dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

That's why I can say Merry Christmas to a stranger who is Jewish, or they can say it back to me and none of us don't get our knickers all in a wad over it. If I say Happy Birthday to someone on their birthday even though it is not my birthday, where's the harm, except to those on the left who get upset about everything.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Big Kahuna

Blah blah Boob, be careful what you post. One day you will be kneeling and confessing that Jesus Christ is Lord!! In fact, every human will be confessing this.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Don't you have anything original and new to post!? The same old memes are boring.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Bb
You think just like every small minded person I know.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

yeah And send me money. The part of the Bible that stuck with me was( and I don't know what chapter or verse. ... Or book) don't place one rock on top of another to worship me. go in your house and close your doors before your worship me.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island

Woody, I believe that you are wrong. The last 4 years you Democrats have been the nastiest people that I've ever seen in my 71 years of life. You people are just begging for a civil war. As far as faith is concerned, President Trump is much more if a Christiane than Slo Joe. If I'm correct, he has been excommunicated from the Catholic church due to his stand on a******n. Jesus doesn't like murderers and a******n is murder. Get over it. His meanness is on full display with all of the Executive orders reversing ALL of the good things that President Trump did for this great country. You Democrats want to impeach him after he is gone and you think that will heal this Nation? Think again. Remember, the civil war didn't go well for Democrats and it could be even worse the Second time. I don't want a civil war, but I am only 1 person. There are over 80 million conservatives that he and the Democrat party are messing with so anything is possible. It's not too late for you Democrats to start the hearing process but you need to start now.

Big Kahuna

If the demorats repented of their steal and Slo Joe told the t***h about his e******n f***d, the healing might begin. Until this happens, our country will not heal.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

For those that do not understand the scripture, non alien is referring to;
It says you should pray privately and not for show.

straightUp Loc: California

I think a lot of people fall into that category, but I'm not shopping for a religion. I am what you might call an agnostic... someone who doesn't make any claims about the t***h without evidence or logic to explain it. This is in direct contrast to Christians (or Muslims for that matter) who are so sure they are right and everyone else is wrong.


Let me help you understand it then... First of all, stop thinking it's a matter of personal belief. FAITH is about personal belief, RELIGION is about politics and THAT is what I am talking about when I say we don't want Christianity rammed down our throats. I am talking about Christian politics. The LAWS that Christians are pushing, like constitutional amendments to prohibit same sex marriage, have a direct impact on people who might not share the same Christian dogma.


And this is exactly the problem... The Christian is so sure that his cure is true that when the sick friend refuses the jar of l***hes, the well-intentioned Christian is offended. Also, there is a difference between a Christian offering a cure and Christian politics forcing it as a matter of law.


Again, try not to claim "faith" as a Christian reference. Faith is a human function that can be applied to ANYTHING, including one's self, the people you depend on, or ANY belief system ever conceived and as I have already stated, faith is a personal matter, so I have no intention of questioning or challenging anyone's faith, Christian or otherwise. Nor do I lack that human property just because I'm not a sworn Christian.

Keep in mind that this conversation started with Parky's post about how Biden didn't appear Christian enough for him because he didn't mention the name of Jesus Christ in his inauguration. My answer was that you don't have to publicly announce your Christian faith to have it. So how do you get that I am asking anyone to consider non-faith?



No, I don't agree (as I have explained) and you're right, I don't have to agree either.


Not that I need your permission but yes, I HAVE lived here and enjoyed this country for 57 years and I raised a family here, created business here... I can live here because I have a legal right to live here and I do so because it's my home.


I could not agree with you more. But I wonder if you don't see the Christian Right as one of those factions. Not only do I see that but I really can't think of any other factions that are as guilty of what you just described.

That argument about prayers in school for instance... Secularists are trying to stop that because it forces non-Christian students to comply with something their own religion may not tolerate. Try putting yourself in a Muslim families shoes for a moment. Or better yet, imagine your Christian child attending a school that wants to allocate time out of every single day for Muslim prayers. Would you be OK with that?

The reaction on the Christian Right is to play the victim card and say the schools aren't letting them practice their religion. But no one is telling them they can't pray at home or in their hearts. The ONLY thing the secularists are prohibiting is the forcing of religion on others. Well, if that's what practicing Christianity means, then we have a serious constitutional problem.

You can't have freedom of religion when one such religion is denying all the others. Just keep it out of public policy, that's all I ask.

BTW, thanks for the thoughtful and civil post. We might not agree on things but it's nice to talk it over.

Cuda2020

Your Biases are showing again, is that part of your Christian charity?

straightUp Loc: California

It's an interesting command. It makes me wonder if there wasn't a political need to hide their worship. Like THAT'S never happened before... LOL. It also weakens the point of the OP, that the absence of praise for Jesus in Biden's inauguration is somehow a defect in his faith.

The passage talks of monuments (rocks upon rocks to worship) and doors (to privacy) but the analogies span wide. One could call the blatant praise for Jesus, a performing monument and the demand for it an undue assault on a man who could be thanking Jesus behind the closed doors of his inner soul.

bylm1-Bernie

Thanks for you reasoned reply. None of your arguments come as a surprise to me nor are they ones I haven't heard before. You are right about faith. It is a personal thing, not subject much to logic or evidence. The evidence Christians offer is contained in the Bible as well as personal revelation, similar to what the Apostle Paul encountered as well as many others. The problem with having discussions between the two factions (those who accept the Bible and those who demand scientific proof) is transcending the barrier. The happenings described in the Bible are not above verification in history but it becomes difficult to explain some things due to the vast cultural changes that have occurred over thousands of years.

This Country was definitely established by Christians who fled from Europe to escape religious persecution. They started this Country on principles based on their beliefs and have strived to continue raising their families in adherence to those principles, even though they have not always chosen the best way. I don't think they have shown much inclination to persecute those who differ religiously from themselves. It doesn't seen that continuing to practice what they started while allowing dissidents(maybe not the best word) to co-exist, is anything close to persecution. Of course we have many examples of improper treatment of humans by other humans, not much of which can be laid at the feet of Christians. Even the Crusades, something often blamed completely on European Christians, was largely a defensive effort against the invasion of Moslems from Africa.

BTW, I wasn't trying to imply that I am giving you permission to carry on your agnosticism, I was just trying to state that I will not deter you, in any way, from either practicing or non-practicing any religion or non-religion you chose to embrace. There is much contained in the Bible beside "fantasies" as you call them, that advocate practices which lead to harmony in this life as well as hope for a life after this one. Another fantasy you say? Perhaps not! In your "non-shopping" for a religion, possibly you can hold that possibility open. At any rate, I think Christians welcome your participation with them in the current endeavor. I'm sure we all hope for a better Country.