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Jan 17, 2021 16:29:23   #
Zenbeauty Loc: Live Free or Die
 
In a civil society, we have the right to Free Speech, to v**e, to protest and to own a gun. We all share these freedoms. We don't have the right, however, to harm, injure, ridicule, or disrespect other people. So please allow me my right to point out some interesting information without the risk of any of those things because when you do that, you aren't hurting me, you're just revealing yourself to me.

Warning: This reading is sometimes dense but please do try to trudge through. You may see a reflection you recognize. So let's take a look and see how we got here. How YOU got here. Because, You, Trump Supporter, fascinate me.

Azarian discusses theory and behavior in his series, Mind in the Machine:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support

Ekins studied and found, "The Five Types of Trump V**er; Who They Are and What They Believe

https://www.v**erstudygroup.org/publication/the-five-types-trump-v**ers#conclusion

And lastly, Steve Almond writes about what economists call, savage capitalism and how Trump exploited that to win the presidency.

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2016/10/03/donald-trump-tax-return-steve-almond

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Jan 17, 2021 17:52:27   #
Radiance3
 
Zenbeauty wrote:
In a civil society, we have the right to Free Speech, to v**e, to protest and to own a gun. We all share these freedoms. We don't have the right, however, to harm, injure, ridicule, or disrespect other people. So please allow me my right to point out some interesting information without the risk of any of those things because when you do that, you aren't hurting me, you're just revealing yourself to me.

Warning: This reading is sometimes dense but please do try to trudge through. You may see a reflection you recognize. So let's take a look and see how we got here. How YOU got here. Because, You, Trump Supporter, fascinate me.

Azarian discusses theory and behavior in his series, Mind in the Machine:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support

Ekins studied and found, "The Five Types of Trump V**er; Who They Are and What They Believe

https://www.v**erstudygroup.org/publication/the-five-types-trump-v**ers#conclusion

And lastly, Steve Almond writes about what economists call, savage capitalism and how Trump exploited that to win the presidency.

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2016/10/03/donald-trump-tax-return-steve-almond
In a civil society, we have the right to Free Spee... (show quote)

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Unfortunately, I don't agree with any of the psychological analysis. Most events analyzed were based upon the past history and behavior of Donald Trump. People can change. We Christians and those who change from bad to better God welcomes them.

Comparisons of Donald Trump's current moral performance, and achievements could not be equated with that of Hillary or Obama. My basis of judgement is upon the present achievements of Trump versus the prior achievements of Clinton and Obama. Had Clinton or Obama made a difference for the betterment of the lives of people of all creed? If yes, how? But Donald did.

He elevated the b****s, Latinos, Asians, and women from the lowest status where they were before. released thousands of low level convicts, most of them were minorities. They were given job training and eventually jobs to start a new life. He brought world peace among the Arabs and the Jewish people, never done by any president before. He built border walls, to protecting the American people from the travesty of terrors, drugs, and immoralities brought upon by those people who the Pope wanted all to be assimilated in this country. Most of the American people have worked hard to pursue their life, liberty, and happiness.

Trump's capital economy, immigration, I know the Pope did not like it because the Pope wanted open borders for all people from the South and Central American countries. . The dangers it poses to this country if that has no control are massive. The drug cartels brings tons of drugs into this country to poison our youth and people. The convicts, drug addicts, and rapists have no limits and victimize the youths and adults of this country. Terrorists have no other objectives but to take over for control. But Trump wanted legal immigration. In every country there must be a law that protects its citizens. It is called sovereignty.

The president had minimized these crisis thru border walls that protected the American people. The president focuses on the welfare of interests of the American people instead of the world. He advised the world to doing the same. And the US is still committed to helping the helpless of the world thru the USAID, and various charities government , religious, and private industries. America does that all the time.

The analysis of this psychologist did not consider the changes and present achievements of president Trump. He was talking about him of the prior Donald Trump. He has changed. All Christians Pastors, advisors could guarantee that. He has been with the public service for 4 years, and had done to much that protect and advance the lives of the American people.

The past is over, and if we keep on repeating that over and over as a basis to judging Trump. If that is the case, anybody could never change, no matter what they do to be better. But morally and ethically, and e******y, Donald Trump has changed. And God knows that. Even God forgives the worst sinners when they repent.

Matthew 4:17 ESV / 11 helpful v**es Helpful Not Helpful
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Proverbs 28:13
You will never succeed in life if you try to hide your sins. Confess them and give them up; then God will show mercy to you.


I am a Christian and I believe God is more powerful above all than any human being no matter how many PhD degrees they got.

Of course psychologist don't believe in God, they think they are the best to judge people.
Those analysis are biased. Never in history, psychologists have material effects to lives of people in general. Their works must be more applicable in mental institutions. This Psychologist had concluded that the 75 plus millions of Americans who support Trump are radicals and no good.


And those who support Hillary, Biden, and Obama are the right ones? According to this Psychologist with PhD degree.

Unfortunately, I don't agree with the Psychologist. This Psychologist allowed the Biden democrat socialist to steal the Trump v**es, Nothing wrong were mentioned about the immoralities of the left. D********g.

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Jan 17, 2021 18:31:30   #
Zenbeauty Loc: Live Free or Die
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Unfortunately, I don't agree with any of the psychological analysis. Most events analyzed were based upon the past history and behavior of Donald Trump. People can change. We Christians and those who change from bad to better God welcomes them.

Comparisons of Donald Trump's current moral performance, and achievements could not be equated with that of Hillary or Obama. My basis of judgement is upon the present achievements of Trump versus the present achievements of Clinton and Obama. Had Clinton or Obama made a difference for the betterment of the lives of people of all creed? If yes, how? But Donald did.

He elevated the b****s, Latinos, Asians, and women from the lowest status where they were before. released thousands of low level convicts, most of them are b****s. they were given job training and eventually jobs to start a new life. He brought world peace among the Arabs and the Jewish people, never done by any president before. He built border walls, to protecting the American people from the travesty of terrors, drugs, and immoralities brought upon by those people who the Pope wanted all to be assimilated in this country. Most of the American people have worked hard to pursue their life, liberty, and happiness.

Trump's capital economy, immigration, I know the Pope did not like it because the Pope wanted open borders for all people from the South and Central American countries. . The dangers it poses to this country if that has no control are massive. The drug cartels brings tons of drugs into this country to poison our youth and people. The convicts, drug addicts, and rapists have no limits and victimize the youths and adults of this country. Terrorists have no other objectives but to take over for control. But Trump wanted legal immigration. In every country there must be a law that protects its citizens. It is called sovereignty.

The president had minimized these crisis thru border walls that protected the American people. The president focuses on the welfare of interests of the American people instead of the world. He advised the world to doing the same. And the US is still committed to helping the helpless of the world thru the USAID, and various charities government , religious, and private industries. America does that all the time.

The analysis of this psychologist did not consider the changes and present achievements of president Trump. He was talking about him of the prior Donald Trump. He has changed. All Christians Pastors, advisors could guarantee that. He has been with the public service for 4 years, and had done to much that protect and advance the lives of the American people.

The past is over, and if we keep on repeating that over and over as a basis to judge him. If that is the case, anybody could never change no matter what they do for the better. But morally and ethically, Donald Trump has changed. And God knows that. Even God forgives the worst sinners when they repent.

Matthew 4:17 ESV / 11 helpful v**es Helpful Not Helpful
From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Proverbs 28:13
You will never succeed in life if you try to hide your sins. Confess them and give them up; then God will show mercy to you.


I am a Christian and I believe God is more powerful, when it comes to judgement, than any human being no matter how many PhD degrees they got.

Of course psychologist don't believe in God, they think they are the best to judge people.
Those analysis are biased. Never in history, psychologists have material effects to lives of people in general. Their works must be more applicable in mental hospitals. This Psychologist thinks that the 75 plus millions of Americans who support Trump are radicals and no good.

And those who support Hillary, Biden, and Obama are the right ones? According to this Psychologist with PhD degree.

Unfortunately, I don't agree with him.
================ br i Unfortunately, I don't agr... (show quote)


The beauty of the great American experiment is that we all get to disagree. We all get to believe what we want to believe and live in a peaceful country. We have the right to worship the God we chose without fear. The problem is that when the beliefs that some Americans have put the lives of their fellow Americans in danger we have to say that's wrong and is against the law. The President has many admirers who are good Americans. It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are giving the others a bad name. I agree that God will judge us all. It's up to good Americans to get our country back on track. Back to being civil and kind regardless of our differences.

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Jan 17, 2021 19:05:51   #
Radiance3
 
Zenbeauty wrote:
The beauty of the great American experiment is that we all get to disagree. We all get to believe what we want to believe and live in a peaceful country. We have the right to worship the God we chose without fear. The problem is that when the beliefs that some Americans have put the lives of their fellow Americans in danger we have to say that's wrong and is against the law. The President has many admirers who are good Americans. It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are giving the others a bad name. I agree that God will judge us all. It's up to good Americans to get our country back on track. Back to being civil and kind regardless of our differences.
The beauty of the great American experiment is tha... (show quote)

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I notice that you are new. Welcome by the way. I hope you stay and enjoy your rhetoric.
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I disagree with the r**ts. But blaming all the supporters of president Trump was wrong. There were a number of B*M's and A****AS who were caught and arrested. There are some of the MAGA supporters who entered and followed. Perhaps because of their frustration that they were disenfranchised in the e******n process. When it was massively proven that their v**es were stolen. All kinds of evidences have proven that including Sworn testimonies of Witnesses. These Witnesses are not ordinary people. they high level credentials capable of providing credible statements.

All those incidences were blamed to president Trump. I listened to his original message. While he was speaking to the audience at the DC, the r**ts had already begun at the Capitol. He advised his people to be peaceful, to demonstrate their constitutional rights of freedom.
It turned out that violence was already going on at the Capitol. There were infiltrations of the radicals I am not sure if that was planned out.

Everything that happened have been blamed to the president. A double standard? Yes, cause several r**ts and mayhem have been conducted by the LEFT, the B*M'S and A****AS on several cities and states. Burning of cities. At least 100 cops k**led and 2000 injured. None of the democrat leaders attempted to stop them. In fact Kamala did a fund raising to release those caught by the law enforcement. Kamala had advised them to continue their crimes until the get what they demanded.

That is a travesty of justice.
The president had suffered enough for the injustices, and fabricated events done to him since 2016 preventing him from holding public office. And now to finally and completely prevent him from holding any public office in the future? I think it is wrong.

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Jan 17, 2021 19:12:58   #
woodguru
 
[quote=Radiance3]================
[i] Unfortunately, I don't agree with any of the psychological analysis. Most events analyzed were based upon the past history and behavior of Donald Trump. People can change. We Christians and those who change from bad to better God welcomes them.
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You aren't supposed to be going from bad to despicable, the right is an exercise in bad to evil

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Jan 17, 2021 20:03:07   #
Radiance3
 
woodguru wrote:
You aren't supposed to be going from bad to despicable, the right is an exercise in bad to evil

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So you are now speaking evil? I have written and discussed facts, And you call it despicable. therefore you are not capable of providing credible statements but from your own mental set without facts to support. I regret talking to you. Please end talking to me.

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Jan 17, 2021 20:03:57   #
Zenbeauty Loc: Live Free or Die
 
woodguru wrote:
You aren't supposed to be going from bad to despicable, the right is an exercise in bad to evil


Perhaps. The health of our democratic republic depends on each American's active participation. It is our civic duty as free individuals to retain the right to enjoy our own unique pursuits of happiness. When a large amount of our population operates from a mindset that "things just aren't fair", ok, fight to make them fair and quit whining. There is no room in a democratic republic for a nation of narcissists. No, you can't be a vigilante and then post it on FB. You will end up in jail for breaking the law. You will not be a martyr or a hero, you will have a criminal record. And that's not smart. This is America, you know, the place where you can reinvent yourself? If you're not happy, run for office. Or better yet, start a third political party. That should keep you out of trouble for a while. Now's a good time to think about that. Here's your second chance.

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Jan 17, 2021 20:04:52   #
Radiance3
 
Zenbeauty wrote:
The beauty of the great American experiment is that we all get to disagree. We all get to believe what we want to believe and live in a peaceful country. We have the right to worship the God we chose without fear. The problem is that when the beliefs that some Americans have put the lives of their fellow Americans in danger we have to say that's wrong and is against the law. The President has many admirers who are good Americans. It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are giving the others a bad name. I agree that God will judge us all. It's up to good Americans to get our country back on track. Back to being civil and kind regardless of our differences.
The beauty of the great American experiment is tha... (show quote)


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I agree with that. That is the way how it should be. The pros and cons of the subject matter, must be discussed but not attacking the person involved.

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Jan 17, 2021 21:41:24   #
Radiance3
 
Zenbeauty wrote:
Perhaps. The health of our democratic republic depends on each American's active participation. It is our civic duty as free individuals to retain the right to enjoy our own unique pursuits of happiness. When a large amount of our population operates from a mindset that "things just aren't fair", ok, fight to make them fair and quit whining. There is no room in a democratic republic for a nation of narcissists. No, you can't be a vigilante and then post it on FB. You will end up in jail for breaking the law. You will not be a martyr or a hero, you will have a criminal record. And that's not smart. This is America, you know, the place where you can reinvent yourself? If you're not happy, run for office. Or better yet, start a third political party. That should keep you out of trouble for a while. Now's a good time to think about that. Here's your second chance.
Perhaps. The health of our democratic republic de... (show quote)

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It used to be our freedom is functional. The constitution was properly applied. Not anymore. Our freedom of speech is gone.

I noticed that since 2016, there were several brake downs of our constitutional system until at present. Great example of this is Donald Trump, denied of justice.

Starting from the beginning he was already blocked from joining the political establishment.
During his p**********l campaign. that started in 2016. Series of fabricated events applied to him. the Dossier/FISA warrant were all falsified to prevent him. The all fabricated events followed the 22 months Russia h**x investigations. Used the federal agencies as weapons against him. Yes we taxpayers paid $40 million for that h**x investigation. That was the ObamaGate now under review by Durham. No report has been released yet for 2 years. Final report by Mueller found no wrong by Trump. There was nothing to find.

Not satisfied Congress launched an impeachment trial accused Trump of obstruction of Congress, and abuse of power. None among that qualified as impeachable offense.
Impeachment are for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The proceeding was done at a locked basement of the Capitol bldg. GOP's were not allowed to participate. Pelosi, Nadler and Schiff finalized the charges. Waited a month then brought to the Senate for trial. Senate did not convict for lack of impeachable offense.

Not satisfied, Congress again brought charges on Trump requiring him disclosures of all his tax records. Still that is a violation of a citizens right for privacy of their tax records.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103.

The LEFT have not been successful as Donald continue to be president. Then finally when Donald run for re-e******n in 2020, this was planned by the left how they will prevent him from winning, Massive e******n f***d were designed, policies and procedures changed in many states, using the C***d19 v***s to justify mail in b****ts where millions if v**es been found dishonestly counted for Biden, late mail in b****ts counted, D******n machines used, and foreign counties involved the stealing the v**es from Trump to Biden. These countries were Italy, Spain, Germany, Canada, and others. Here are some reports of the events how and where it happened.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e80e0d236405d1c7b8eaec9/t/5ffa520f4decc1290602472c/1610240545073/BREAKING+Super+Computer++Military+in+Italy+altered+the+e******n+results+in+17+States

https://lacrunadellago.net/2021/01/07/italygate-part-ii-obama-and-renzi-accused-of-being-the-masterminds-of-the-us-e*******l-fraud/?lang=en

Despite all the massive evidence found and presented to the SC, the SC will not even check the evidences and just dismissed the case and allow the C*******t DIMS to deny his rights of due process. Then the e******n was decided win for Joe Biden.

The more than 75 million v**es of Trump were disenfranchised and not given the due process by the court who is right or wrong. Our 3rd branch of government does not function at
present.

I think had the SC rendered its verdict who was right or wrong or reviewed the massive fraud presented, the Capitol mayhem could not have happened. Decision should have ended at the SC. Based on massive evidences it appeared that Donald Trump had won the 2020 e******n.

The Gore and George W Bush conflict in 2000, the SC decided.

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Jan 17, 2021 23:26:16   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Zenbeauty wrote:
The beauty of the great American experiment is that we all get to disagree. We all get to believe what we want to believe and live in a peaceful country. We have the right to worship the God we chose without fear. The problem is that when the beliefs that some Americans have put the lives of their fellow Americans in danger we have to say that's wrong and is against the law. The President has many admirers who are good Americans. It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are giving the others a bad name. I agree that God will judge us all. It's up to good Americans to get our country back on track. Back to being civil and kind regardless of our differences.
The beauty of the great American experiment is tha... (show quote)


***It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are giving the others a bad name.
>>>And that has been all summer long, a parade of Democrats of various stripes, especially A****a and the Marxist B*M. And suddenly their is a r**t at the Capital building and everyone wants to blame Trump because he was at a rally a mile and a half away, speaking of protesting peacefully and protesting what was happening in Congress to fortify and finalize the steal of an e******n. That r**t was planned by unsavory characters far in advance and more arrests are starting to prove it. Trump offered increased protection of the Capital and it was refused across the board. The Republicans complained about the r**ts since last summer and condemned them. The democrats were silent and even Governors and Mayors virtually approved of many of the aspects of the r**ts and condoned them. There very existence without any real efforts by the Mayors and Governors encouraged future r**ts and it finally exploded at the Capital. Trump offered to help in suppressing these r**ts and was turned down. And all along the Democrats didn't condemn the r**ts.
Got it now cupcake.

Logically Right

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Jan 17, 2021 23:29:38   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
You aren't supposed to be going from bad to despicable, the right is an exercise in bad to evil


***You aren't supposed to be going from bad to despicable, the right is an exercise in bad to evil
>>>But some how you keep trying.

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Jan 17, 2021 23:43:18   #
Radiance3
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are giving the others a bad name.
>>>And that has been all summer long, a parade of Democrats of various stripes, especially A****a and the Marxist B*M. And suddenly their is a r**t at the Capital building and everyone wants to blame Trump because he was at a rally a mile and a half away, speaking of protesting peacefully and protesting what was happening in Congress to fortify and finalize the steal of an e******n. That r**t was planned by unsavory characters far in advance and more arrests are starting to prove it. Trump offered increased protection of the Capital and it was refused across the board. The Republicans complained about the r**ts since last summer and condemned them. The democrats were silent and even Governors and Mayors virtually approved of many of the aspects of the r**ts and condoned them. There very existence without any real efforts by the Mayors and Governors encouraged future r**ts and it finally exploded at the Capital. Trump offered to help in suppressing these r**ts and was turned down. And all along the Democrats didn't condemn the r**ts.
Got it now cupcake.

Logically Right
***It's the ones who caused the r**ts who are givi... (show quote)

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Do you think this was pre-planned by Obama? Knowing that there will be so many Trump supporters who will rally at the Capitol on J** 6th.

The e******n f***d was also planned and designed to commit fraud. Similarly to the Mueller Russia h**x, and the 1st impeachment h**x. All were pre-planned to blame Trump. The innocent Trump convicted to prevent him to having any public office. The Capitol mayhem was pre-planned. The smashing of doors of the Capitol building are the expertise of A****AS, as we've seen in many violence and mayhem they've done prior months.

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Jan 18, 2021 00:53:12   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Do you think this was pre-planned by Obama? Knowing that there will be so many Trump supporters who will rally at the Capitol on J** 6th.

The e******n f***d was also planned and designed to commit fraud. Similarly to the Mueller Russia h**x, and the 1st impeachment h**x. All were pre-planned to blame Trump. The innocent Trump convicted to prevent him to having any public office. The Capitol mayhem was pre-planned. The smashing of doors of the Capitol building are the expertise of A****AS, as we've seen in many violence and mayhem they've done prior months.
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I personally have no knowledge of this at this time. But I have seen enough tidbits over the last four years that the accusations against Trump in 2016/17 were orchestrated within the obama administration. I believe that he was truly in charge of wh**ever happened in his administration. He was a trained community organizer and organized things, whether by in person direction or hinting that that particular action might be a good idea. I don't believe he went into complete isolation and still might/possibly/probably be pulling strings behind the scenes. He thinks he is just to perfect to just disappear. He had a vision for America, that I believe is un-American, and he wasn't able to completely fulfill it. He will be talking to Biden and Biden will be listening. I wouldn't trust obama to shine my shoes. I wouldn't trust obama to pull gum off of the bottom of my shoes. I wouldn't trust obama........So, yes, I think that obama is consulted or calls in instructions or has aids relay thoughts or directions. Just my opinion of the slime ball.
While not verified, I believe my opinions are
Logically Right

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Jan 18, 2021 04:08:36   #
Radiance3
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I personally have no knowledge of this at this time. But I have seen enough tidbits over the last four years that the accusations against Trump in 2016/17 were orchestrated within the obama administration. I believe that he was truly in charge of wh**ever happened in his administration. He was a trained community organizer and organized things, whether by in person direction or hinting that that particular action might be a good idea. I don't believe he went into complete isolation and still might/possibly/probably be pulling strings behind the scenes. He thinks he is just to perfect to just disappear. He had a vision for America, that I believe is un-American, and he wasn't able to completely fulfill it. He will be talking to Biden and Biden will be listening. I wouldn't trust obama to shine my shoes. I wouldn't trust obama to pull gum off of the bottom of my shoes. I wouldn't trust obama........So, yes, I think that obama is consulted or calls in instructions or has aids relay thoughts or directions. Just my opinion of the slime ball.
While not verified, I believe my opinions are
Logically Right
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I think BO was the master mind on these cases. He was involved in the foreign e******n intervention. E.G. that one in Italy with the Italian PM paid of lots of money of Soros.
My question now is where is the Supreme Court? This is truly sad that this is happening in our country. to be honest I can't help it but cry. I am well aware the president has been grossly violated. No human being could endure that.

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Jan 18, 2021 08:26:50   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Zenbeauty wrote:
In a civil society, we have the right to Free Speech, to v**e, to protest and to own a gun. We all share these freedoms. We don't have the right, however, to harm, injure, ridicule, or disrespect other people. So please allow me my right to point out some interesting information without the risk of any of those things because when you do that, you aren't hurting me, you're just revealing yourself to me.

Warning: This reading is sometimes dense but please do try to trudge through. You may see a reflection you recognize. So let's take a look and see how we got here. How YOU got here. Because, You, Trump Supporter, fascinate me.

Azarian discusses theory and behavior in his series, Mind in the Machine:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support

Ekins studied and found, "The Five Types of Trump V**er; Who They Are and What They Believe

https://www.v**erstudygroup.org/publication/the-five-types-trump-v**ers#conclusion

And lastly, Steve Almond writes about what economists call, savage capitalism and how Trump exploited that to win the presidency.

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2016/10/03/donald-trump-tax-return-steve-almond
In a civil society, we have the right to Free Spee... (show quote)


Excellent post.
It’s exactly what I’ve been saying about Trump stars.
They’re
Sweet
Gullible
Ewes!!!!

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