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Nov 28, 2020 14:18:14   #
moldyoldy
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, Donald Trump didn't build fences around his peanut farm, he built hotels and golf courses.

President Trump did not authorize a poorly conceived and ill-fated mission to rescue American hostages in Iran, a mission that failed and got 8 US troops k**led. President Trump green lighted 2 military missions that turned two terrorist superstars into Hadji hamburger. One of them was Iran's premier attack dog, the other the leader of ISIS.


Amazing how our most elite troops suddenly become keystone cops.

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Nov 28, 2020 14:20:43   #
moldyoldy
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The October Surprise conspiracy theory was a fabrication.

The investigative journalism TV series Frontline produced a 1991 documentary which "investigated startling new evidence about how both the Carter and Reagan camps may have tried to forge secret deals for the Iranian hostages during the 1980 p**********l campaign.

Gary Sick wrote an editorial for The New York Times in April 1991, and a book (October Surprise: America's Hostages in Iran and the E******n of Ronald Reagan), published in November 1991, on the subject. Sick's credibility was boosted by the fact that he was a retired naval captain, served on Ford's, Carter's, and Reagan's National Security Council. Sick admitted that "The story is tangled and murky, and it may never be fully unraveled." He was unable to prove his claims.

In August 1991, freelance writer Danny Casolaro (among others) claimed to be almost ready to expose the alleged October surprise conspiracy. Casolaro committed suicide before he published anything.

Newsweek magazine conducted an investigation, reporting in November 1991 that most, if not all, of the charges made were groundless.

Steven Emerson and Jesse Furman of The New Republic also looked into the allegations and reported, in November 1991, that "the conspiracy as currently postulated is a total fabrication". They were unable to verify any of the evidence presented by Sick and supporters, finding them to be inconsistent and contradictory in nature. They also pointed out that nearly every witness of Sick's had either been indicted or was under investigation by the Department of Justice. Like the Newsweek investigation, they had also debunked the claims of Reagan e******n campaign officials being in Paris during the time frame that Sick specified, contradicting Sick's sources.

Retired CIA analyst and counter-intelligence officer Frank Snepp of The Village Voice reviewed Sick's allegations, publishing an article in February 1992. Snepp alleged that Sick had only interviewed half of the sources used in his book, and supposedly relied on hearsay from unreliable sources for large amounts of critical material. Snepp also discovered that Sick had sold the rights to his book to Oliver Stone in 1989. After going through evidence presented by Richard Brenneke, Snepp asserted that Brenneke's credit card receipts showed him to be in Portland, Oregon, during the time he claimed to be in Paris observing the secret meeting.

The US Senate's investigation in November 1992 concluded that "by any standard, the credible evidence now known falls far short of supporting the allegation of an agreement between the Reagan campaign and Iran to delay the release of the hostages."

The House of Representatives' January 1993 report concluded "there is no credible evidence supporting any attempt by the Reagan p**********l campaign—or persons associated with the campaign—to delay the release of the American hostages in Iran". The task force Chairman Lee H. Hamilton also added that the vast majority of the sources and material reviewed by the committee were "wholesale fabricators or were impeached by documentary evidence". The report also expressed the belief that several witnesses had committed perjury during their sworn statements to the committee, among them Richard Brenneke, who claimed to be a CIA agent.
The October Surprise conspiracy theory was a fabri... (show quote)


Iran contra, guns for hostages, CIA cocaine business, all connected.

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Nov 29, 2020 06:58:05   #
John Meoff
 
PeterS wrote:
And it's really so simple--no wonder Trump would never think of it...



He has been an exemplary ex-president.

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Nov 29, 2020 10:14:43   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The real crime was Reagan making a deal to keep the hostages until after the e******n.


Oh good grief, prove it!
Here's yer f**g.



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Nov 29, 2020 10:57:15   #
John Meoff
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Which was also illegal. Hmmm, that sounds a lot like nixon telling the Vietnamese to wait until after the e******n before agreeing to any cease fire. Both repubs I see, is this a pattern of treasonous behavior?


Those two charges, the twin October surprises were investigated by many, reporters and others,and found untrue. We have the same situation with Trump & Russia, yet the charges persist. I forget who it was who said you'd be surprised at how much baloney one person can swallow.

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Nov 29, 2020 13:15:54   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
PeterS wrote:
And it's really so simple--no wonder Trump would never think of it...


O M G hahahahahaha!!!!!! Look how big his gloves are, I'm a Carpenter and never have seen anyone dressed like that WTF

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Nov 29, 2020 13:18:37   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
Ronald Hatt wrote:
"simple", corrupt, evil, & Anti-American......describes most all "Dyed in the wool".....Libr****ds!

PATRIOTIC, GOD FEARING, SELF RESPONSIBILITY, MORALITY, INTEGRITY, & PURPOSE FILLED LIVES......" DESCRIBES", MOST "STRAIGHT UP CONSERVATIVES"!

SODOM, & GOMHORAH ...DESCRIBES THE LIFE PHILOSOPHY OF MOST *DEMONCRATS!

Anyone { *DEMONCRATS}....that would "set out to destroy our Constitutional v****g process".....is just plain "Evil, & A-Moral"....& simply has no place in today's "up-scale" Society!
"simple", corrupt, evil, & Anti-Amer... (show quote)


Come on Man don't give them that much credit,!! The word is DemoCRAPS !!!!!!

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Nov 29, 2020 13:20:23   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
11Bravo wrote:
Scared of his own shadow-Remember The Hostages-burning our embassy etc. Same soft smooth voice like LBJ & bozo joe as our hostages suffered in captivity. WEAK !! OVER HIS HEAD !! NO CLUE ON WHAT TO DO !!


Sooooo Rite !!!

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Nov 29, 2020 15:03:13   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
11Bravo wrote:
Scared of his own shadow-Remember The Hostages-burning our embassy etc. Same soft smooth voice like LBJ & bozo joe as our hostages suffered in captivity. WEAK !! OVER HIS HEAD !! NO CLUE ON WHAT TO DO !!


Blame Bush for the hostage situation. He paid the Iranian radicals to keep the hostages. This has been proven years ago.

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Nov 29, 2020 15:29:38   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Blame Bush for the hostage situation. He paid the Iranian radicals to keep the hostages. This has been proven years ago.


But it had nothing to do with Joe or his f*""®©© Boss.,you know ? He could have done something about it but Didn't ;!!!!!!

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Nov 29, 2020 17:12:19   #
PeterS
 
American Vet wrote:
Does that include giving away the Panama Canal and letting the radical Islams take over Iran?

We aren't a colonial nation--Panama never belonged to us. As for radical Islam. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Look at our own country--you can't stop the insane...

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Nov 29, 2020 17:18:07   #
PeterS
 
Dwbill wrote:
O M G hahahahahaha!!!!!! Look how big his gloves are, I'm a Carpenter and never have seen anyone dressed like that WTF

And where did he claim to be a carpenter? Because of him, over 5,000 houses have been built--and all of that after being president. How old are you? What size glove are you going to wear when you are 96 years old?

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Nov 29, 2020 17:36:34   #
American Vet
 
PeterS wrote:
We aren't a colonial nation--Panama never belonged to us. As for radical Islam. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Look at our own country--you can't stop the insane...


Never said Panama ‘belonged’ to us so your comment is entirely irrelevant.

Indeed - those fundamentalist are insane; r**ting, l**ting, burning in Portland and Seattle and Michigan.....crazy.

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Nov 29, 2020 17:43:05   #
Auntie Dee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, Donald Trump didn't build fences around his peanut farm, he built hotels and golf courses.

President Trump did not authorize a poorly conceived and ill-fated mission to rescue American hostages in Iran, a mission that failed and got 8 US troops k**led. President Trump green lighted 2 military missions that turned two terrorist superstars into Hadji hamburger. One of them was Iran's premier attack dog, the other the leader of ISIS.



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Nov 29, 2020 17:55:39   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
American Vet wrote:
Never said Panama ‘belonged’ to us so your comment is entirely irrelevant.

Indeed - those fundamentalist are insane; r**ting, l**ting, burning in Portland and Seattle and Michigan.....crazy.


Did they put their snakes away before the r**ting, l**ting and burning?

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