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Would You Say Defending The Capital Automatically Demanded The Use Of Deadly Force At Breach Points?
Jan 13, 2021 13:08:35   #
woodguru
 
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk is deadly serious...defending the top key members of government that were convened in one place. That place has to be defended and protected by security police that are willing to defend it with their lives, as well as willingly know when it is time to take the lives of those that threaten to overrun and breach security.

It doesn't make any difference who is trying to take over the capital, why would it make any difference? A****a, B*M, right wing militants, patriotic trump supporters...it's all the same thing, no difference, not a one of these groups get any free pass or special consideration.

Lines have to be drawn on when those defending a building have clear mandates for using deadly force. No, you don't start shooting into a crowd, there is a point where the mob's intent becomes the place where they get stopped with deadly force. Entrances, windows, points of entry are the choke points that are most easily and best defended. The steps were being overrun, cops were being attacked, when a mob starts pulling a cop down and beating him, those other cops had every right to shoot as many people as it took to defend their fellow officer and get the breathing space to withdraw into the building and close the doors behind them. Angry people pushing the doors and keeping them from being closed? Five guys shooting into those holding and pushing the doors takes care of that crap.

Windows being crashed cannot be allowed, holes in the windows could allow explosive devices to be thrown in on those defending that door, whoever is trying to breach that needs to be decisively stopped. Watching someone get shot serves as a very effective deterrent to the ones behind them, most people are not willing to step into where they will get shot.

There were too many struggles with crowds pushing a dozen cops that were outnumbered and couldn't hold them back, and I do not understand why there was any hesitation to draw their weapons and cut loose on those doing the pushing and fighting. Those cops have guns for a reason, and they were not using them where they needed to be used for what they have them for. A gun is worthless if you won't use it when it needs to be used.

We saw a video of a single cop trying to hold off a mob, he kept turning and running a few steps and turning to stand his ground with a baton wand, he had a gun, it should have been in his hand as he told them to stop, and one step results in one dead person, if they refuse to back up, more dead until the message gets through and you get help. In fact the bottom line is that anyone in the building trying to get to even more sensitive areas where senators and representatives are would not require warnings at all, the case could be made for dropping them.

In the eyes of those whose jobs it was to defend that building and our nation's top people these were potentially armed and 100% dangerous people that needed to be stopped with extreme force. There were many screaming hang Mike Pence, that isn't reason to k**l as many as it took to contain the situation?

Anyone trying to defend these people and say deadly force should not have been used is part of the problem. Those Glocks hold 17 shots for a reason, and that is so someone who is being overrun can k**l as many people as it takes to stop them one way or another. In a hallway or door choke point the cop with a gun has a huge advantage.

Lesson was learned about how serious these trump supporters who want to o*******w the government, those defending government will not be so slow to respond with the appropriate deadly force.

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Jan 13, 2021 13:19:24   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk is deadly serious...defending the top key members of government that were convened in one place. That place has to be defended and protected by security police that are willing to defend it with their lives, as well as willingly know when it is time to take the lives of those that threaten to overrun and breach security.

It doesn't make any difference who is trying to take over the capital, why would it make any difference? A****a, B*M, right wing militants, patriotic trump supporters...it's all the same thing, no difference, not a one of these groups get any free pass or special consideration.

Lines have to be drawn on when those defending a building have clear mandates for using deadly force. No, you don't start shooting into a crowd, there is a point where the mob's intent becomes the place where they get stopped with deadly force. Entrances, windows, points of entry are the choke points that are most easily and best defended. The steps were being overrun, cops were being attacked, when a mob starts pulling a cop down and beating him, those other cops had every right to shoot as many people as it took to defend their fellow officer and get the breathing space to withdraw into the building and close the doors behind them. Angry people pushing the doors and keeping them from being closed? Five guys shooting into those holding and pushing the doors takes care of that crap.

Windows being crashed cannot be allowed, holes in the windows could allow explosive devices to be thrown in on those defending that door, whoever is trying to breach that needs to be decisively stopped. Watching someone get shot serves as a very effective deterrent to the ones behind them, most people are not willing to step into where they will get shot.

There were too many struggles with crowds pushing a dozen cops that were outnumbered and couldn't hold them back, and I do not understand why there was any hesitation to draw their weapons and cut loose on those doing the pushing and fighting. Those cops have guns for a reason, and they were not using them where they needed to be used for what they have them for. A gun is worthless if you won't use it when it needs to be used.

We saw a video of a single cop trying to hold off a mob, he kept turning and running a few steps and turning to stand his ground with a baton wand, he had a gun, it should have been in his hand as he told them to stop, and one step results in one dead person, if they refuse to back up, more dead until the message gets through and you get help. In fact the bottom line is that anyone in the building trying to get to even more sensitive areas where senators and representatives are would not require warnings at all, the case could be made for dropping them.

In the eyes of those whose jobs it was to defend that building and our nation's top people these were potentially armed and 100% dangerous people that needed to be stopped with extreme force. There were many screaming hang Mike Pence, that isn't reason to k**l as many as it took to contain the situation?

Anyone trying to defend these people and say deadly force should not have been used is part of the problem. Those Glocks hold 17 shots for a reason, and that is so someone who is being overrun can k**l as many people as it takes to stop them one way or another. In a hallway or door choke point the cop with a gun has a huge advantage.

Lesson was learned about how serious these trump supporters who want to o*******w the government, those defending government will not be so slow to respond with the appropriate deadly force.
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk ... (show quote)




Yep, shoulda started that shooting when federal buildings were being taken over. .. oh s**t, i forgot that was a peaceful protest by a bunch of g****rless lefties.

The lesson learned needs to also be learned by folks such as yourself........ finally our elected officials have an understanding they are not out of reach, and in true coward fashion ran like scalded dogs...... keep running your suck loke you do and you yourself may get to experience the same fear they did..... and like them, you will cower and run just the same.

Keep tossing the gas, your victim status is well noted.

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Jan 13, 2021 13:55:53   #
DaWg44
 
WG, you should volunteer to protect The Capital. You are getting pretty vocal about shooting people. Maybe you need to get some targets made from pictures on You Tube and start practicing which ones to shoot before you get to DC. You could save taxpayers some big money. C*****l p****e have $500,000,000.00 budget to keep 2.5 acres secure. You could set up on top of the Capital & only charge $250,000,000.00. You probably don’t need extreme long range paraphernalia, can’t see you needing to be deadeye accurate past 1/2 mile.

I would suggest a high boy sprayer but I don’t know of any poison that can discriminate between elected & non-elected scum & if you screwed up an sprayed an elected one, you might lose you job.

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Jan 13, 2021 14:06:39   #
woodguru
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
and like them, you will cower and run just the same.

Keep tossing the gas, your victim status is well noted.


Says someone from the party of poor victimized pansies, I can't wear a mask, I can't breath, my freedoms are being trampled, whah, they are persecuting christians, they stole the v**e...whaaaah

Watch the videos of brave patriotic defenders of freedom being d**gged off in airports, it takes gay parodies to do them justice, crying like little babies...they are putting us on no fly lists, whaaah, we're losing our jobs, double whaaah.

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Jan 13, 2021 14:09:45   #
woodguru
 
DaWg44 wrote:
WG, you should volunteer to protect The Capital. You are getting pretty vocal about shooting people. Maybe you need to get some targets made from pictures on You Tube and start practicing which ones to shoot before you get to DC. You could save taxpayers some big money. C*****l p****e have $500,000,000.00 budget to keep 2.5 acres secure. You could set up on top of the Capital & only charge $250,000,000.00. You probably don’t need extreme long range paraphernalia, can’t see you needing to be deadeye accurate past 1/2 mile.

I would suggest a high boy sprayer but I don’t know of any poison that can discriminate between elected & non-elected scum & if you screwed up an sprayed an elected one, you might lose you job.
WG, you should volunteer to protect The Capital. Y... (show quote)


I know the mobs that were seen fighting and pushing into doorways would have been effectively stopped when a few got shot, the question was, was that warranted? It was, and I can guarantee you that is exactly what will happen if there is a next time

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Jan 13, 2021 14:27:48   #
Michael10
 
The way I see it, anyone who walked in the door was there to subvert Democracy, all bets are offshoot every one of them if necessary

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Jan 13, 2021 16:19:50   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
woodguru wrote:
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk is deadly serious...defending the top key members of government that were convened in one place. That place has to be defended and protected by security police that are willing to defend it with their lives, as well as willingly know when it is time to take the lives of those that threaten to overrun and breach security.

It doesn't make any difference who is trying to take over the capital, why would it make any difference? A****a, B*M, right wing militants, patriotic trump supporters...it's all the same thing, no difference, not a one of these groups get any free pass or special consideration.

Lines have to be drawn on when those defending a building have clear mandates for using deadly force. No, you don't start shooting into a crowd, there is a point where the mob's intent becomes the place where they get stopped with deadly force. Entrances, windows, points of entry are the choke points that are most easily and best defended. The steps were being overrun, cops were being attacked, when a mob starts pulling a cop down and beating him, those other cops had every right to shoot as many people as it took to defend their fellow officer and get the breathing space to withdraw into the building and close the doors behind them. Angry people pushing the doors and keeping them from being closed? Five guys shooting into those holding and pushing the doors takes care of that crap.

Windows being crashed cannot be allowed, holes in the windows could allow explosive devices to be thrown in on those defending that door, whoever is trying to breach that needs to be decisively stopped. Watching someone get shot serves as a very effective deterrent to the ones behind them, most people are not willing to step into where they will get shot.

There were too many struggles with crowds pushing a dozen cops that were outnumbered and couldn't hold them back, and I do not understand why there was any hesitation to draw their weapons and cut loose on those doing the pushing and fighting. Those cops have guns for a reason, and they were not using them where they needed to be used for what they have them for. A gun is worthless if you won't use it when it needs to be used.

We saw a video of a single cop trying to hold off a mob, he kept turning and running a few steps and turning to stand his ground with a baton wand, he had a gun, it should have been in his hand as he told them to stop, and one step results in one dead person, if they refuse to back up, more dead until the message gets through and you get help. In fact the bottom line is that anyone in the building trying to get to even more sensitive areas where senators and representatives are would not require warnings at all, the case could be made for dropping them.

In the eyes of those whose jobs it was to defend that building and our nation's top people these were potentially armed and 100% dangerous people that needed to be stopped with extreme force. There were many screaming hang Mike Pence, that isn't reason to k**l as many as it took to contain the situation?

Anyone trying to defend these people and say deadly force should not have been used is part of the problem. Those Glocks hold 17 shots for a reason, and that is so someone who is being overrun can k**l as many people as it takes to stop them one way or another. In a hallway or door choke point the cop with a gun has a huge advantage.

Lesson was learned about how serious these trump supporters who want to o*******w the government, those defending government will not be so slow to respond with the appropriate deadly force.
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk ... (show quote)


I can't figure out why Capitol cops didn't have rubber bullets and beanbag shotguns.

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Jan 13, 2021 18:06:45   #
PeterS
 
woodguru wrote:
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk is deadly serious...defending the top key members of government that were convened in one place. That place has to be defended and protected by security police that are willing to defend it with their lives, as well as willingly know when it is time to take the lives of those that threaten to overrun and breach security.

It doesn't make any difference who is trying to take over the capital, why would it make any difference? A****a, B*M, right wing militants, patriotic trump supporters...it's all the same thing, no difference, not a one of these groups get any free pass or special consideration.

Lines have to be drawn on when those defending a building have clear mandates for using deadly force. No, you don't start shooting into a crowd, there is a point where the mob's intent becomes the place where they get stopped with deadly force. Entrances, windows, points of entry are the choke points that are most easily and best defended. The steps were being overrun, cops were being attacked, when a mob starts pulling a cop down and beating him, those other cops had every right to shoot as many people as it took to defend their fellow officer and get the breathing space to withdraw into the building and close the doors behind them. Angry people pushing the doors and keeping them from being closed? Five guys shooting into those holding and pushing the doors takes care of that crap.

Windows being crashed cannot be allowed, holes in the windows could allow explosive devices to be thrown in on those defending that door, whoever is trying to breach that needs to be decisively stopped. Watching someone get shot serves as a very effective deterrent to the ones behind them, most people are not willing to step into where they will get shot.

There were too many struggles with crowds pushing a dozen cops that were outnumbered and couldn't hold them back, and I do not understand why there was any hesitation to draw their weapons and cut loose on those doing the pushing and fighting. Those cops have guns for a reason, and they were not using them where they needed to be used for what they have them for. A gun is worthless if you won't use it when it needs to be used.

We saw a video of a single cop trying to hold off a mob, he kept turning and running a few steps and turning to stand his ground with a baton wand, he had a gun, it should have been in his hand as he told them to stop, and one step results in one dead person, if they refuse to back up, more dead until the message gets through and you get help. In fact the bottom line is that anyone in the building trying to get to even more sensitive areas where senators and representatives are would not require warnings at all, the case could be made for dropping them.

In the eyes of those whose jobs it was to defend that building and our nation's top people these were potentially armed and 100% dangerous people that needed to be stopped with extreme force. There were many screaming hang Mike Pence, that isn't reason to k**l as many as it took to contain the situation?

Anyone trying to defend these people and say deadly force should not have been used is part of the problem. Those Glocks hold 17 shots for a reason, and that is so someone who is being overrun can k**l as many people as it takes to stop them one way or another. In a hallway or door choke point the cop with a gun has a huge advantage.

Lesson was learned about how serious these trump supporters who want to o*******w the government, those defending government will not be so slow to respond with the appropriate deadly force.
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk ... (show quote)

One would think they would have shown more force than they did.

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Jan 13, 2021 18:38:22   #
woodguru
 
Michael10 wrote:
The way I see it, anyone who walked in the door was there to subvert Democracy, all bets are offshoot every one of them if necessary


Using absolute force is a massive deterrent, 30 people attacking someone who isn't shooting can't be stopped, when the first two or three closest get shot all of a sudden they all stop and decide they don't want to bleed too.

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Jan 13, 2021 18:58:08   #
PeterS
 
woodguru wrote:
Using absolute force is a massive deterrent, 30 people attacking someone who isn't shooting can't be stopped, when the first two or three closest get shot all of a sudden they all stop and decide they don't want to bleed too.

It's a matter of protecting the house that democracy built. There was a day when ours was the greatest democracy ever! If you won't protect it then what do you have???

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Jan 14, 2021 05:10:11   #
Jlw Loc: Wisconsin
 
woodguru wrote:
Says someone from the party of poor victimized pansies, I can't wear a mask, I can't breath, my freedoms are being trampled, whah, they are persecuting christians, they stole the v**e...whaaaah

Watch the videos of brave patriotic defenders of freedom being d**gged off in airports, it takes gay parodies to do them justice, crying like little babies...they are putting us on no fly lists, whaaah, we're losing our jobs, double whaaah.


How many Trump supporters have you seen crying to the moon

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Jan 14, 2021 07:35:02   #
Michael10
 
Jlw wrote:
How many Trump supporters have you seen crying to the moon


Way to many to count, they've all got their pussy hurt by a f**r e******n. Education is all that will break the suction on trumps but. Hopeless hopeless people

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Jan 14, 2021 11:07:17   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk is deadly serious...defending the top key members of government that were convened in one place. That place has to be defended and protected by security police that are willing to defend it with their lives, as well as willingly know when it is time to take the lives of those that threaten to overrun and breach security.

It doesn't make any difference who is trying to take over the capital, why would it make any difference? A****a, B*M, right wing militants, patriotic trump supporters...it's all the same thing, no difference, not a one of these groups get any free pass or special consideration.

Lines have to be drawn on when those defending a building have clear mandates for using deadly force. No, you don't start shooting into a crowd, there is a point where the mob's intent becomes the place where they get stopped with deadly force. Entrances, windows, points of entry are the choke points that are most easily and best defended. The steps were being overrun, cops were being attacked, when a mob starts pulling a cop down and beating him, those other cops had every right to shoot as many people as it took to defend their fellow officer and get the breathing space to withdraw into the building and close the doors behind them. Angry people pushing the doors and keeping them from being closed? Five guys shooting into those holding and pushing the doors takes care of that crap.

Windows being crashed cannot be allowed, holes in the windows could allow explosive devices to be thrown in on those defending that door, whoever is trying to breach that needs to be decisively stopped. Watching someone get shot serves as a very effective deterrent to the ones behind them, most people are not willing to step into where they will get shot.

There were too many struggles with crowds pushing a dozen cops that were outnumbered and couldn't hold them back, and I do not understand why there was any hesitation to draw their weapons and cut loose on those doing the pushing and fighting. Those cops have guns for a reason, and they were not using them where they needed to be used for what they have them for. A gun is worthless if you won't use it when it needs to be used.

We saw a video of a single cop trying to hold off a mob, he kept turning and running a few steps and turning to stand his ground with a baton wand, he had a gun, it should have been in his hand as he told them to stop, and one step results in one dead person, if they refuse to back up, more dead until the message gets through and you get help. In fact the bottom line is that anyone in the building trying to get to even more sensitive areas where senators and representatives are would not require warnings at all, the case could be made for dropping them.

In the eyes of those whose jobs it was to defend that building and our nation's top people these were potentially armed and 100% dangerous people that needed to be stopped with extreme force. There were many screaming hang Mike Pence, that isn't reason to k**l as many as it took to contain the situation?

Anyone trying to defend these people and say deadly force should not have been used is part of the problem. Those Glocks hold 17 shots for a reason, and that is so someone who is being overrun can k**l as many people as it takes to stop them one way or another. In a hallway or door choke point the cop with a gun has a huge advantage.

Lesson was learned about how serious these trump supporters who want to o*******w the government, those defending government will not be so slow to respond with the appropriate deadly force.
Defense of the capital is no joke, what's at risk ... (show quote)


You are a real c*******t t*****r . All this crap about k*****g people but you didn't have one word when
about the mayhem that was created by your friends and is still going on today. now quit lying and just try the
the t***h once in a while.

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Jan 14, 2021 16:22:14   #
Michael10
 
vernon wrote:
You are a real c*******t t*****r . All this crap about k*****g people but you didn't have one word when
about the mayhem that was created by your friends and is still going on today. now quit lying and just try the
the t***h once in a while.


Trump is the c*******ts and would put all the country under his thumb. Even Rudi now is his whipping boy, trump is refusing to pay him. He should have seen that coming.

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