EmilyD

If the symptoms of C***d are the same as the side effects of the v*****es (chills, muscle and joint pain, nausea and vomiting, fever, "flu-like symptoms" etc.)..why bother? The v*****es also compromise the natural i****e s****m in the body permanently. People should really research these things before blindly going along with what the media - which has not been honest with us for a long time - is telling us to do.

Symptoms of C***d: fever or chills; cough; shortness of breath; fatigue; muscle or body aches; headache; new loss of taste or smell; sore throat; congestion or runny nose; nausea or vomiting; diarrhea.

Side Effects of M*****a V*****e: pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, swollen lymph nodes in the same arm as the injection, nausea and vomiting, and fever.*

Side Effects of the Janssen V*****e: pain at the injection site, headache, fatigue, fever muscle aches and nausea.*

Side Effects of the P****r V*****e: pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, and fever.*

Side Effects of the Johnson & Johnson V*****e: pain at the injection site, headache, and flu-like symptoms.

*Of note, more people experienced these side effects after the second dose than after the first dose, so it is important for v******tion providers and recipients to expect that there may be some side effects after either dose, but even more so after the second dose.

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/johnson-johnson-c****-**-v*****e-side-effects-what-to-know

Carol Kelly

I’ll attest to that, all of that. Ive had both M*****a v*****es and my
Cardiologist had worse sickness than I had.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

If you have to all this question, you'll never understand the answer.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Emily, most people with concerns about the C****-** v*****e are legitimately focused on the immediate risks, i.e. pain, swelling, thrombocytopenia, cardiac arrest, anaphylaxis and Bell’s palsy. Given the large number of v*****e shots administered, most feel the risk of the v*****e is worth the reward.

But there are two 800 lb elephants in the room, that very few people are addressing, which are
1. Other allergic responses to autoimmunity, sepsis and organ failure (immune escape), and
2. The use of tumorigenic and tumor-derived cell lines in the creation of the v*****e.

As to #1 above, here are some of the "issues" that would concern me:

“In light of the information discussed above about the cross-reactivity of the SARS-CoV-2 proteins with human tissues and the possibility of either inducing autoimmunity, exacerbating already unhealthy conditions, or otherwise resulting in unforeseen consequences, it would only be prudent to do more extensive research regarding the autoimmune-inducing capacity of the SARS-CoV-2 antigens.”


“Our present study used human monoclonal antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 proteins, and we found reactivity with 28 out of 55 tested human antigens.”

“The third important question to consider is whether cross-reactivity between C****-** and human tissue can lead to autoimmune disease development either from the infection or directly from v******tion. Determining this can be an enormous task because the development of most autoimmune diseases may take 3 to 18 years (7). Segal and Shoenfeld have raised concerns for v*****e-induced autoimmunity by citing examples of how previous v******tions have induced cross-reactive autoimmunity in susceptible subgroups. They cite specific examples of how v*****e-induced cross-reactivity has led to the onset of systemic lupus erythematous, demyelinating autoimmune diseases, narcolepsy, and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome.”

Tissues Affected
The reasoning is that immune response against the v***l antigens following infection or v******tion can cross-react with human tissue antigens that share sequence homology with the v***s, resulting in autoimmune reactivity, possibly followed by outright autoimmune disease (5, 10, 19, 24, 25). Some support for this proposed mechanism for the induction of autoimmunity was presented by Lyons-Weiler (5) when he compared immunogenic epitopes of SARS-CoV-2 to human proteins and found a high degree of homology with various tissues. These included heart muscle, skeletal muscle, thyroid gland, kidney, brain, pituitary gland, testes, lung, blood, gastrointestinal tract, eye, liver, bone marrow, adipose tissue, skin, and many ubiquitous proteins.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7246018/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.617089/full

As to #2 above:

"Immortalized Cell line - The cell line in which Janssen grows its adenov***s vector is a human embryonic cell line called PER.C6. The retinal tissue that launched the cell line was obtained following the elective a******n of a healthy, 18-week-old fetus. The AstraZeneca-Oxford C***D v*****e uses a different human embryonic cell line called HEK293T to propagate its adenov***s."

To produce a continuous cell line of this type — what is called an “immortalized” cell line — scientists must artificially manipulate the original cells, which otherwise would have finite lifespans. This is accomplished by introducing chemical exposures or rendering them cancerous. Because this manipulation introduces genetic changes into the cells, “cell populations and cellular mechanisms are altered.”

A senior FDA official warned over two decades ago about the inherent risks of using continuous cell lines for v*****e development, noting that such cell lines, “by definition” have a******lities, and worriedly acknowledging their “potential for growing tumors in laboratory animals.”

An FDA document published in late 2020 shows that these issues are far from resolved; explicitly referring to cell lines such as PER.C6 and HEK293T, the FDA author states: “The use of tumorigenic and tumor-derived cells is a major safety concern” and observes that the cell lines contain “latent” or “quiet” threats that “might become active under v*****e manufacturing conditions.”

The fact sheet for healthcare providers administering the J&J C***D v*****e specifies that each dose of v*****e “may … contain residual amounts of host cell proteins … and/or host cell DNA,” but the simplified fact sheet intended for v*****e recipients and their caregivers does not.

That means that unless v*****e recipients seek out the healthcare provider fact sheet, they’ll be unaware of this potentially crucial piece of information.

"The Italian v*****e research and advocacy organization, Corvelva, which has conducted detailed studies of DNA from aborted fetal cell lines in v*****es, warns that such DNA is a******l and potentially tumor-causing. Corvelva concludes that v*****es of this type “should be considered defective and potentially dangerous to human health.”

"Along with a variety of other inactive ingredients, the J&J C***D v*****e also includes polysorbate-80, a stabilizer that studies have shown capable of t***sporting other substances across the blood-brain barrier."

The lack of long term safety trials should put both of these issues in the forefront of this discussion. This will turn out to be the largest v*****e human trial ever.

Carol Kelly

“If you have to all this question”. What is the meaning?

EmilyD

Thank you for posting that information! Very informative!!

That is a much more in-depth description of why the use of these v*****es should be questioned and thoroughly researched...and why I said in my post about symptoms vs. side effects that people should be much more diligent in educating themselves about the risks involved rather than just letting themselves be the guinea pigs! (And people don't even seem to care that there are at least four different v*****es to be questioned!)The cross-reactivity between the v***s itself and the v*****e ingredients with human tissue and the human i****e s****m, as you point out, is the basis of the main concerns I have (and people should have) of why these v*****es could be so harmful.

If there are so many "issues" and unanswered questions regarding the v*****es, coupled with the fact that there hasn't been enough time to test them fully and that the FDA has issued only an EUA rather than standard approval, that I am definitely NOT going to compromise my natural i****e s****m with any of the v*****es. The things that could potentially happen by taking the v*****e seems like more of a risk than just getting the v***s and letting my own natural i****e s****m take care of it...and stay strong enough to be able to fight future v***ses and diseases.

If we don't take control of our own bodies and what we allow to happen or not happen to them, then we will be at the mercy of mandates and laws from the government. And, in my opinion, the government does not have my best interest at heart...

Wonttakeitanymore

99.8 % survival rate for C***d! Had it praise God got over it! Don’t need it and would take my chances on not getting it rather than forcing it thru v*****e !

Jlw Loc: Wisconsin

I won't take it for the simple reason is that china joe is pushing for it. It's not that I don't trust the government it's that I don't trust the government

EmilyD

The government does not care about you or me...or anyone else. It cares about money and power. And right now the government is controlled by the Dems who want to expand and expand it... It's time to watch our own backs because no one else will!

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Jeez, even I'm confused by my typo. I think I meant "if you have all these questions, you'll never understand the answers".

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Trump recommended it, think that was his body double?

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

What about when the gov't was controlled by Republicans?

Jlw Loc: Wisconsin

I wonder how many of those shots that the politicians had were just iv solutions

Wonttakeitanymore

Do you? Understand the answer?

EmilyD

It was much smaller, and people lived their own lives. The government is not supposed to be your caretaker.... At least if you are an able-bodied, healthy individual.