Not sure what you are saying but if you mean this is payback for 2016... An eye for an eye only leaves everyone blind. As for where was I, not sure when I started lurking this site but I only created this account a short while back, maybe 2, 3 possibly 4 months ago, I don't recall. I can tell you I haven't been crying about Hilary losing, not on this site or any other.

Was I a Hilary supporter, no, not really, was I a Trump supporter... Sadly... At first, when I thought his campaign was about controversy and obnoxiousness to get his name in people's heads, yeah, I supported him, when I came to terms with the fact that we were seeing him for himself, I did a 100% lightning quick about face. At first, I too bought into the "not a politician, great businessman, just what we need to shake things up in Washington candidate" hype. I enjoyed his campaign antics and argued in his favor, primarily because classic, ancient interviews had him composed and sounding intelligent. When I found out he wasn't what I thought he was, I bailed on him and hoped ANYBODY but him would be president.

In 2016, I v**ed for Hilary, when she lost, I had some choice words and got over it and hoped Trump would listen to his advisers and that things wouldn't get too bad. That hope was smashed very quickly into his administration and I hoped that America survived until he could be legally removed from office. We have survived-ish and luckily he was v**ed out, though the race was a bit of a nail biter. Of ALL of our presidents since I became interested enough in politics to do my civic duty and responsibility for the good of our nation, this is the only time I have EVER been so committed to the outcome, I always had my preference in e******ns and would v**e my preference, but never felt the future of our nation was ever in as much jeopardy as 2016 & 2020.

No, I never screamed at the sky in 2016, was I pleased with the result, no, was I worried for America's future... At that time, my only really strong fear was his comments regarding his readiness to resort to nuclear warfare during his campaign, that made me REAL nervous. I also expected some diplomacy issues, My worries were founded, we have some bridges to rebuild. The one thing I really should have been worried about was the one thing I didn't consider, the division of America. That is what took the greatest hit, where the majority of the damage was done, what I SHOULD have been the most worried about, but wasn't.

Another thing I SHOULD have worried about but didn't, even though it was on clear display during 2016 campaign, the damage he has done to the integrity of our e*******l process. The damage done is massive. We have, what? 40+% of Americans absolutely sure there was v**er/e******n f***d. There has been a lot of focus on looking into the matter and some minor issues came to light but nothing of any serious nature or on any large scale, yet so many are certain the e******n was "stolen".

It isn't even just America that got fractured, the Republican party, one of the two parties in our two party system became fractured in this latest e******n. The Republican politicians themselves seem to still be able to unite for the good of the party but there are severe stress cracks in the party. I think if Trump runs again in 2024, the party just may come apart.

I know, much more of a post than you were looking for, just felt the need to vent. Was out with some friends when we ran into another friend and even though they used to be great friends... I ended up having to excuse myself and leave, a couple were Republicans, the one we ran into was also a Republican but more of a Trumplican Republican. You can imagine how that went when they started talking about Trump's loss. I thought the three of them were going to come to blows. I h**e seeing good friends split over something petty like politics.

Anyways, sorry guys, perhaps I should take a break, maybe post more tomorrow, I don't know, take a look and decide.

Not sure what you are saying but if you mean this is payback for 2016... An eye for an eye only leaves everyone blind. As for where was I, not sure when I started lurking this site but I only created this account a short while back, maybe 2, 3 possibly 4 months ago, I don't recall. I can tell you I haven't been crying about Hilary losing, not on this site or any other.

Was I a Hilary supporter, no, not really, was I a Trump supporter... Sadly... At first, when I thought his campaign was about controversy and obnoxiousness to get his name in people's heads, yeah, I supported him, when I came to terms with the fact that we were seeing him for himself, I did a 100% lightning quick about face. At first, I too bought into the "not a politician, great businessman, just what we need to shake things up in Washington candidate" hype. I enjoyed his campaign antics and argued in his favor, primarily because classic, ancient interviews had him composed and sounding intelligent. When I found out he wasn't what I thought he was, I bailed on him and hoped ANYBODY but him would be president.

In 2016, I v**ed for Hilary, when she lost, I had some choice words and got over it and hoped Trump would listen to his advisers and that things wouldn't get too bad. That hope was smashed very quickly into his administration and I hoped that America survived until he could be legally removed from office. We have survived-ish and luckily he was v**ed out, though the race was a bit of a nail biter. Of ALL of our presidents since I became interested enough in politics to do my civic duty and responsibility for the good of our nation, this is the only time I have EVER been so committed to the outcome, I always had my preference in e******ns and would v**e my preference, but never felt the future of our nation was ever in as much jeopardy as 2016 & 2020.

No, I never screamed at the sky in 2016, was I pleased with the result, no, was I worried for America's future... At that time, my only really strong fear was his comments regarding his readiness to resort to nuclear warfare during his campaign, that made me REAL nervous. I also expected some diplomacy issues, My worries were founded, we have some bridges to rebuild. The one thing I really should have been worried about was the one thing I didn't consider, the division of America. That is what took the greatest hit, where the majority of the damage was done, what I SHOULD have been the most worried about, but wasn't.

Another thing I SHOULD have worried about but didn't, even though it was on clear display during 2016 campaign, the damage he has done to the integrity of our e*******l process. The damage done is massive. We have, what? 40+% of Americans absolutely sure there was v**er/e******n f***d. There has been a lot of focus on looking into the matter and some minor issues came to light but nothing of any serious nature or on any large scale, yet so many are certain the e******n was "stolen".

It isn't even just America that got fractured, the Republican party, one of the two parties in our two party system became fractured in this latest e******n. The Republican politicians themselves seem to still be able to unite for the good of the party but there are severe stress cracks in the party. I think if Trump runs again in 2024, the party just may come apart.

I know, much more of a post than you were looking for, just felt the need to vent. Was out with some friends when we ran into another friend and even though they used to be great friends... I ended up having to excuse myself and leave, a couple were Republicans, the one we ran into was also a Republican but more of a Trumplican Republican. You can imagine how that went when they started talking about Trump's loss. I thought the three of them were going to come to blows. I h**e seeing good friends split over something petty like politics.

Anyways, sorry guys, perhaps I should take a break, maybe post more tomorrow, I don't know, take a look and decide.

Odd how some have gotten so fearful so recently. We have had many presidents over the nearing 2.5 century mark we have been an independent nation. How many of our presidents have brought demise upon America? No, I have not feared any president we have ever had with the exception of one. What is so scary about Biden? The one realistic thing I can think of that he might do that I think would be bad for America would be bad indeed, but will not likely lead to our demise. No, I don't think we have much to fear over the next four years. What happens AFTER that... I would LOVE to say we shall never have to endure another dangerous president from ANY party, but if recent history has taught me anything, it is that one man can do much harm and still be loved by many.

There are some professions that require screening meant to prevent potential issues by trying to screen out individuals that aren't well suited for certain responsibilities, though even those measures have proven ineffective in some cases. Securing this nation against the harm that can be done by a single man in the right position will not be an easy task.

I'm sorry, I am still reeling from earlier today, it left me in a bit of a funk. So sad to see good friendships turn sour.