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Dec 9, 2020 15:59:50   #
Radiance3
 
RT friend wrote:
God says what we think He is saying, and that is made good or bad by conflict, psychological mainly but usually becomes military, I use my ability to keep it psychological, but Malthus hit the nail on the head with his idea that wants are infinite and the Planet is only provisioned with finite capability to supply infinity, incredibly must end excess one way or the other, credibility in the end will eliminate story telling.

Actually at the moment it your interested in what happened after the Soviet Economy was destroyed - by its inability to harvest the wealth of what was then known as the of the 3 rd World, mainly because it didn't need it, and also it was though at the time by the Soviets that good would triumph over bad, - there is a really good lecture on "Yale Courses" 1. year ago, titled "Capitalist Economics with C*******t Policies China and Vietnam".

One point the lecturer makes is that it's the indirect reasons which determine the miraculous reason for the Chinese and now Vietnamese economic miracles, he doesn't dwell on the IMF's support but does mention it if I remember correctly, that is the reason I believe IMF support, but many other reasons are drilled into, the fact is now the Russian Federation, China and Vietnam are a single economic block brought into fruition by the Israeli l*****ts who control the IMF completely after they used mind control techniques to eliminate Dominique Strauss-Khan.

About Malthus' connection to this lecture which I mentioned, one point is clearly presented by the lecturer who makes a big deal about the trade off between ine******y and economic prosperity which China and Vietnam are presently exhibiting.

So as their economies are exploding wealth is being distributed with a greater proportion going to the top causing ine******y, which was seen as anathema in the Soviet Union who were applying Malthusian logic, now the 3 Nations Russia, China and Vietnam are not interested in egalitarianism, however Malthus clearly stated this is a short term aberration, when it ends the Jews will own everything.

God says what we think He is saying, and that is m... (show quote)

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Interesting. Meanwhile, I'll have appointments on business matters. Good day.

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Dec 9, 2020 16:00:06   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
Then why is it in every other senate impeachment trial in history they called and heard witnesses? This is the only Senate trial where not a single witness was heard.

This is from WWW senate.gov: The Senate sits as a High Court of Impeachment in which senators consider evidence, hear witnesses, and v**e to acquit or convict the impeached official. In the case of p**********l impeachment trials, the chief justice of the United States presides.

So you can't "hear witnesses" without calling them and in this case by not doing so, the t***h was kept silent all so the senate could keep a guilty president in power.
Then why is it in every other senate impeachment t... (show quote)


There were no actual "witnesses", if you remember.

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Dec 9, 2020 16:07:18   #
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. Loc: Pa
 
Kickaha wrote:
The problem was the secretary of state and the liberal state supreme court changed the rules just prior to the e******n. Also, the bill could have been passed by a unanimous v**e and it would still be defective. Under Pennsylvania law, v****g laws must be changed by a constitutional amendment, no other law or executive order can change a constitutional requirement.
It is also a catch-22 situation, nobody could sue when the law was passed because nobody was affected by it at that time. In other words, nobody had legal standing to bring suit. Now, they are saying that because suit wasn't brought at that time, it is too late to do so now.
When the ACA was passed, groups tried to take it to court over the penalty/tax. The cases were thrown out because nobody had been assessed the penalty/tax, therefore there was nobody who had standing to bring the case.
The legal system is very simple, there are a set of procedures that must be followed to bring any case to court. It's just that sometimes the procedures don't seem to make any logical sense.
The problem was the secretary of state and the lib... (show quote)


The spring primaries used the new law. Plenty of candidates with standing had the opportunity to challenge the law.

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Dec 9, 2020 16:12:28   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. wrote:
The spring primaries used the new law. Plenty of candidates with standing had the opportunity to challenge the law.


But they didn't now it's another state challenging it

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Dec 9, 2020 17:25:07   #
Unintended Consequences
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If you are willing and able to get your brain out of Lock Down, your mind out of quarantine, take off your mask and open your fkg eyes, we can show you the c***ting and the fraud. Lots of it, all over the place, hundreds and hundreds of instances of fraud on large scales and small.

These acts of fraud violated Article I, Section 4 & Article II, Section 1, para 2-4 of the US Constitution, the 14th amendment equal protection clause, and state e******n laws - not to mention violating the unwritten laws of moral decency, honor and good will toward men.
If you are willing and able to get your brain out ... (show quote)


I'm waiting to see the hundreds of instances of fraud,

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Dec 9, 2020 18:01:25   #
PeterS
 
Kickaha wrote:
Please try to understand or get someone to explain it to you in very simple terms. The Senate does not call witnesses, that is the job of the House managers acting as the prosecution. The President would then have the opportunity to call his own witnesses to refute the prosecution's witnesses and evidence. The House managers chose not to call any witnesses, instead they presented the transcripts of witness testimony from the House hearings. If you have incompetent prosecutors, you lose cases at every level of the court system. If this is still over your head, you will need to seek professional help.
Please try to understand or get someone to explain... (show quote)

You mean to tell me that the definition of what the Senate is supposed to do during an impeachment, taken from Senate rules, is false and the founders were incorrect when they wrote the Senate impeachment instructions? Well, who would of thunk? I appreciate the heads up. I would have gone on thinking that instructions, written by those who wrote the Constitution, was how the Senate was supposed to conduct itself during an impeachment.

Here are more from the Senate rules: VI. The Senate shall have power to compel the attendance of witnesses, to enforce obedience to its orders, mandates, writs, precepts, and judgments, to preserve order, and to punish in a summary way contempts of and disobedience to its authority, orders, mandates, writs, precepts, or judgments, and to make all lawful orders, rules and regulations, which it may deem essential or conducive to the ends of justice. And the Sergeant-at-arms, under the direction of the Senate, may employ such aid and assistance as may be necessary to enforce, executive, and carry into effect the lawful orders, mandates, writs, and precepts of the Senate.

XVI. Witnesses shall be examined by one person on behalf of the party producing them, and then cross-examined by one person on the other side. XVII. If a senator is called as a witness he shall be sworn and give his testimony standing in his place. XVIII. If a senator wishes a question to be put to a witness, or to offer a motion or order, (except a motion to adjourn,) it shall be reduced to writing, and put by the presiding officer.

It sorta begs the question of why the Senate would be compelled to examine witnesses if they didn't have the power to call witnesses--that this was solely the providence of the Congress of the United States and no other instrument of government.

Gosh, thanks so much for setting me straight...

https://www.senate.gov/about/resources/pdf/1868-impeachment-rules.pdf

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Dec 9, 2020 18:02:26   #
PeterS
 
Unintended Consequences wrote:
I'm waiting to see the hundreds of instances of fraud,

I am waiting to see ANY instance of fraud!

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Dec 9, 2020 18:10:18   #
PeterS
 
debeda wrote:
There were no actual "witnesses", if you remember.

Oh, there were dozens of witnesses heard by the Congress plus Bolton said he would ONLY testify before the Senate. There were plenty of witnesses, McConnell simply didn't want them to gum up the trial by hearing from them...

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Dec 9, 2020 18:30:58   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh, there were dozens of witnesses heard by the Congress plus Bolton said he would ONLY testify before the Senate. There were plenty of witnesses, McConnell simply didn't want them to gum up the trial by hearing from them...


Witnesses to the phone call?

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Dec 9, 2020 18:40:51   #
PeterS
 
Kickaha wrote:
There have been numerous anomalies, improbable occurrences, and questionable happenings. It doesn't necessarily mean that fraud occurred or that it reached the level of changing the results of the e******n, but it raises enough questions about the integrity of the e******n that not only needs but demands that an investigation be done to make sure that the e******n was truly fair and honest. If found to be otherwise, the guilty should receive the maximum penalty under the law.

And these accusations have been reviewed and dismissed by over 40 courts all across the land. Even the Supreme Court has now refused to listen to the nonsense you people are spewing--yet, somehow, we are supposed to believe that anomalies, improbable occurrences, and questionable happening--to you--is reason to enlist a FULL investigation of our e******n?

And what I love about all this is that you cons are more than willing to cancel the v**es of 81 million people even though you have ZERO evidence that any irregularities took place! So what you are doing is saying FUK you, I THINK I've been wronged--and no, I have no evidence that will stand up in a single court in this land--but I want all v**es (for Biden) canceled and only v**es for Donald J Trump to be counted!

Sure, nothing to it. I'll just snap my fingers and it will be so...

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Dec 9, 2020 19:02:06   #
Radiance3
 
PeterS wrote:
And these accusations have been reviewed and dismissed by over 40 courts all across the land. Even the Supreme Court has now refused to listen to the nonsense you people are spewing--yet, somehow, we are supposed to believe that anomalies, improbable occurrences, and questionable happening--to you--is reason to enlist a FULL investigation of our e******n?

And what I love about all this is that you cons are more than willing to cancel the v**es of 81 million people even though you have ZERO evidence that any irregularities took place! So what you are doing is saying FUK you, I THINK I've been wronged--and no, I have no evidence that will stand up in a single court in this land--but I want all v**es (for Biden) canceled and only v**es for Donald J Trump to be counted!

Sure, nothing to it. I'll just snap my fingers and it will be so...
And these accusations have been reviewed and dismi... (show quote)

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Ninety -five percent (95%) of radical c*******t DIMS are dishonest, corrupt, fraudulent, liars, immoral, low brainer, rude. I don't want them.

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Dec 9, 2020 19:17:47   #
PeterS
 
debeda wrote:
Witnesses to the phone call?

Who could verify the transcript that Trump provided?

(These individuals listened from the situation room)

Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State
Timothy Morrison, Senior Director for European Affairs
Charles Kupperman, Deputy National Security Adviser
Robert Blair, Senior Adviser to White House Chief of Staff
Keith Kellogg, National Security Adviser to Vice President
Jennifer Williams, Adviser to Vice President for Europe and Russia
Alexander Vindman, Top Ukraine expert, National Security Council
Jennifer Williams, a special adviser to Vice President Mike Pence on Europe and Russia

There were many others but these were subpoenaed and all but Vindman FAILED to appear before congress because Trump blocked their appearance and told them to defy a Congressional subpoena in violation of the rule of law and our Constitution...

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Dec 9, 2020 19:26:57   #
PeterS
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Ninety -five percent (95%) of radical c*******t DIMS are dishonest, corrupt, fraudulent, liars, immoral, low brainer, rude. I don't want them.

What does that have to do with anything? We are talking about Judges (including the Supreme Court) who were appointed by Republican presidents, including Donald J Trump, so for every judge to find against Trump indicates that his accusations were so far off base as to be completely unbelievable...except for people like you.

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Dec 9, 2020 19:30:21   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
Who could verify the transcript that Trump provided?

(These individuals listened from the situation room)

Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State
Timothy Morrison, Senior Director for European Affairs
Charles Kupperman, Deputy National Security Adviser
Robert Blair, Senior Adviser to White House Chief of Staff
Keith Kellogg, National Security Adviser to Vice President
Jennifer Williams, Adviser to Vice President for Europe and Russia
Alexander Vindman, Top Ukraine expert, National Security Council
Jennifer Williams, a special adviser to Vice President Mike Pence on Europe and Russia

There were many others but these were subpoenaed and all but Vindman FAILED to appear before congress because Trump blocked their appearance and told them to defy a Congressional subpoena in violation of the rule of law and our Constitution...
Who could verify the transcript that Trump provide... (show quote)


Hmmmm

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Dec 9, 2020 20:30:47   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
I guess everyone knows about Texas and 16 other states. Trump may sign on with them.😎

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