Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

If you or someone you know is having problems dealing with depression due to a death, relationship issues or even PTSD should they be hesitant to seek counseling because it would remove their 2nd amendment right to own a gun for the rest of their life? Is this an unintended consequence of comprehensive gun control? Won't this just lead to more untreated mental illness?

jdw57 Loc: Almost Heaven

This is the intended consequence of comprehensive gun control.

They don't want to treat mental illness, it would take the major player out of the equation.

newbear Loc: New York City

To check the existing laws, the mentally ill "community" is well protected from the stigma.

But they all can purchase guns, what gives?

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

It isn't those who are being treated that's the danger, it's those that aren't.

Gatsby

As long as you hang on to your false assumptions, nothing will change.

More than one-third of the public believe that people with mental health problems are more likely to be violent.
Violent crime statistics tell a different story, though. One survey suggested that only 1% of victims of violent crime believed that the incident occurred because the offender had a mental illness. In the UK, between 50 and 70 cases of homicide a year do involve people known to have a mental health problem at the time of the crime – but these perpetrators make up a tiny minority of the 7 million people in the UK estimated to have a significant mental illness at any given time.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150723-the-myth-of-mental-illness-and-violence

Overall, 38 percent of patients made some type of healthcare visit within a week before attempting suicide. The visit came within a month before the suicide attempt in 64 percent of patients, and within a year in nearly 95 percent. The percentage of visits with mental health or substance abuse diagnoses was about 25 percent within a week, 44 percent within a month, and 73 percent within a year before the attempt.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150415112427.htm

Chaos and disruptions in medical care have had one tragic and destructive effect that no one is addressing: the deaths of more than 2,000 physicians by suicide since Obamacare was passed by means of strong-arming and bribery.

Physicians in general have a higher rate of suicide than other professional groups and the general public. Women physicians’ suicide rates are reported to be up to 400% higher than women in other professions. Male physicians’ rates are 50% to 70% higher.

Why are more physicians seeing suicide as their only option? The rising rate since the 2010 Affordable Care Act was passed points to the added regulatory and financial pressures from Obamacare as major factors:

https://physiciansnews.com/2015/05/19/physician-suicide-rates-have-climbed-since-obamacare-passed/

A December 2014 review by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) commissioned by the Subcommittee on Health of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce unearthed dismal findings about the inefficiency of our mental-health system. During a June 16 hearing on HR-2646 before the subcommittee, Representative Murphy cited the report’s key findings. “We are spending $130 billion a year over some 112 government programs and agencies that don’t work together, have little accountability, and in many cases not very good results,” he noted. It’s a painful litany of bad outcomes: 40,000 suicides last year; 10 million individuals with serious mental illness; 200,000 mentally ill who are homeless; and 1.2 million with mental illness in jails and prisons. This is all evidence, Representative Murphy said, of a “badly broken” system.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Seeking counseling for something does not equate to a legal determination of one’s mental incapacity. Or incompetency for that fact.

If one is deemed by a legally competent court of law accompanied by certification from A psychologist or psychiatrist then the incompetency issue becomes real. Until then me saying you are crazy is not enough to stop you from applying for a permit.
This matter is specifically being litigated in any number of states regarding the red f**g law.

Take for example;

The U.S. Supreme Court's landmark Heller1 and McDonald2 decisions shaped the contemporary legal understanding of gun rights in America, affirming that the Second Amendment to the Constitution confers the right for individuals to bear arms for personal protection but cautioning that the right is “not unlimited” (Ref. 1, p 626); longstanding gun prohibitions pertaining to certain categories of people, including “felons and the mentally ill” (Ref. 1, p 626; Ref. 2, p 786), remain presumptively legal. The Court thus preserved the 1968 Gun Control Act's prohibition of firearms sales to persons legally found to be dangerous or mentally “defective”3, a criterion that federal regulations and many state statutes have long defined as having a record of involuntary civil commitment or other mental-health–related adjudication.

http://jaapl.org/content/45/4/478

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-9560_e2p3.pdf

America 1 Loc: South Miami

A candidate for treatment is residing in the White House, a clear and present danger.

Army

It's another avenue there using back door of Oboma . Most people mentally ill don't commute crimes or be accused of committing a crime they haven't even done besides not being Constitutional but our government does not abide in the Constitution anymore . If our military don't turn on us they will bring in foreign troops & UN they will surround neighborhoods gangs have been on government pay row for years and drug attics and pushers. Schools are being used now to push perverted acts an have taught c*******m since Reagan was President .
There plan of population control there Reset , Green religion warship , Noahide laws an other agendas are being enacted.

Army

To psychiatrist all or mentally ill no one is sane DSM book is not based on any science or facts .

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

Calling me crazy may not stop me from applying for a permit. However calling me crazy may result in my permit, gun and ammo to be confiscated. At that time I must spend time and money I may not have to go to court to get my 2nd amendment rights restored. I have to prove my mental competence. That's not the way rights are suppose to work. One is not guilty till proven innocent.

Lets also not forget the Obama order that tried to take away 2nd amendment rights to SSI and SSDI recipients who required a representative payee for many reasons not having to do with mental illness.

As far as Heller Vs McDonald, ".....the fact that federal policy has essentially left the matter up to the states' discretion, and that 19 states and the District of Columbia have not enacted restoration procedures, invites the question of whether categorical gun restrictions predicated on historical records of mental health adjudication may infringe on the Second Amendment right when applied permanently to law-abiding citizens with mental illness, who may have long outgrown the risk factors for violence or self-harm that might have justified gun prohibition at the outset." One size never fits all.

Army

Well we know all our Government Officials are Mental Cases psychotic psychopathic K**lers narcissist not to mention Treasonous Traders on & on . Why is it the nut real criminals aways cry wolf .

woodguru

Gun control is looking to keep those with histories of domestic violence and felonies from having access to guns, those with restraining orders...giving times to make determinations and a cooling off period. This will not catch 100% but any solid percentage is worth having.

People can have problems with depression or PTSD and not be a threat...I go to the VA hospital and acknowledged to my doctor that I have been diagnosed with mild bipolar disorder...the doctor asked me if I had guns and I told him I had far more than most, he asked if I had ever had any cases of violent tendencies or gun related threats or issues, I told him never. I got home and my wife said she had gotten a call from my doctor, he wanted to know if she felt I was a threat to anyone with guns...she told him I had never made threats involving guns.

You something, those who have anger management issues, have incidents involving domestic violence, have restraining orders because someone is afraid of them because they have made threats should not have guns, or be able to buy them.

There's an awful lot of right wingers that freak out about this because that is them in a nutshell.

Army

They don't want Veterans to have guns an actually trying to pass something to put a stop to that now be same with police to an your religion matters to them to if your a Christian don't want u be cop now . See where it's going your right