There are any number of details from book to book of the Bible that contradict each other, in our human ethos
Dec 25, 2020 02:43:45 #
How to explain or fit them to our modern world views? Have we gotten better than God?
Slavery is one of the best examples. But not the only one. There is also genocide. If Jesus is the same "yesterday, today, and tomorrow," as co-creator with the father, there should be consistency in Moral Law that does not exist. We today find slavery and genocide wrong. We appear to have outgrown the conscience of the divine.
I have read many Christian Apologetics trying to explain through tortuous mental contortions why blatant contradictions and criminal abuse by the God of Israel are not what they seem. They all work...if you do not have a brain or discernment. Faith is not being naive or stupid. Yet there is a way of listening to Truth that does not require facts but simply spirit. What is that particular verse saying, distinct from all other similar verses?
I offer that out as I offer these conundrums:
Thou shalt not kill. —Exodus 20:13
Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his brother…companion…neighbor. —Exodus 32:27
2. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. —Revelation 8:7
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. —Revelation 9:4
3. Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord. —Proverbs 12:22
The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. —I Kings 22:23
4. And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month…Nebuzaradan…came…unto Jerusalem… —2 Kings 25:8
…in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month…came Nebuzaradan…into Jerusalem… —Jeremiah 52:12
5.For by grace are ye saved through faith…not of works. —Ephesians 2:8,9
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. —James 2:24 (Big problem for Protestants.)
6. Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. —2 Kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem… —2 Chronicles 36:9
7. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy…and they shall be your possession…they shall be your bondmen forever. —Leviticus 25:45-46
Undo the heavy burdens…let the oppressed go free,…break every yoke. —Isaiah 58:6
Just a sampling. I have thirteen more. But please rectify one to the other as not being a contradiction.
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/2014/05/30-pairs-of-bible-verses-that-contradict-one-another/
Slavery is one of the best examples. But not the only one. There is also genocide. If Jesus is the same "yesterday, today, and tomorrow," as co-creator with the father, there should be consistency in Moral Law that does not exist. We today find slavery and genocide wrong. We appear to have outgrown the conscience of the divine.
I have read many Christian Apologetics trying to explain through tortuous mental contortions why blatant contradictions and criminal abuse by the God of Israel are not what they seem. They all work...if you do not have a brain or discernment. Faith is not being naive or stupid. Yet there is a way of listening to Truth that does not require facts but simply spirit. What is that particular verse saying, distinct from all other similar verses?
I offer that out as I offer these conundrums:
Thou shalt not kill. —Exodus 20:13
Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his brother…companion…neighbor. —Exodus 32:27
2. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. —Revelation 8:7
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. —Revelation 9:4
3. Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord. —Proverbs 12:22
The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. —I Kings 22:23
4. And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month…Nebuzaradan…came…unto Jerusalem… —2 Kings 25:8
…in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month…came Nebuzaradan…into Jerusalem… —Jeremiah 52:12
5.For by grace are ye saved through faith…not of works. —Ephesians 2:8,9
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. —James 2:24 (Big problem for Protestants.)
6. Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. —2 Kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem… —2 Chronicles 36:9
7. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy…and they shall be your possession…they shall be your bondmen forever. —Leviticus 25:45-46
Undo the heavy burdens…let the oppressed go free,…break every yoke. —Isaiah 58:6
Just a sampling. I have thirteen more. But please rectify one to the other as not being a contradiction.
https://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/2014/05/30-pairs-of-bible-verses-that-contradict-one-another/
Dec 25, 2020 03:58:44 #
rumitoid wrote:
How to explain or fit them to our modern world vie... (show quote)
Exodus 20:13 would be better translated as "thou shall not commit murder"...
Clears up that controversy nicely...
Next please
Dec 25, 2020 11:40:16 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Exodus 20:13 would be better translated as "thou shall not commit murder"...
Clears up that controversy nicely...
Next please
Clears up that controversy nicely...
Next please
No, God commanded murder.
Dec 25, 2020 15:23:11 #
rumitoid wrote:
How to explain or fit them to our modern world vie... (show quote)
Instead of trying to justify your unbelief through the eyes of another non believer, look to Christian scholars or sources if you really care. It appears you don't.
Secular sources can't help you.
Dec 25, 2020 17:48:35 #
rumitoid wrote:
No, God commanded murder.
No... God commanded execution... There's a difference...
Dec 25, 2020 18:21:56 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No... God commanded execution... There's a difference...
Just a wee bit. Some say he condoned sin as in the case of Rahab but he didn't. He commended her faith.
Dec 25, 2020 21:28:02 #
Rose42 wrote:
Instead of trying to justify your unbelief through the eyes of another non believer, look to Christian scholars or sources if you really care. It appears you don't.
Secular sources can't help you.
Secular sources can't help you.
As I said on my thread, 'I have read many Christian Apologetics trying to explain through tortuous mental contortions why blatant contradictions and criminal abuse by the God of Israel are not what they seem.' Open your eyes. Not secular.
Dec 25, 2020 21:36:43 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No... God commanded execution... There's a difference...
No, genocide, killing the innocent, which he forbids us. God commands the Israelites “not to let a soul remain alive” among the indigenous inhabitants of Canaan (Deut. 20:16). If you want to clean that up by saying an infant was merely "executed" by God, feel free. In this day and age such a person would go to the Hague to be tried and then hung.
Dec 25, 2020 22:38:21 #
rumitoid wrote:
As I said on my thread, 'I have read many Christian Apologetics trying to explain through tortuous mental contortions why blatant contradictions and criminal abuse by the God of Israel are not what they seem.' Open your eyes. Not secular.
Baloney rumitoid. I have too and I found the answers quite easily years ago. You didn’t try very hard - if you even tried.
You’re just being the devil’s imp. Again.
Dec 25, 2020 22:47:17 #
rumitoid wrote:
No, genocide, killing the innocent, which he forbids us. God commands the Israelites “not to let a soul remain alive” among the indigenous inhabitants of Canaan (Deut. 20:16). If you want to clean that up by saying an infant was merely "executed" by God, feel free. In this day and age such a person would go to the Hague to be tried and then hung.
Guess it depends how you feel about genocide...
Why worry about that incident... The flood killed way more people than the Israelites ever managed...
Dec 26, 2020 01:28:16 #
rumitoid wrote:
As I said on my thread, 'I have read many Christian Apologetics trying to explain through tortuous mental contortions why blatant contradictions and criminal abuse by the God of Israel are not what they seem.' Open your eyes. Not secular.
All I know is once I was blind but now I can see. Why can't you exercise faith and know that God is God? It makes no difference how little our finite brains can understand the infinite mind of God. Questioning God is normal, doubting Him is sin.
Dec 26, 2020 11:15:00 #
Rose42 wrote:
Baloney rumitoid. I have too and I found the answers quite easily years ago. You didn’t try very hard - if you even tried.
You’re just being the devil’s imp. Again.
You’re just being the devil’s imp. Again.
If you found any answers, share them. Respond to the thread for once.
Dec 26, 2020 11:17:52 #
Armageddun wrote:
All I know is once I was blind but now I can see. Why can't you exercise faith and know that God is God? It makes no difference how little our finite brains can understand the infinite mind of God. Questioning God is normal, doubting Him is sin.
Doubting Him produces the best answers, exposing the marrow of Truth. Pie-in-the-face awakening.
Dec 26, 2020 13:11:28 #
rumitoid wrote:
Doubting Him produces the best answers, exposing the marrow of Truth. Pie-in-the-face awakening.
Pie in the face awakening comes when you are saved. Not from reading secular articles devoid of truth.
Dec 26, 2020 13:13:51 #
rumitoid wrote:
If you found any answers, share them. Respond to the thread for once.
I have responded many times to your threads and tire of you lying about it. You have been shown truth simply and clearly yet you still choose to reject Him.
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