditionally considered infrastructure projects, but it would do a lot more — including putting $400 billion toward expanding access to home- or community-based care for the elderly and people with disabilities.

500,000
Among the plan's investments in electric vehicles and their infrastructure are grants and incentives for public and private entities to build a network of 500,000 charging stations by 2030.

And here are some highlights from the plan's spending provisions:

T***sportation:

$174 billion in electric vehicle investments
$115 billion for bridges and roads
$20 billion to improve road safety
$85 billion for existing public t***sit
$80 billion for railways
$50 billion to improve infrastructure resilience
$25 billion for airports
$17 billion for waterways and ports of entry
$20 billion to reconnect urban neighborhoods cut off by highways

Water, Internet, electric:

$45 billion to remove lead pipes
$56 billion for modernizing water systems
$100 billion for high-speed broadband
$100 billion for the electric grid and clean energy
$16 billion for putting "hundreds of thousands [of people] to work in union jobs" plugging oil and gas wells and restoring and reclaiming abandoned mines
$10 billion for a Civilian Climate Corps
Homes, schools, buildings:

$213 billion for affordable housing
$100 billion for school construction
$12 billion for community colleges
$25 billion for child care facilities
$18 billion for VA hospitals
$10 billion for federal buildings
Workforce, innovation:

$400 billion for home- or community-based care for the elderly and people with disabilities
$180 billion for research and development, including investing $50 billion in the National Science Foundation and $35 billion "to achieve technology breakthroughs that address the climate crisis"
$300 billion for manufacturing and business, including $50 billion for semiconductor research and manufacturing, $30 billion for p******c preparedness and $52 billion for domestic manufacturers
$100 billion in workforce development programs targeted at underserved groups, including $5 billion for violence prevention programs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/02/fact-check-breaking-down-spending-c****-**-relief-bill/6887487002/

The claim: '9% of the 1.9 TRILLION dollar package is going to the American people'
The American Rescue Plan – the signature initiative thus far in President Joe Biden’s tenure – has passed the U.S. House, sparking renewed debate over what exactly is in the $1.9 trillion package.

Democrats are presenting the mammoth bill as a response to the c****av***s p******c, which has claimed more than 500,000 lives and disrupted business, schooling and personal lives on every conceivable level.

Our ruling: False
We rate this claim FALSE because it is not supported by our research. There’s room for debate over exactly how much of the $1.9 trillion is related to the p******c. It's surely not all of it. But this claim bungles a widely circulating 9% stat.

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found that about 85% of the bill is related to the c****av***s p******c.

The 9% figure is actually what is going to fund direct disease containment measures such as v*****es, testing and tracing, and other public health initiatives.
do you dorky trump people make this stuff up each ... (show quote)


Perm, using the figures you listed, which I have no reason to doubt, there is at least 118 billion included that is NOT infrastructure, even using the loosest possible definitions. Much of it is for good causes, but there is also a lot that is NOT, and should not, in any case, be included in an infrastructure bill. Doing so is typical for politicians. Furthermore, these kind of huge spending bills invariably, regardless of the party pushing them, wind up with much (if not most) going to corrupt officials and their support groups. Granted there is a lot of claims going around that are not factual (on both sides, as is usual) the simple fact is that economically, we can not afford it, and taxing the corporations and rich will do more harm than good. However, you and I will never agree with each other.
I do thank you for posting an informative breakdown.

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Apr 1, 2021 20:19:55   #
WEBCO
 
So $86 billion for union pensions counts as c***d relief?

$400 billion for cities to get out from their own spending problems is c***d relief?

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Apr 1, 2021 20:23:26   #
WEBCO
 
permafrost wrote:
do you dorky trump people make this stuff up each day or do you wait for the instructions from your orange cloud??

Like everything else in your political dream, nothing you are fed is true..

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983470782/by-the-numbers-bidens-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan

President Biden this week unveiled a massive infrastructure proposal that he says would deliver a "once-in-a-generation investment" in the United States.

Here are six key numbers from the wide-ranging measure:

$2 trillion
The plan's overall estimated price tag.

13
The U.S. ranks 13th in the world in overall infrastructure, according to a World Economic Forum report in 2019. The Biden administration is using the ranking to emphasize the need to rebuild and upgrade roads, bridges and much more.

28%
The proposal would be paid for with a slew of tax increases on corporations. The main corporate tax rate would be raised to 28%, which would be about half as high as what it was before the Republican tax cuts of 2017 that lowered the rate to 21%.

15
While the plan would spend most of the one-time funding over eight years, the corporate tax changes would raise the estimated $2 trillion over 15 years.

$400 billion
infrastructure plan key provisions
White House
The proposal seeks to spend hundreds of billions on what are traditionally considered infrastructure projects, but it would do a lot more — including putting $400 billion toward expanding access to home- or community-based care for the elderly and people with disabilities.

500,000
Among the plan's investments in electric vehicles and their infrastructure are grants and incentives for public and private entities to build a network of 500,000 charging stations by 2030.

And here are some highlights from the plan's spending provisions:

T***sportation:

$174 billion in electric vehicle investments
$115 billion for bridges and roads
$20 billion to improve road safety
$85 billion for existing public t***sit
$80 billion for railways
$50 billion to improve infrastructure resilience
$25 billion for airports
$17 billion for waterways and ports of entry
$20 billion to reconnect urban neighborhoods cut off by highways

Water, Internet, electric:

$45 billion to remove lead pipes
$56 billion for modernizing water systems
$100 billion for high-speed broadband
$100 billion for the electric grid and clean energy
$16 billion for putting "hundreds of thousands [of people] to work in union jobs" plugging oil and gas wells and restoring and reclaiming abandoned mines
$10 billion for a Civilian Climate Corps
Homes, schools, buildings:

$213 billion for affordable housing
$100 billion for school construction
$12 billion for community colleges
$25 billion for child care facilities
$18 billion for VA hospitals
$10 billion for federal buildings
Workforce, innovation:

$400 billion for home- or community-based care for the elderly and people with disabilities
$180 billion for research and development, including investing $50 billion in the National Science Foundation and $35 billion "to achieve technology breakthroughs that address the climate crisis"
$300 billion for manufacturing and business, including $50 billion for semiconductor research and manufacturing, $30 billion for p******c preparedness and $52 billion for domestic manufacturers
$100 billion in workforce development programs targeted at underserved groups, including $5 billion for violence prevention programs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/02/fact-check-breaking-down-spending-c****-**-relief-bill/6887487002/

The claim: '9% of the 1.9 TRILLION dollar package is going to the American people'
The American Rescue Plan – the signature initiative thus far in President Joe Biden’s tenure – has passed the U.S. House, sparking renewed debate over what exactly is in the $1.9 trillion package.

Democrats are presenting the mammoth bill as a response to the c****av***s p******c, which has claimed more than 500,000 lives and disrupted business, schooling and personal lives on every conceivable level.

Our ruling: False
We rate this claim FALSE because it is not supported by our research. There’s room for debate over exactly how much of the $1.9 trillion is related to the p******c. It's surely not all of it. But this claim bungles a widely circulating 9% stat.

More than 99% of the American Rescue Plan is going to Americans, though some of that falls in the category of political “pork.” An analysis by a nonpartisan group found that about 85% of the bill is related to the c****av***s p******c.

The 9% figure is actually what is going to fund direct disease containment measures such as v*****es, testing and tracing, and other public health initiatives.
do you dorky trump people make this stuff up each ... (show quote)


Looks like well over $1trillion, closer to $2 trillion in completely unrelated items to infrastructure.

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