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Dec 4, 2020 14:51:05   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
The veil over your eyes is truly a mantle of lead.

You may be true to the edict: "Know thyself," but you know nothing of the man against whom you bear false witness.


rumitoid wrote:
The fact that no matter what I have done wrong only affected a very limited population does not mitigate the harm I may have done to those people. And hopefully you can guess the rest. Maybe not. Being ruinous to the foundations of this country, such as the DOJ and our Democratic Process of v****g, is his legacy. His immigration policies are r****t and vicious. Comparing myself just up to this point with Trump, I am as human and possible of the same errors as him. The end!

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Dec 5, 2020 08:24:39   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
The veil over your eyes is truly a mantle of lead.

You may be true to the edict: "Know thyself," but you know nothing of the man against whom you bear false witness.


Really? How do I know "nothing"? His words and deeds are public knowledge everyday for four years and earlier. It plainly shows that he is a vicious, pathological narcissist. He has spoken over 20,000 lies or misleading statements in his term. You may want to ignore his divorces and the Access Hollywood tapes, but they are facts on public records. And he is president of the US of A. Criticizing what may be hurting the country is a patriot's duty, not gossip or "false witness" when it is recorded.

Yet unlike you I will not make presumptions about your ability to see clearly. You are simply sharing an opinion and I respect that right. Thank you for taking the time to comment. And again I say I am not above what Donald Trump has done wrong.

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Dec 5, 2020 10:40:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
Really? How do I know "nothing"? His words and deeds are public knowledge everyday for four years and earlier. It plainly shows that he is a vicious, pathological narcissist. He has spoken over 20,000 lies or misleading statements in his term. You may want to ignore his divorces and the Access Hollywood tapes, but they are facts on public records. And he is president of the US of A. Criticizing what may be hurting the country is a patriot's duty, not gossip or "false witness" when it is recorded.

Yet unlike you I will not make presumptions about your ability to see clearly. You are simply sharing an opinion and I respect that right. Thank you for taking the time to comment. And again I say I am not above what Donald Trump has done wrong.
Really? How do I know "nothing"? His wor... (show quote)


Hold the other POTUSs to the same standards and scrutiny.... How'd they do?

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Dec 5, 2020 12:50:07   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hold the other POTUSs to the same standards and scrutiny.... How'd they do?


Lol, so sad. Not the point. My recent plumber did a terrible job; that is what I want to comment about and not another plumber from four years ago, whether good or bad. We hold each POTUS to what they did while in office. Deflecting or attempting to mitigate their wrong doing by pointing the finger at someone else's possibly similar wrong doing is utterly childish. It is like saying they get immunity because another did the same harm before them. Silly.

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Dec 7, 2020 03:09:05   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Donald J. Trump's life has been an open book to the public since he, seeking economic enlargement of his Queens/Brooklyn/Staten Island real estate firm, moved to a studio on 75th Street in Manhattan from the borough of Queens in 1971.

New York is the biggest, most diverse and most cinematic of all American cities. People worldwide are familiar with the different types of New Yorkers: the hard-working immigrant, the Wall Street banker, the gruff blue-collar Brooklynite, the African-American Harlemite, and the Jewish Upper West Sider.

Donald Trump is none of those. He is a WASP from Queens. This background makes Trump unusual in New York. He defies the standard categories. He worked at his father's firm while attending the Wharton School of Finance at UPenn, then joined the firm after graduation.

Trump may seem like a quintessential New Yorker, but he is in some respects a non-New Yorker's idea of a New Yorker. Donald J. Trump was always difficult to place into New York's cultural geography. In a tribal city, Donald Trump has no real tribe.

In 1962, at the age of sixteen, in Cincinnati, Ohio, Donald Trump spent his summer involved in one of his first real estate deals; the overhaul of a foreclosed 1200-unit apartment complex. With just a $500,000 investment on a $5.7 million valued property, he took Trump and Son (the family business) owned Swifton Village from 66% to 100% occupancy in two years. It then sold for $6.75 million in 1972.

By 1973, Trump was in his glory — at just 27 years old, he was running the Trump Management Corporation out of Brooklyn and oversaw the company's 14,000 apartments across Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

Before he became a pariah in 2015, to the sanctimonious, navel-gazing, collective progressive/Marxist/g*******t world by campaigning for and in 2016, subsequently winning political office, Donald J. Trump had been universally recognized as one of today’s best examples of a success story after climbing to the top of the heap in Manhattan.

For over a period of two decades, prior to his run for the p**********l nod for the Republican party, Trump had routinely financially supported candidates of both the Democrats and Republicans with very generous checks.

Driven, talented, focused, and determined, he tirelessly surmounted the most impossible business odds in NYC, - an environment that is universally recognized as one of the world's most challenging, difficult and dangerous business environments in which to "make it."

1971 began the defining moment of his much maligned American success story, as he eventually parlayed the $300 million dollar (meager by New York standards) real estate and building firm inherited from his father into a conglomerate multi-billion dollar corporation composed of 500 companies, and later gamified the business world with his hit show "The Apprentice," a #1 rated reality television show which ran for fifteen years, of which he was owner, producer, director and star.

In 1990 the real estate market declined and His net worth was cut by almost two-thirds from $1.7 billion to $500 million. Just as everyone had counted him out, Trump brought his company back, coming close to worth $2 billion in 1997.

The building that would bring him to the attention of the world had yet to rise. A year earlier in 1979 he had leased a site on Fifth Avenue, which was to be the future site of Trump Tower. The impressive 58-story building opened in 1982, with a six-story atrium lined with pink marble and an 80-foot waterfall.

A professionally prepared financial statement released in 2016 pegged President Trump's net worth at about $8.74 billion. The number came from subtracting liabilities of about $502 million from his reported total assets of over $9.2 billion.

His jealous, but sanctimonious, h**e-filled multitudinous list of enemies insist his worth is "only" around $4 billion...

How many people do you know who have parlayed $300 million dollars ($300,000,000) into $9 billion ($9,000,000,000), or even $4 billion ($4,000,000,000)?

How many in New York City would have the ambition, energy, intelligence, street savvy and grit to even try?

Now that we have that out of the way: Have you ever studied the ego building daily self- affirming exercises mandated by Presbyterian Minister and author, Norman Vincent Peale in his classic best seller, "The Power of Positive Thinking,?" - a process that borders on occultism, but is clothed in Christian Biblical garb.

First published in 1952, the book has sold over five million copies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WqYcGtc14I

Donald Trump did.

The Trump family church of his youth, during the 1960s, was the Manhattan Presbyterian church, known as Marble Collegiate Church at a time when Marble was led by the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale who taught such topics as:

1) Believing in yourself

2) Having constant energy

3) How to get people to like you.

4) Obtaining personal prosperity

From the internet: "The relationship between Trump and his new pastor, Norman Vincent Peale, developed into a friendship. Although they were a half-century apart in age, Peale really liked Trump. And even now, almost a quarter century after Peale’s death, Trump can’t stop praising Peale. It was an important relationship and one that has made Trump rather content with his religious background. Relatively few of the presidents who have served in the 20th century have had such a close adult relationship with a pastor."

There is a lot of reaffirming "prosperity gospel" from Trump’s most public evangelical supporters that resemble what he learned in the sixties, - a connection to Peale?

If you read Norman Vincent Peale's bestselling, but theologically controversial, book, "The Power of Positive Thinking," you will find that he taught that a life he considered faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ would result in obtaining everything you want, if you consistently project that inward belief outward verbally to the world, to which he added the belief that acting in such a manner would bring back material success and psychological and physical health — in other words, financial prosperity and success in all endeavors.

What to you is "lying" to Donald Trump is looking at his life and daily circumstances through the lens of "positive" ideology, believing it to an "activist" necessity, like priming a pump, to speak of it as already a reality in order to obtain his desired goal.

The reason Donald Trump's rallies draw thousands of his countrymen/women is because he actually speaks his mind... it's unheard of, and so refreshing.

Next: Access Hollywood tapes

Although President Trump has never drank alcohol, smoked tobacco, or done illegal drugs, he has always attempted to portray a "playboy" image to the media, who cheerfully obliged him by reporting it as true.

His secretly recorded conversation is a private "locker room" talk with someone he mistakenly believed to be a friend... Billy Bush, a cousin of George W. and Jeb Bush, who betrayed him by selling the tape years later, futilely hoping to end Donald Trump's candidacy.

President Trump's 1st wife was a model, his 2nd wife was an actress, and Melania, his 3rd was also a model, as were both his daughters, Ivanka and Tiffany at certain times during their lives.

This is a world in which he often lived, and in which he was comfortable.

He owned the Miss America Pageant, and he possesses great wealth, so how would women treat him???

Of course, he had willing women throwing themselves at him. Do you doubt it?

In the tapes, he said they were willing; he said he "could have," he didn't say he did.

Last: Three marriages, all ceremonies performed publicly with great fanfare...

There was never anything hidden or sneaky. Donald Trump's life has been an open book.

Is he perfect?

Not always as a husband, but as a Father, he appears to have done his best, with resounding success.

His children have never been arrested, never been neglected, never been unloved.

All have successful careers, and are hard working.

All have finished college degrees, except of course, 14 year old Barron.

Does the imperfection of his personal life, in many aspects mirror that of our greater society?

You bet.

He loves this country and he loves its citizens, and he sincerely wants to make it great again.

As a president, is he perfect? - just about!



rumitoid wrote:
Really? How do I know "nothing"? His words and deeds are public knowledge everyday for four years and earlier. It plainly shows that he is a vicious, pathological narcissist. He has spoken over 20,000 lies or misleading statements in his term. You may want to ignore his divorces and the Access Hollywood tapes, but they are facts on public records. And he is president of the US of A. Criticizing what may be hurting the country is a patriot's duty, not gossip or "false witness" when it is recorded.

Yet unlike you I will not make presumptions about your ability to see clearly. You are simply sharing an opinion and I respect that right. Thank you for taking the time to comment. And again I say I am not above what Donald Trump has done wrong.
Really? How do I know "nothing"? His wor... (show quote)





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Dec 8, 2020 18:55:37   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hold the other POTUSs to the same standards and scrutiny.... How'd they do?


What a totally ridiculous question. There is no comparison. Yes, all have lied...on occasion--and it has usually been scandalous; Trump's lies, distortions, and misinformation has been 3 or 4 times a day. Look it up!

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Dec 8, 2020 19:00:26   #
rumitoid
 
Zemirah wrote:
Donald J. Trump's life has been an open book to the public since he, seeking economic enlargement of his Queens/Brooklyn/Staten Island real estate firm, moved to a studio on 75th Street in Manhattan from the borough of Queens in 1971.

New York is the biggest, most diverse and most cinematic of all American cities. People worldwide are familiar with the different types of New Yorkers: the hard-working immigrant, the Wall Street banker, the gruff blue-collar Brooklynite, the African-American Harlemite, and the Jewish Upper West Sider.

Donald Trump is none of those. He is a WASP from Queens. This background makes Trump unusual in New York. He defies the standard categories. He worked at his father's firm while attending the Wharton School of Finance at UPenn, then joined the firm after graduation.

Trump may seem like a quintessential New Yorker, but he is in some respects a non-New Yorker's idea of a New Yorker. Donald J. Trump was always difficult to place into New York's cultural geography. In a tribal city, Donald Trump has no real tribe.

In 1962, at the age of sixteen, in Cincinnati, Ohio, Donald Trump spent his summer involved in one of his first real estate deals; the overhaul of a foreclosed 1200-unit apartment complex. With just a $500,000 investment on a $5.7 million valued property, he took Trump and Son (the family business) owned Swifton Village from 66% to 100% occupancy in two years. It then sold for $6.75 million in 1972.

By 1973, Trump was in his glory — at just 27 years old, he was running the Trump Management Corporation out of Brooklyn and oversaw the company's 14,000 apartments across Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

Before he became a pariah in 2015, to the sanctimonious, navel-gazing, collective progressive/Marxist/g*******t world by campaigning for and in 2016, subsequently winning political office, Donald J. Trump had been universally recognized as one of today’s best examples of a success story after climbing to the top of the heap in Manhattan.

For over a period of two decades, prior to his run for the p**********l nod for the Republican party, Trump had routinely financially supported candidates of both the Democrats and Republicans with very generous checks.

Driven, talented, focused, and determined, he tirelessly surmounted the most impossible business odds in NYC, - an environment that is universally recognized as one of the world's most challenging, difficult and dangerous business environments in which to "make it."

1971 began the defining moment of his much maligned American success story, as he eventually parlayed the $300 million dollar (meager by New York standards) real estate and building firm inherited from his father into a conglomerate multi-billion dollar corporation composed of 500 companies, and later gamified the business world with his hit show "The Apprentice," a #1 rated reality television show which ran for fifteen years, of which he was owner, producer, director and star.

In 1990 the real estate market declined and His net worth was cut by almost two-thirds from $1.7 billion to $500 million. Just as everyone had counted him out, Trump brought his company back, coming close to worth $2 billion in 1997.

The building that would bring him to the attention of the world had yet to rise. A year earlier in 1979 he had leased a site on Fifth Avenue, which was to be the future site of Trump Tower. The impressive 58-story building opened in 1982, with a six-story atrium lined with pink marble and an 80-foot waterfall.

A professionally prepared financial statement released in 2016 pegged President Trump's net worth at about $8.74 billion. The number came from subtracting liabilities of about $502 million from his reported total assets of over $9.2 billion.

His jealous, but sanctimonious, h**e-filled multitudinous list of enemies insist his worth is "only" around $4 billion...

How many people do you know who have parlayed $300 million dollars ($300,000,000) into $9 billion ($9,000,000,000), or even $4 billion ($4,000,000,000)?

How many in New York City would have the ambition, energy, intelligence, street savvy and grit to even try?

Now that we have that out of the way: Have you ever studied the ego building daily self- affirming exercises mandated by Presbyterian Minister and author, Norman Vincent Peale in his classic best seller, "The Power of Positive Thinking,?" - a process that borders on occultism, but is clothed in Christian Biblical garb.

First published in 1952, the book has sold over five million copies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WqYcGtc14I

Donald Trump did.

The Trump family church of his youth, during the 1960s, was the Manhattan Presbyterian church, known as Marble Collegiate Church at a time when Marble was led by the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale who taught such topics as:

1) Believing in yourself

2) Having constant energy

3) How to get people to like you.

4) Obtaining personal prosperity

From the internet: "The relationship between Trump and his new pastor, Norman Vincent Peale, developed into a friendship. Although they were a half-century apart in age, Peale really liked Trump. And even now, almost a quarter century after Peale’s death, Trump can’t stop praising Peale. It was an important relationship and one that has made Trump rather content with his religious background. Relatively few of the presidents who have served in the 20th century have had such a close adult relationship with a pastor."

There is a lot of reaffirming "prosperity gospel" from Trump’s most public evangelical supporters that resemble what he learned in the sixties, - a connection to Peale?

If you read Norman Vincent Peale's bestselling, but theologically controversial, book, "The Power of Positive Thinking," you will find that he taught that a life he considered faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ would result in obtaining everything you want, if you consistently project that inward belief outward verbally to the world, to which he added the belief that acting in such a manner would bring back material success and psychological and physical health — in other words, financial prosperity and success in all endeavors.

What to you is "lying" to Donald Trump is looking at his life and daily circumstances through the lens of "positive" ideology, believing it to an "activist" necessity, like priming a pump, to speak of it as already a reality in order to obtain his desired goal.

The reason Donald Trump's rallies draw thousands of his countrymen/women is because he actually speaks his mind... it's unheard of, and so refreshing.

Next: Access Hollywood tapes

Although President Trump has never drank alcohol, smoked tobacco, or done illegal drugs, he has always attempted to portray a "playboy" image to the media, who cheerfully obliged him by reporting it as true.

His secretly recorded conversation is a private "locker room" talk with someone he mistakenly believed to be a friend... Billy Bush, a cousin of George W. and Jeb Bush, who betrayed him by selling the tape years later, futilely hoping to end Donald Trump's candidacy.

President Trump's 1st wife was a model, his 2nd wife was an actress, and Melania, his 3rd was also a model, as were both his daughters, Ivanka and Tiffany at certain times during their lives.

This is a world in which he often lived, and in which he was comfortable.

He owned the Miss America Pageant, and he possesses great wealth, so how would women treat him???

Of course, he had willing women throwing themselves at him. Do you doubt it?

In the tapes, he said they were willing; he said he "could have," he didn't say he did.

Last: Three marriages, all ceremonies performed publicly with great fanfare...

There was never anything hidden or sneaky. Donald Trump's life has been an open book.

Is he perfect?

Not always as a husband, but as a Father, he appears to have done his best, with resounding success.

His children have never been arrested, never been neglected, never been unloved.

All have successful careers, and are hard working.

All have finished college degrees, except of course, 14 year old Barron.

Does the imperfection of his personal life, in many aspects mirror that of our greater society?

You bet.

He loves this country and he loves its citizens, and he sincerely wants to make it great again.

As a president, is he perfect? - just about!
Donald J. Trump's life has been an open book to th... (show quote)


Truly, truly sad. No phenomenally so. That is a total whitewash of his life. Where you get that version? Donald Jr? Do some real research and not rely Far Right Propaganda sites. Try a search on criminal records for NY state.

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Dec 10, 2020 01:06:25   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Most of what I wrote, I wrote from knowledge...

It was not a "version."

If President Trump were a convicted felon, he could not have ran for office.

He has never been arrested for anything, consequently, he has never been tried or convicted of anything.

He has no criminal record.

You bearing false witness against him is beyond sad.





rumitoid wrote:
Truly, truly sad. No phenomenally so. That is a total whitewash of his life. Where you get that version? Donald Jr? Do some real research and not rely Far Right Propaganda sites. Try a search on criminal records for NY state.

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Dec 10, 2020 03:41:07   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Addendum: I checked no "far right" sources, nor did I check any "far left" sources.

Anyone, anyone at all, who has lived in the United States during the 2nd half of the 20th century and the first one score years of the 21st century, is aware of Manhattan Builder and businessman/developer, Donald Trump, for through the years, he has been always in the public eye, through the media of newspapers, television news, movie cameo appearances, celebrity news, society news; the books he authored, his life as a Manhattan millionaire, then billionaire, then as owner, producer, directer and acting star of a #1 rated Reality show, The Apprentice."

I researched all the available information on the religious beliefs, training, and affiliation of all the top candidates for p**********l office at the beginning of the 2016 campaign.

Did you?

Before one spends four bitter, hostile years, badmouthing the President of the United States, it would be good to learn something about the man.

Zemirah wrote:
Most of what I wrote, I wrote from knowledge...

It was not a "version."

If President Trump were a convicted felon, he could not have ran for office.

He has never been arrested for anything, consequently, he has never been tried or convicted of anything.

He has no criminal record.

Your bearing false witness against him is beyond sad.

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