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Question for all of the 'experts' here on OPP. How much sand tar oil is being shipped via the Keystone XL?
Jan 23, 2021 17:54:47   #
factnotfiction
 
Well dim wits and feeble minds, the answer is ...NONE, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO AND ONCE AGAIN FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS... NONE!!!!!!!!

So all of your whining, crying and complaining is as useless as being a trump supporter.

The XL portion of the pipeline has never been opened, therefore the filthy, corrosive, dirty canadian pollutant known as sand tar oil is not affected. It is shipped via the original Keystone PL.

And the job loss is being greatly exaggerated, just like the size of trumps v**es or rally attendees.


But trump supporters, continue whine, cry, screech and howl at the moon if it makes you feel better.



https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline

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Jan 23, 2021 18:07:05   #
PeterS
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Well dim wits and feeble minds, the answer is ...NONE, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO AND ONCE AGAIN FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS... NONE!!!!!!!!

So all of your whining, crying and complaining is as useless as being a trump supporter.

The XL portion of the pipeline has never been opened, therefore the filthy, corrosive, dirty canadian pollutant known as sand tar oil is not affected. It is shipped via the original Keystone PL.

And the job loss is being greatly exaggerated, just like the size of trumps v**es or rally attendees.


But trump supporters, continue whine, cry, screech and howl at the moon if it makes you feel better.



https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline
Well dim wits and feeble minds, the answer is ...N... (show quote)

If not for hyperbole how would conservatives argue?

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Jan 23, 2021 18:09:27   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Well dim wits and feeble minds, the answer is ...NONE, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO AND ONCE AGAIN FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS... NONE!!!!!!!!

So all of your whining, crying and complaining is as useless as being a trump supporter.

The XL portion of the pipeline has never been opened, therefore the filthy, corrosive, dirty canadian pollutant known as sand tar oil is not affected. It is shipped via the original Keystone PL.

And the job loss is being greatly exaggerated, just like the size of trumps v**es or rally attendees.


But trump supporters, continue whine, cry, screech and howl at the moon if it makes you feel better.



https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline
Well dim wits and feeble minds, the answer is ...N... (show quote)


and that is stupid as is your whole rant,

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Jan 23, 2021 18:32:42   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Another for your reading enjoyment~~~
I love how they says only temporary job loss yet the article says cancelled???, So why are are they only temporarily lost???
Now if in effect how much growth and jobs
Would it have generated over the years??

Fact-check: Is Biden 'destroying 11,000 jobs' by revoking Keystone pipeline?

Our ruling
A Facebook post says that Biden’s executive order revoking the Keystone XL pipeline "is destroying 11,000 jobs."

That number is an estimate, and the claim lacks context about the longevity of Keystone jobs.

TC Energy said more than 1,000 people are out of work because of Biden’s executive order. In October, the company said it expected to employ more than 11,000 Americans in 2021 and generate more than $1.6 in gross wages.

But both TC Energy and the State Department have said the majority of those jobs would be temporary. A 2014 report found that the company would need only 50 employees to maintain the Keystone XL pipeline once it’s finished, 35 of them permanent.

Temporary jobs are still jobs. But this post could leave the wrong impression without full context. We rate it Half True.

Facebook post: Says that "By revoking the Keystone pipeline permit, Biden is destroying 11,000 jobs.”


PolitiFact's ruling: Half True

Here's why: President Joe Biden spent his first day in the White House signing a spate of executive orders aimed at undoing the policies of the Trump administration. One of them sparked outrage on Facebook over its effect on American jobs.

On Jan. 20, Biden signed an order that revoked the permit for the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. In a Facebook post published the same day, one user said the move would cost thousands of jobs.

"By revoking the Keystone pipeline permit, Biden is destroying 11,000 jobs and roughly $2 billion in wages," the post says. "Democrats couldn’t even get through Day 1 without k*****g jobs for middle class Americans."

The post was f**gged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

We’ve seen several similar posts offer other figures for how many jobs were lost as a result of Biden’s executive order, ranging from 12,000 to 83,000. So we wanted to take a closer look.

TC Energy Corp., the Canadian company that owns the Keystone XL pipeline with the Alberta government, has said more than 1,000 people are out of work because of Biden’s executive order. The 11,000 and $2 billion figures cited in the Facebook post are estimates published by the company, but most of the jobs would be temporary.

We reached out to the user who published the post for their evidence, but we didn’t hear back.

What Biden’s order does
The Keystone XL pipeline is an international project years in the making. Without support from the U.S. government, it’s effectively halted.

Thousands’ of lost jobs, but most are temporary
Over the past several years, we’ve fact-checked many claims that the Keystone XL pipeline would create thousands of American jobs. Several of them lack context about the duration and nature of these positions, and this Facebook post is similar.

In a Jan. 20 statement, TC Energy said Biden’s order "would directly lead to the layoff of thousands of union workers." It did not specify exactly how many jobs would be lost.

President Richard Prior told the Associated Press that the layoffs would number more than 1,000. We reached out to TC Energy for more information, but we haven’t heard back.

The 11,000 figure in the Facebook post appears to stem from an Oct. 28 press release on the pipeline’s website.

In October, TC Energy awarded contracts to six American union contractors to build the Keystone XL pipeline in three states in 2021. Those contractors were "responsible for hiring 7,000 union workers."

When combined with additional 2021 contracts to be announced later, the total number of American union workers constructing Keystone XL in 2021 will exceed 8,000 and $900 million in gross wages," the release said. "In total, Keystone XL is expected to employ more than 11,000 Americans in 2021, creating more than $1.6 billion in gross wages."

That’s close to what the State Department found in its 2014 report.

In the report, the agency wrote that 10,400 estimated positions would be for seasonal construction work lasting four to eight-month periods. Since the State Department defines "job" as "one position that is filled for 1 year," that would equate to approximately 3,900 jobs over a two-year period. <snip moreto read >

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.statesman.com/amp/6673822002

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Jan 23, 2021 18:47:28   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Then here's a Yahoo article , that I have zero belief in but put it out for all you guys that rely on them...

Bottom line more BS, more jobs lost and or that would have been growth in it and coming at a time when there are no jobs thank you c***d..

Perfect timing, just brilliant!!!

And what is the environmental threat?? Animal displaced?? Grounds contaminated?? Have they had that problem with what is already in???

With Biden k*****g the project, the company now says it will lay off about 1,000 workers. It hasn’t said how many are American and how many are Canadian, and the company didn’t answer Yahoo Finance’s questions on the matter. But construction projects were due to start this winter on elements of the pipeline in Montana, South Dakota and Nebraska. At peak construction, the project would have employed several thousand U.S. workers, jobs that will no longer materialize.

Opponents of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines hold a rally as they protest US President Donald Trump's executive orders advancing their construction, at Lafayette Park next to the White House in Washington, DC, on January 24, 2017. US President Donald Trump signed executive orders Tuesday reviving the construction of two controversial oil pipelines, but said the projects would be subject to renegotiation. / AFP / SAUL LOEB (Photo credit should read SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)
Opponents of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines hold a rally as they protest US President Donald Trump's executive orders advancing their construction, at Lafayette Park next to the White House in Washington, DC, on January 24, 2017. (SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)
The executive order revoking the XL permit didn’t say anything about the lost jobs. A White House spokesperson told Yahoo Finance, “the President recognizes the need to build infrastructure that creates good-paying union jobs, boosts the U.S. economy, is in our national interest, and advances our climate and clean energy goals. He knows how to do that. It's with the plan he ran on.”

New classes of winners and losers

The tricky part is the gap between jobs that disappear today because of political decisions, and jobs promised in the future. Political programs that create new classes of winners and losers tend to be problematic from the outset—especially if somebody has to lose before anybody wins. K*****g real jobs today for the sake of assumed jobs tomorrow creates exactly the kind of cynicism toward politicians and government that fueled Trump’s surprise win in 2016: The government tells you what’s best while curtailing your paycheck or your opportunities.

XL probably would have died under any Democratic administration, since it’s uniquely loathed by environmentalists who are a key constituency of the Democratic Party. It doesn’t help that it’s a Canadian company rather than an American one. Biden’s determination to shift aggressively toward g***n e****y is appropriate given the scale of the problem, and the XL decision to some extent is a symbolic one cementing Biden’s policy priorities.

(snip, more to it all..)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/biden-needs-to-account-for-lost-jobs-at-keystone-xl-195523730.html

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