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Nov 30, 2020 03:42:30   #
PeterS
 
Simple Sam wrote:
On SS, to pay for the additional people, the eligibility rate will be increased to 70 and 30 years of work history. Add to that an income limitation. And a employed individuals will see an increase in taxes. Combined, these new standards will eliminate most middle class Americans from ever collecting one cent of what they paid into this program.

I do not have a personal problem with feeding families. Having said that, we should not be feeding or housing i******s while we have homeless Americans and Americans who are unable to feed their children.

I am not sure what I can do about these problems because our v**es don't count.
On SS, to pay for the additional people, the eligi... (show quote)

There has never been a day when we haven't had homeless or i******s for that matter, so it sounds like you have the same problem feeding families that all conservatives have--you put in qualifiers that no one can qualify for then you pat yourself on the back for how caring you and your fellow cons are. Praise Jesus and pass the beans! As for i******s, if we know they are illegal I would assume we would deport them and the problem of feeding them ceased to be...

Social Security is a different question. There is no requirement of being a US citizen to collect SS, so, if they've worked long enough in the United States to qualify for SS you could still have a situation where you deport them while they would still be eligible to collect SS. So I can see a situation where we deport them to sunny Alcapulco and they enjoy it all on the government's dime...

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Nov 30, 2020 03:43:57   #
PeterS
 
debeda wrote:
Well said Sam. I'm sure you speak for many with this response. Definitely for me

Since no one could qualify for it I can see why, you being a Christian, would approve...

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Nov 30, 2020 03:47:00   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
1. Why do we have non Americans collecting social security?

2. Why are we paying non Americans welfare and benefits?
3. What if anything do you plan on doing about these problems?
Just more bull $hit?


Do your research. If you are a non-citizen you have to have a green card or be in a special category to even get a social security card. You have to work in the country for 40 quarters (10 years) to even qualify and you had to have SS withdrawn from your paycheck. So for the vast majority of non-citizens it works just like a citizen. You get out of the system an amount commensurate with what you put in.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm

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Nov 30, 2020 03:53:06   #
PeterS
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
Do your research. If you are a non-citizen you have to have a green card or be in a special category to even get a social security card. You have to work in the country for 40 quarters (10 years) to even qualify and you had to have SS withdrawn from your paycheck. So for the vast majority of non-citizens, it works just like a citizen. You get out of the system an amount commensurate with what you put in.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm

Sounds fair to me...

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Nov 30, 2020 04:04:01   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
PeterS wrote:
Sounds fair to me...


Yep

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Nov 30, 2020 05:42:19   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
1. Why do we have non Americans collecting social security?

2. Why are we paying non Americans welfare and benefits?
3. What if anything do you plan on doing about these problems?
Just more bull $hit?


That is how the dem's get all the illegal v**es!
No one except those who paid into in, other than a spouse should get it.

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Nov 30, 2020 06:29:31   #
Big dog
 
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. wrote:
Since you can’t count to 3, no respose warranted


Troll

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Nov 30, 2020 06:43:50   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
1. Why do we have non Americans collecting social security?

2. Why are we paying non Americans welfare and benefits?
3. What if anything do you plan on doing about these problems?
Just more bull $hit?

It's called Give money to anyone that breaks an Ankle while running from the Police .

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Nov 30, 2020 07:25:45   #
American Vet
 
PeterS wrote:
There has never been a day when we haven't had homeless or i******s for that matter, so it sounds like you have the same problem feeding families


Why do you think it is the government's responsibility to 'feed families'?

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Nov 30, 2020 07:42:16   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Cherokee38 wrote:
1. Why do we have non Americans collecting social security?

2. Why are we paying non Americans welfare and benefits?
3. What if anything do you plan on doing about these problems?
Just more bull $hit?


Non-U.S. citizens who are living legally in the United States and who have earned benefits can collect Social Security. 1 There are also provisions if some of the 40 quarters of work required to qualify for supplemental security income (SSI) benefits were from work done by a spouse or parent.

With some exceptions, non-citizens entering the United States after August 22, 1996, the date of enactment of the welfare reform legislation, are not eligible for most welfare benefits, including Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP),

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Nov 30, 2020 07:47:03   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
That is how the dem's get all the illegal v**es!
No one except those who paid into in, other than a spouse should get it.

Yes Pisses me off when someone that never worked a day in there life,Collects Social security Disability, and gets almost as much Money as I do, And I worked all my life and paid in my fair share ,only to hear that Social security may make cuts because there running out of funds !!!!! No Wonder, with all the people that are on disability ;!!!!! And I personally know lots in it ,And never paid in !!!! Why ???

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Nov 30, 2020 07:52:28   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Dwbill wrote:
Yes Pisses me off when someone that never worked a day in there life,Collects Social security Disability, and gets almost as much Money as I do, And I worked all my life and paid in my fair share ,only to hear that Social security may make cuts because there running out of funds !!!!! No Wonder, with all the people that are on disability ;!!!!! And I personally know lots in it ,And never paid in !!!! Why ???



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Nov 30, 2020 08:16:08   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
American Vet wrote:
Why do you think it is the government's responsibility to 'feed families'?


Why do you think it isn’t ?
The taxpayers pay dearly for the food grown in this country. Why would you think it’s ok for corporate conglomerates to take possession of all the food and then decide who gets it ?
That sounds similar to what Hitler did in the ‘30s.
Actually tell me why you think everything in this country should be owned by only a few Conglomerates.
If you were to be the owner of this country as the Constitution states what exactly would you do with all the food ?

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Nov 30, 2020 08:26:00   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
Bad Bob wrote:


It's ok if they paid in to collect ,but not if they didn't ever pay,Y should that be ??? When they said this was the land of the free, They didn't mean it literally ,!!! Like "free anything you want free" !!

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Nov 30, 2020 08:45:59   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
Do your research. If you are a non-citizen you have to have a green card or be in a special category to even get a social security card. You have to work in the country for 40 quarters (10 years) to even qualify and you had to have SS withdrawn from your paycheck. So for the vast majority of non-citizens it works just like a citizen. You get out of the system an amount commensurate with what you put in.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm


1. Many noncitizens living in the U.S. can get Social Security benefits
Being a U.S. citizen isn't a requirement for receiving Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration, noncitizens who are "lawfully in the United States and meet all eligibility requirements" can get benefits. That includes not only those admitted for permanent residence under the Immigration and Nationality Act, but also those who qualify under provisions for family unity and for immediate relatives to live within the U.S. as well.
https://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2015/03/08/social-security-5-surprising-facts-about-noncitize.aspx

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households
In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are i*****l i*******ts and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including i*****l i*******ts) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

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