son of witless

Abraham Lincoln was born in a s***e state. He grew up with it. To call him a r****t is unfair. All of us are products of our upbringing. In spite of this he was opposed to s***ery, and this was long before the Civil War. His e******n was one of the factors that pushed the Confederate States to secede. That would not have occurred if the S***e States did not fear his Presidency.

In an 1854 Peoria Illinois speech he wanted s***ery restricted and eventually abolished. For a man of his time, he was very very unr****t. http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/outlines/history-1990/sectional-conflict/lincoln-attacks-s***ery.php#:~:text=Abraham%20Lincoln%20had%20long%20regarded,be%20restricted%20and%20eventually%20abolished.



" And by his own words he was fine with the institution.." Please give me the quote and date.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Admittedly, there are quite a few quotes that would demonstrate him being anti s***ery as well...

Viewing his opinion on b****s I would conclude that he was fine with the institution of s***ery..

American Vet

From what I have read about Lincoln, I believe this pretty accurately addresses his thoughts:

"In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political e******y of the white and Black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed Black people having the right to v**e, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with w****s.

What he did believe was that, like all men, Black men had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason s***ery was inherently unjust."


https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-s***ery-and-emancipation

son of witless

S***ery is not the question. You and others have proclaimed President Abraham Lincoln a r****t. I am defending him and saying he is not. I thought that you may have other points with which to support your theory and my point about not judging Lincoln by today's more Puritan standards was meant to counter those.

As far as S***ery verses the Union, I believe you are making an extremely weak point. I am surprised you would even go there because you and I both have defended our respective countries, which means we have both had to excuse serious mistakes.

Abraham Lincoln's first priority as it should have been was the preservation of the union. Abolishing s***ery had to play second to that fact. Again I cannot believe you think that is a sign of r****m.

American Vet

By today's 'woke' standards he was a r****t. That is what the turmoil inSan Francisco is about. The 'woke' crowd is judging the past by their 'today' standards.

As far as your comment about the 'preservation' of the union, what do you think of these comments?

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Your first paragraph sums it up rather nice.. Things then are not now the same, especially in this supposed “ wokeness” or The PCBS that has stormed our cultures and thought process..Now to the detriment of societal advancements..

Removing names,asinine in my opinion, as is the ignorance in removing historical statues as if doing so will somehow erase the history of our country..


History being what is, when this “woke society” is referenced in history I doubt it will shine bright as a turning point for bettering our nation..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

👏🏻👏🏻 Thank You~~ This BS over s***ery then and now has been a welcomed thorn born and bread by political advancement. Significantly more is President Lincoln remember for why does this Seem to be the ”only some” of his achievements??Answer~~ the narrow minded thoughts of some ring true for the many who thrive on cultural r****m to sustain themselves.. Has anything really changed??? We still argue r****m and many a politician and party uses it to advance the objective to keep hatred, division, bigotry and last but not least r****m at the forefront...

All we have done to work towards acceptance of not only r****m of b****s but other ethnics as well has taken a devastating reversal because of the leaders whom promote it and the sheeple who follow it!

son of witless

Are you defending the Confederacy ? I have read a lot about it and even though I am glad the Union won, I understand and do not condemn the Confederates. Many of the generals like Grant who fought in the bloodiest battles were perfectly willing to forgive. It was the assasination of Lincoln that destroyed the reconciliation between North and South.

son of witless

America has gone through these cycles of intolerance before. Hopefully we will once again come out the other side and the guilty will be condemned. Until all of the guilt is used up, the guilty will have their power.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Eventually karma appears ,she’s due here pretty quick!!!

American Vet

I am defending the right of any political entity that feels they are so oppressed by the current government that they need to seperate.

That's how this country - and others - come about.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Did Lincoln believe that w****s and b****s were equal and deserved equal rights???

If yes, he was not a r****t, I withdraw my accusation...
If no, he was a r****t, by the very definition of the term...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

son of witless

A wake up call is in order for her. I hope she is a light sleeper.

son of witless

I doubt that Lincoln was 100 % free of r****m. It would be impossible or nearly so for a prominent person of his time to be so. I dislike the current liberal frenzy that is tearing down statues and destroying American History by calling everyone who was famous from our past, a r****t.

To me it is the same tactic employed by those responsible for the Salem Witch Trials. Call your enemies witches in order to destroy them. Substitute r****t for witch and you have modern America.

I am currently reading a biography on Thomas " Stone Wall " Jackson the great Confederate General. By current Liberal American Standards he was an irredeemable r****t villain. The t***h about the man is not so simple. He was a s***e owner, and fought for the side that wanted s***ery to continue.

There are some curious facts concerning this r****t. He taught a Sunday School Class for B****s because he wanted them to improve themselves and also to get them into Heaven. He took some flak from other Southerners for this. He was not a large s***e owner. He owned a small number. He treated them very well. He even had B****s coming to him asking him to buy them because he treated his s***es so well.

His decision to fight for the Confederacy was not rooted in hardcore love for s***ery. It was because of Patriotism and loyalty to his home state of Virginia.