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Aug 17, 2014 09:40:40   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
There is increased unrest among the poor & those left out of being a vital part of the systems that control what is going on in the world.

What is happening in the world today is wealth & power increasing in few hands.

What also is happening is the increase fear in the world by those having & seeking wealth & power. Do you believe that the build up in police forces is there to protect you. Well it is there to protect the wealth of those that have the most.

Many seek to support & aid those seeking increase wealth in the hope that they will be rewarded with what is needed for a
good life. They are selling their souls to the the Devils who on the least provocation will send them back to live with the unwashed.

Look around at all of the unrest in the world today. Most of us are left to fend with the problems with less resources & have little personal protection from the angry mobs.

It would seem that it is part of a plan that there would be enough unrest from the mobs so Marshal Law would be needed to control the masses.

There can be nothing done by those or us that see what is happening using the system we have, because of we as a Nation are so divided.

It is only in our day to day interactions with each other that we will be able to change the world around us.

We need to decide that most of us have to find support through trust & faith in each other that we can make the changes needed to turn things around. The wealthy few has almost total control over are day to day life because they control the money.

Every day in as many ways as we can we need to see that we deserve the respect & a fair return for the value we add to the system.

There is no need for most of us to more or less beg or be thank full to others to be a part of the whole. We just need to see that the part each of us plays in what goes on is a vital part of what is needed.

We need not fear each other. In fact we need not fear any others. It is us the many in the middle that truly holds the world we live in together.

For it is how we trust in each other that will give us the power that we truly possess.

It is not the personal wealth each of has that matters.

We will not be taking any thing from any one. We just need to get the true value we deserve & see that others get theirs.

There is no real need to make a lot of big changes in the system we have.

All that is needed is to be rewarded for our true value & to control our wants & needs. Seeing that there is left for others to have a chance to have what others have.

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Aug 17, 2014 10:37:10   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
There is increased unrest among the poor & those left out of being a vital part of the systems that control what is going on in the world.

What is happening in the world today is wealth & power increasing in few hands.

What also is happening is the increase fear in the world by those having & seeking wealth & power. Do you believe that the build up in police forces is there to protect you. Well it is there to protect the wealth of those that have the most.

Many seek to support & aid those seeking increase wealth in the hope that they will be rewarded with what is needed for a
good life. They are selling their souls to the the Devils who on the least provocation will send them back to live with the unwashed.

Look around at all of the unrest in the world today. Most of us are left to fend with the problems with less resources & have little personal protection from the angry mobs.

It would seem that it is part of a plan that there would be enough unrest from the mobs so Marshal Law would be needed to control the masses.

There can be nothing done by those or us that see what is happening using the system we have, because of we as a Nation are so divided.

It is only in our day to day interactions with each other that we will be able to change the world around us.

We need to decide that most of us have to find support through trust & faith in each other that we can make the changes needed to turn things around. The wealthy few has almost total control over are day to day life because they control the money.

Every day in as many ways as we can we need to see that we deserve the respect & a fair return for the value we add to the system.

There is no need for most of us to more or less beg or be thank full to others to be a part of the whole. We just need to see that the part each of us plays in what goes on is a vital part of what is needed.

We need not fear each other. In fact we need not fear any others. It is us the many in the middle that truly holds the world we live in together.

For it is how we trust in each other that will give us the power that we truly possess.

It is not the personal wealth each of has that matters.

We will not be taking any thing from any one. We just need to get the true value we deserve & see that others get theirs.

There is no real need to make a lot of big changes in the system we have.

All that is needed is to be rewarded for our true value & to control our wants & needs. Seeing that there is left for others to have a chance to have what others have.
There is increased unrest among the poor & tho... (show quote)


You are correct about the concentration of wealth. Your solution, I'll bet, lies in electing more Democrats, who are largely responsible for this situation, although Republicans are far from innocent.
Democrats unfailing solution to anything is more and more intrusive government, more regulations, more bureacrats, and more of someone else's money to throw at the problem. Bureaucrats create more problems than they solve. One bureaucracy in particular, a gift of the Jimmuh Cahtuh Administration, is responsible for far more of this mess than most people realize.
When the Department of Education was created during the mis-Administration of Cahtuh, US schoolkids were ranked in the top 5 worldwide in most academic disciplines. Now they are ranked 15th to 20th in these same subjects. Countries who used to envy us now laugh at us. George Bush and "No Child Left Behind" was another nail in the educational coffin.
Bureacracies are the traditional refuge of the inept and incompetent. Today's Department of Education, even more than most Bureaucracies is bursting at the seams with refugees. Who are our future v**ers? Young people who have no concept of civics, or how our government operates, or what is contained in the Constitution. They cannot extract a square root with pencil and paper, cannot spell without spellcheck, (and often enough, not even with it ), but whose political correctness is beyond question. They can go on forever about what is wrong with our country, while having NO IDEA about how the government, as provided by the Constitution, actually works. They wish to change laws, when they have no idea what the law they wish to change actually says. These are the products of nearly 40 years of education by bureaucracy. Que Dios nos ayude.

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Aug 17, 2014 11:20:41   #
Ve'hoe
 
Hmmm.,..... the problem with no child left behind was not the legistlation, though, it is (was) what people did with it,,

They,,,, the NEA and teachers, took the standards and requirements clause, that offered "bonuses for performance" as an opportunity to c***t,,,, altanta was the epicenter,,, and 29 teachers were indicted,,, but allowed to keep their pensions,,,

That is why NO PLAN will work, when certain people think it is OK to c***t, and when an institution like NEA then backs them up,, they betray all the good teachers, who didn't c***t...

That is the demise, of most of our legislation,, just like this debacle at the border,,, Obama is exploiting it for political gain.. not even the kids mean anything to him,,,, he wants more....
Loki wrote:
You are correct about the concentration of wealth. Your solution, I'll bet, lies in electing more Democrats, who are largely responsible for this situation, although Republicans are far from innocent.
Democrats unfailing solution to anything is more and more intrusive government, more regulations, more bureacrats, and more of someone else's money to throw at the problem. Bureaucrats create more problems than they solve. One bureaucracy in particular, a gift of the Jimmuh Cahtuh Administration, is responsible for far more of this mess than most people realize.
When the Department of Education was created during the mis-Administration of Cahtuh, US schoolkids were ranked in the top 5 worldwide in most academic disciplines. Now they are ranked 15th to 20th in these same subjects. Countries who used to envy us now laugh at us. George Bush and "No Child Left Behind" was another nail in the educational coffin.
Bureacracies are the traditional refuge of the inept and incompetent. Today's Department of Education, even more than most Bureaucracies is bursting at the seams with refugees. Who are our future v**ers? Young people who have no concept of civics, or how our government operates, or what is contained in the Constitution. They cannot extract a square root with pencil and paper, cannot spell without spellcheck, (and often enough, not even with it ), but whose political correctness is beyond question. They can go on forever about what is wrong with our country, while having NO IDEA about how the government, as provided by the Constitution, actually works. They wish to change laws, when they have no idea what the law they wish to change actually says. These are the products of nearly 40 years of education by bureaucracy. Que Dios nos ayude.
You are correct about the concentration of wealth.... (show quote)

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Aug 17, 2014 12:39:29   #
Tyster
 
Loki wrote:
You are correct about the concentration of wealth. Your solution, I'll bet, lies in electing more Democrats, who are largely responsible for this situation, although Republicans are far from innocent.
Democrats unfailing solution to anything is more and more intrusive government, more regulations, more bureacrats, and more of someone else's money to throw at the problem. Bureaucrats create more problems than they solve. One bureaucracy in particular, a gift of the Jimmuh Cahtuh Administration, is responsible for far more of this mess than most people realize.
When the Department of Education was created during the mis-Administration of Cahtuh, US schoolkids were ranked in the top 5 worldwide in most academic disciplines. Now they are ranked 15th to 20th in these same subjects. Countries who used to envy us now laugh at us. George Bush and "No Child Left Behind" was another nail in the educational coffin.
Bureacracies are the traditional refuge of the inept and incompetent. Today's Department of Education, even more than most Bureaucracies is bursting at the seams with refugees. Who are our future v**ers? Young people who have no concept of civics, or how our government operates, or what is contained in the Constitution. They cannot extract a square root with pencil and paper, cannot spell without spellcheck, (and often enough, not even with it ), but whose political correctness is beyond question. They can go on forever about what is wrong with our country, while having NO IDEA about how the government, as provided by the Constitution, actually works. They wish to change laws, when they have no idea what the law they wish to change actually says. These are the products of nearly 40 years of education by bureaucracy. Que Dios nos ayude.
You are correct about the concentration of wealth.... (show quote)



My father and I used to have the discussion about wealth concentration. He used to aver (and I agree) that if you were to take everyone's wealth away from them and evenly distribute it to everyone... within a period of time, it would coalesce into a select few's hands creating the same situation... not necessary the same hands as now, but the t***h of the situation is that some are adept to accumulating wealth while others are not.

Is it fair? Maybe not, but that is just the way life and economics work. Look at the one extreme - c*******m. The only ones who really appreciate the system are the ones that consider themselves above the norm and reward themselves accordingly. Proponents of the system believe they will be part of that elite. Do you think Obama or those in his administration advocating wealth distribution believe that someone from Ferguson, MO will have the same power of wealth that they do?

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Aug 17, 2014 15:12:51   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Tyster wrote:
My father and I used to have the discussion about wealth concentration. He used to aver (and I agree) that if you were to take everyone's wealth away from them and evenly distribute it to everyone... within a period of time, it would coalesce into a select few's hands creating the same situation... not necessary the same hands as now, but the t***h of the situation is that some are adept to accumulating wealth while others are not.

Is it fair? Maybe not, but that is just the way life and economics work. Look at the one extreme - c*******m. The only ones who really appreciate the system are the ones that consider themselves above the norm and reward themselves accordingly. Proponents of the system believe they will be part of that elite. Do you think Obama or those in his administration advocating wealth distribution believe that someone from Ferguson, MO will have the same power of wealth that they do?
My father and I used to have the discussion about ... (show quote)

Nail on head. Good lick.

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Aug 17, 2014 16:23:58   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Tyster wrote:
My father and I used to have the discussion about wealth concentration. He used to aver (and I agree) that if you were to take everyone's wealth away from them and evenly distribute it to everyone... within a period of time, it would coalesce into a select few's hands creating the same situation... not necessary the same hands as now, but the t***h of the situation is that some are adept to accumulating wealth while others are not.

Is it fair? Maybe not, but that is just the way life and economics work. Look at the one extreme - c*******m. The only ones who really appreciate the system are the ones that consider themselves above the norm and reward themselves accordingly. Proponents of the system believe they will be part of that elite. Do you think Obama or those in his administration advocating wealth distribution believe that someone from Ferguson, MO will have the same power of wealth that they do?
My father and I used to have the discussion about ... (show quote)


In answer to your question, no. However total wealth equalization is not what O or any Dem is advocating. :P :thumbup:

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Aug 17, 2014 16:49:25   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Btfkr wrote:
In answer to your question, no. However total wealth equalization is not what O or any Dem is advocating. :P :thumbup:


I don't see O or very many Dems "equalizing" their own wealth. They appear to be mostly concerned with equalizing everyone else's. Democrats, the party of other people's money. Republican Establishment, legitimate contenders for the title.

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Aug 17, 2014 17:00:45   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Loki wrote:
I don't see O or very many Dems "equalizing" their own wealth. They appear to be mostly concerned with equalizing everyone else's. Democrats, the party of other people's money. Republican Establishment, legitimate contenders for the title.



Yes, both about equal in that respect.

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Aug 17, 2014 23:34:21   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Hmmm.,..... the problem with no child left behind was not the legistlation, though, it is (was) what people did with it,,

They,,,, the NEA and teachers, took the standards and requirements clause, that offered "bonuses for performance" as an opportunity to c***t,,,, altanta was the epicenter,,, and 29 teachers were indicted,,, but allowed to keep their pensions,,,

That is why NO PLAN will work, when certain people think it is OK to c***t, and when an institution like NEA then backs them up,, they betray all the good teachers, who didn't c***t...

That is the demise, of most of our legislation,, just like this debacle at the border,,, Obama is exploiting it for political gain.. not even the kids mean anything to him,,,, he wants more....
Hmmm.,..... the problem with no child left behind ... (show quote)


Yeah, there's the law and then, the spirit of the law. Since our National spirit has been broken, no one is interested in the spirit of anything. We have seen example after example of people trying to get around the law. There are few lawyers interested in figuring out how to implement the laws, but more than plenty figuring out ways around them. So writing good legislation is pointless, someone will figure out how to screw it up.

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Aug 18, 2014 01:41:34   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yeah, there's the law and then, the spirit of the law. Since our National spirit has been broken, no one is interested in the spirit of anything. We have seen example after example of people trying to get around the law. There are few lawyers interested in figuring out how to implement the laws, but more than plenty figuring out ways around them. So writing good legislation is pointless, someone will figure out how to screw it up.


Laws all start out with what seems to be a good idea But every thing put down on paper has a different meaning to different people.

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Aug 18, 2014 07:43:53   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Laws all start out with what seems to be a good idea But every thing put down on paper has a different meaning to different people.


Especially if it's your life's work and livelihood, to figure out alternative meanings. Today's legislation tends to be overly complex, because the lawyers writing it - are trying to be more clever than those looking for loopholes.

One would almost think that the Nations welfare has become a game, for lawyers. Kind of like legal chess.

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Aug 18, 2014 08:16:35   #
Mz Eta Loc: Texas
 
Oh, I agree! We ought to go back to Education, and get the basics. Our schools are just teaching rubbish for the most part. It's more important to be present in school than to get an education.

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Aug 18, 2014 09:39:23   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Especially if it's your life's work and livelihood, to figure out alternative meanings. Today's legislation tends to be overly complex, because the lawyers writing it - are trying to be more clever than those looking for loopholes.

One would almost think that the Nations welfare has become a game, for lawyers. Kind of like legal chess.


Lets see if I can put this down & make sense to some one else.

Most who would write a Bill hoping to it being a Law writes it with their slant on it. Then others in having to v**e on it make changes on it to changing words that may make some sense in to words that leave the Bill open for different interpretation.

Or they just add what should be a Bill on its own to it as a price for their v**e

Putting this next idea down would take a bit of debate & working on but let me see if I can put down the general idea.

The biggest problem as I see it is the dealing done on getting others to v**e on each others ideas.

Now what I am advocating is each persons idea for a new rule or law should stand on it's own.

With what can be done with computers Every one can just enter their ideas for new issues.

The system should be a closed system but every thing should be open to the public.

Others v**e for it or against it or even ignore it.

Others can make changes to it and present it as a new issue.

Others v**e for it or against it or even ignore it.

If any issue don't get enough v**es in a reasonable time it is just deleted.

The thought in mind is that there would be no more adding other issues to an issue just to get personal issues into law.

I propose this as a way to end the wheeling & dealing that is going on behind closed doors.

With a open record of how each person v**es or not on any issue The public with have a better idea of just how well each person represents their v**ers.

I think that most lawmakes would be more inclined to choose the words they say to get elected much more closely.

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Aug 18, 2014 12:33:36   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Especially if it's your life's work and livelihood, to figure out alternative meanings. Today's legislation tends to be overly complex, because the lawyers writing it - are trying to be more clever than those looking for loopholes.

One would almost think that the Nations welfare has become a game, for lawyers. Kind of like legal chess.


The US, with something like 8% of the world's population, has just about 75% of the lawyers. Most congressmen were lawyers before they were politicians. The Trial Lawyers Association, which has changed it's name, is the most powerful lobby in DC because so many members of congress are members. Almost think?

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Aug 18, 2014 16:24:15   #
Neal
 
Tyster wrote:
My father and I used to have the discussion about wealth concentration. He used to aver (and I agree) that if you were to take everyone's wealth away from them and evenly distribute it to everyone... within a period of time, it would coalesce into a select few's hands creating the same situation... not necessary the same hands as now, but the t***h of the situation is that some are adept to accumulating wealth while others are not.

Is it fair? Maybe not, but that is just the way life and economics work. Look at the one extreme - c*******m. The only ones who really appreciate the system are the ones that consider themselves above the norm and reward themselves accordingly. Proponents of the system believe they will be part of that elite. Do you think Obama or those in his administration advocating wealth distribution believe that someone from Ferguson, MO will have the same power of wealth that they do?
My father and I used to have the discussion about ... (show quote)


For a more even distribution of wealth, there must be a balance of power between the haves and the havenots. This balance has shifted numerous times throughout history, sometimes in favor of the haves, and other times the havenots. One of the most impressive falls of the haves was the French revolution - should we bring back Madame Guillotine? The most recent overreach of the havenots was perhaps the series of coal strikes brought on be the overzealous union boss John L. Lewis.

The current imbalance in this country stems from several biological, economic, political and social trends. Establishment of a new balance remains improbable as long as the haves of the country maintain their currently amazing capacity to steer the opinions and beliefs of the havenots to conclusions that favor themselves.

Any takers on that one?

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