currahee506

He is correct. It is possible only for the machine itself after it has been programmed. But it is possible to take a sledgehammer and to destroy it.

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straightUp Loc: California

No such fraud has been proven by anyone yet, so it's absurd that you would actually sit there and say it wasn't done like that.


The v****g machines don't work without software Dee. The software is functionally as much part of the machine as the hardware is... What you are trying to say here is no different than saying well, the person may not have committed murder, but his mind which caused him to shoot someone did.



There are probably thousands of ways fraud can occur, just in the software alone... Here's an even easier possibility...

If Trump gets four v**es in a row, don't count the last one and wait until Biden gets at least one v**e before counting anymore Trump v**es. Here's how that might look...



Here's the thing... Just because I just described one out a thousand ways to write software to c***t an e******n doesn't mean it actually happened!!!

This has been the basis for the entire argument presented by Trump's team of slimy lawyers from day 1. I just watched Giuliani's press conference a second time... One and a half hours of pure speculation presented as "direct" evidence. Most legal teams can spot that in a second and that's why the courts are tossing these arguments out while rolling their eyes.

So why do they do it? They do it to buy time... They are trying to hold up the certification as long as possible while Trump and his team desperately try to figure out how they can overturn the e******n. I'm curious as to what they come up with.

straightUp Loc: California

Thank you for educating us on your inability to explain or understand anything.

straightUp Loc: California

What he is saying is that safeguards have been included as part of the design. Of course, you are correct in saying it's possible regardless, but the odds do in fact change.

Now all you have to understand is that you can't accuse someone of c***ting just because it's possible.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Just over four and a half years ago, Donald Trump announced his candidacy for POTUS. Immediately he was mocked, so many fools thought he was a joke. But he blew through 16 GOP candidates - governors, former governors, and congressmen and women among them - and won the nomination. He campaigned with more energy and commitment than any president in recent history and defeated the Hillaryian queen.

I don't know nor do I wish to know why or when any of you Trump h**ers began to h**e the man. Maybe you despised him when he was a real estate tycoon, or when he was a TV celeb, maybe you h**ed him when he won the e******n, or more probably you were taught to h**e him. Most likely the Donald Trump you h**e is the one manufactured by democrats and their media mouthpieces, the one they built by taking pieces of his former life and fabricating such a fantastic false image of the man that you could not help but h**e him.

On the very day he announced his candidacy, the fabrication began, and it was the demonized caricature of president Trump upon whom the left declared their war.

For four and a half years, the democrat socialists and their propaganda machine tried every dirty trick in the book to oust him from office, to condemn, vilify, excoriate, and slander him. You dug into every corner of the man's life, attacked his wife, his family, his friends and associates, and his supporters. You investigated him, destroyed the lives of men around him, you rewrote Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution and impeached him. You mocked him, condemned every thing he has done, threatened his life, wished him dead, called him every obscene pejorative you could think of or make up. You branded him a T*****r, a Hitler, a F*****t, a r****t, an anti-Semite, a xenophobe, a murderer, a rapist, and a pus filled anus.

And, in all of this protracted manifest wickedness, your sole objective was to kick his ass out of the White House and throw him in prison.

Now, you are trying to tell us there was no attempt whatsoever to corrupt the e******n process in order to o*******w his ree******n? My, oh my, what deluded hypocrites the collective masses truly are.


To file a civil complaint all you need a reasonable basis in fact and law, allegations can be made on information and belief. A motion to dismiss by the defense tests the legal sufficiency of the complaint. So, assuming everything in the complaint is true is how the judge looks at it - does it state a claim upon which relief can be granted. So, for a motion to dismiss, everything is assumed to be true and all reasonable inferences are granted to the plaintiff.

Expedited discovery can be granted by the court when injunctive relief is sought, such as a temporary restraining order and/or a preliminary injunction. Depending on the need for proper resolution, discovery can be ordered immediately. (Courts have the power to speed discovery along, and very fast.)

People do not file in civil court with reams and reams of "evidence". Reason being, there has not yet been discovery. They are simply trying to gather enough information where it looks like a reasonable basis exists in fact and law for the allegations being made.

In any civil court filing, the Plaintiff argument is, "On a reasonable basis in fact and law, I have enough information here to make an allegation, and we want the opportunity to pursue our law suit and conduct discovery - written discovery, document demands, depositions, witness lists, and we want this done quickly."



D******n Weakness: Little is known about the security of D******n’s own IT systems

US E******n Companies: Wharton asserts US e******ns are “characterized by a consolidated, highly concentrated market dominated by a few vendors, where industry growth and competition is consolidated.” Three companies rule, E******n Systems & Software (ES&S), D******n, and Hart InterCivic, used by 92% of US v**ers, as D******n services 40%. Smartmatic is another big US player.

D******n History: D******n, founded by Canadian John Poulos in 2000, is now owned by Staple Street Capital LLC, says Bloomberg. Writes Forbes, “In 2009, Diebold E******n Systems was sold to its competitor, ES&S, and in 2010 selling to D******n V****g Systems” gaining “all intellectual property, software, firmware, and hardware.” D******n and Smartmatic contracted for 2010 and 2013 Philippines e******ns where claims of malfunction and fraud abounded. In 2016, seventy-one million v**ers in 1,635 jurisdictions used D******n, also tied to the Clinton Foundation, and a $2.25 million project together. Robert Mueller’s firm Wilmer Hale was their agent in 2004. D******n outsources components to China “...down to the chip component level.”

D******n Weakness: Little is known about the security of D******n’s own IT systems. Becker lists D******n problems in 2020. Writes Forbes:


“How can a vendor sell a v****g system with this many vulnerabilities?”

“Former WH Cybersecurity Coordinator, Michael Daniel, notes v****g machine companies aren’t known for cybersecurity expertise. Jake Stauffer, AF cyber analyst tested D******n v****g systems for CA, observing: “I’ve found for v****g systems, security isn’t taken very seriously.” Testing, Staufer found vulnerabilities in D******n’s Democracy Suite (DDC) v****g equipment enabling remote code execution, denial of service attacks, and off-line b****t tampering. “How can a vendor sell a v****g system with this many vulnerabilities?” he asks.”

Texas Rejects 2020: Washingtonwatch reported, “Texas rejected D******n 3 times for e******ns.

“The examiner identified multiple hardware & software issues precluding Office of Texas Sec of State from determining DDC system satisfies each v****g-system requirement set forth in TX E******n Code. Specifically, the examiner reports raise concerns whether DDC system is suitable for intended purpose; operates efficiently and accurately; and is safe from fraudulent or unauthorized manipulation.”

D******n Glitches: Of failures Brietbart states: “The e******n software “glitching” in GA & MI, which incorrectly gave Joe Biden thousands of v**es, is used in 28 states, according to the software company’s website.” When D******n blamed a day-before “update,” Politico wrote, “Supervisor, Marcia Ridley of Spalding County Board E******ns says records show no such update occurred…That is something that they don’t ever do. I’ve never seen them update anything the day before the e******n.” D******n then corrected this, admitting last update was Oct 31. Does this reveal fraud?




Tainted companies threatening to destroy Trump’s original blowout victory over feeble Joe

D******n Source Code Origin: The origin of D******n’s source code is especially problematic, given Smartmatic being “adopted” by Hugo Chavez in 2004, subsidized, trained to build v**e machines and code, then used to rig an e******n. And then Smartmatic acquired Sequoia in 2005, using it to evolve their software until selling in 2007 to D******n. Smartmatic even went to court to preserve their right to use the code they developed. In other words, everything that was developed by Smartmatic and Sequoia, including the software allowing b****t fraud in Hugo Chavez’ failed recall, was passed onto D******n.

E******n Company Tabulating U.S. V**es Manipulated Millions of V**es, FLIPPED E******NS in Venezuela, Brazil, Philippines

CONCLUSION: D******n Systems Hidden Power: Smartmatic machines were created for 2004 Venezuela e******ns, organized and funded by recipient Hugo Chavez. Then D******n inherited it all. But questions still swirl regarding if D******n is just a front for Smartmatic, It’s no surprise a massive fraud envelops all these tainted companies threatening to destroy Trump’s original blowout victory over feeble Joe. Was the 1 million ghost b****t dump by Smartmatic in Venezuela’s 2017 e******n an accident, or v**e f***d? Here is the key question: If the engineers who ran D******n wanted to commit massive b****t fraud against a US candidate, based on everything we know – Is there anything that could have stopped them?

straightUp Loc: California

Software security is a huge industry and although you can never achieve 100% security you CAN reduce the odds of compromise. What I find so much more fascinating though is the fact that these software systems only apply to v****g machines, not mail in b****ts and it wasn't until the mail in b****ts were being counted by hand that the Democrats took over the leads in states like PA.

That actually means the v****g machines that you folks are all saying is corrupt was putting Trump in the lead not Biden and when the v****g machines were taken out of the picture the Democrats took over the lead. So you go ahead and chase your own tail... I'm just going to crack another beer and laugh my ass off.

Rose42

I never accused anyone of c***ting and know exactly what he's saying. It wouldn't be wise of him to say anything else.

Rose42

Yes you can reduce the odds of compromise. Yet there are always holes and always those out there who can exploit them.

{sigh} "You folks" tend to lump everyone together. I never said there was anything wrong with the machines, I merely said tampering was possible.

I'm not chasing anything but am amused at your conclusions.

straightUp Loc: California

Yes, we thought he was a joke because he was so underqualified. We didn't need 4 years and a college degree to figure that one out. But as we all learned, even a joke can be elected... apparently. Those 16 GOP candidates BTW all sucked so no big surprise there. And he only beat Hillary because half the Democrats were divided. Even then, he had to rely on the EC because he lost the popular v**e by 3 million.


I never liked him because of the way he treats people but it was always easy enough to tune him out ...at least until he became president.

During the 2016 e******n, I just thought he was unqualified. During his years in the White House my judgement has been based entirely on his actions. For some reason deplorables are always trying to make it a personal thing...
"Oh, you just h**e him."
"uh, nooo... I h**e his ACTIONS."
"No, you h**e HIM!"
"OK. Wh**ever, dude."


Dude, Trump came to office on a cart filled with lawsuits and scandals - there was no need to fabricate anything. You folks just refused to believe any of it.


puss-filled anus... I like that one.




Really? THAT's your argument? LOL

Look, a motive might help a prosecutor develop a case but it's never been considered enough to prove a crime without any evidence. You can't send someone to jail for having a motive. You need *evidence*; and NO, a motive is NOT evidence.


So, all this is saying is that you don't need evidence to file a suit. So what? Are you saying that Democrats are preventing Trump's lawyers from filing lawsuits? If so, think again. Trump's lawyers are obviously filing all kinds of lawsuits. Thing is... now you have to prove the crime. At SOME point you HAVE to present evidence. Otherwise, the judge (having already validated the claim) will dismiss the case for a lack of evidence.

In the private sector, the total waste of time is not such a big deal because the prosecution that pointed fingers but couldn't prove it, pays the expenses. What's going to happen in this case? Will Trump's lawyers be paid by the Trump campaign (which is already in debt) or the U.S.Treasury (which is now in more debt than ever)?



OK... maybe these types of articles should have disclaimers that say: "we assume the reader has a basic understanding of information technology."

I spent 15 years consulting with Fortune 500 companies on the use of computer systems for extracting "business intelligence" from their operational data. My clients bought software from one of a handful of vendors and I helped them integrate that into their own environment. The software my clients bought provided the algorithms but the variables were all up to the client and with that all the games. Trust me, I've had plenty of conversations with managers that want to play smoke and mirrors.

The point I am making is that these companies did not hand over their data or their operations to the companies that make the software. From what I understand these e******n systems don't work that way either. If some government using software X corrupted their e******ns, it doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen in another country using the same software. That would be like saying that because some rock star crashed his Maserati and died, that everyone else buying a Maserati will do the same.

As absurd as that is, this is exactly what Team Trump is suggesting... I think they are again trying to leverage the ignorance of his core base to agitate a popular reaction. I've actually heard a Trump supporter suggest that our v**es were actually being counted in the Philippines using a system designed in Venezuela. She was so upset I thought she was going to have a seizure. I tried to tell her but she just raised her voice at me and said "you don't understand!!!" That's when my friend leaned toward me and said... "shhhh".

Seriously, y'all could use some 21st century 101. It might help with your freak outs.

straightUp Loc: California

To answer your "key" question... Yes.

Before I explain that let me ask YOU a question...

Why do you think these companies are tainted? I don't see the logic. Just because D******n inherited the Smartmatic product line doesn't mean they are tainted. Systems get inherited all the time. Or is it because Smartmatic's initial product was commissioned by Hugo Chavez? All the more reason to trust it if you ask me and no, I'm not just saying that to annoy conservatives ('cause I KNOW it does) There's actually logic involved. As much as I'm sure you think Chavez is evil, he was actually extremely popular amongst the Venezuelan people, all the way up to his death. So it would be in HIS best interest to get a true reading from the democracy, not a f**e one. His opponents on the other hand have gone so far as to make attempts on his life have all the motives you have heaped on the Democrats to overturn the democracy.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Hugo Chavez makes a great endorsement for e******n systems.

Now about my answer to your question...

You asked... "If the engineers who ran D******n wanted to commit massive b****t fraud against a US candidate, based on everything we know – Is there anything that could have stopped them?"

My answer is yes, the system itself. The system itself is most likely incapable of massive b****t fraud against any specific candidate and I say this because a specific candidate is a variable and engineers don't have access to production variables. They build the algorithms. I'm not saying it's impossible but I am saying it would be highly improbable.

I tell ya what... why don't you explain to me how Venezuelan engineers in 2004 can write code that will cause massive fraud for a specific candidate running in the 2020 U.S. e******n? I'd love to read what you come up with. Oh, and don't rely on obvious tricks like backdoors because those are actually more obvious than people think and security scanners can find them.

Finally... one last thing to wrap things up and this gets back to what you said earlier about the motives that Democrats have to corrupt the system. One thing needs to be clear. There is without question, more of us than there is of you. Republicans have only won the popular v**e twice in the last seven e******ns. In 2016 Trump lost the popular v**e by 3 million. This time around he's losing by 5 million. Trump never even reached a 50% approval rating.

If the Democrats have a motive, it would be the same motive Chavez had, given his majority support... The same motive ANY candidate would have if he knows he has the majority of the people behind him... The motive to make sure the e******n is clean and secure as possible.

straightUp Loc: California

Yeah, that's fine.


Yes, but I think any such breach is FAR, FAR, FAR more likely to happen in the data not the algorithm. Which means the blame would be on the state not the software company.


Yeah, stereotyping... well all tend to do it. I understand your point... tampering is possible. I just don't see that possibility as evidence that it actually happened, do you?


Just keep in mind, my conclusions are related to probability.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

But why would a v****g machine count the v**es in decimals? Unless they were designed to be manipulated?

straightUp Loc: California

I don't know if the system actually counts the v**es using decimals (I doubt it), or if that's just the way they present the data (far more likely), or if either situation is true but there can certainly be plenty of reasons for using a decimal format, especially when dealing with large numbers.

For instance, the most recent official count gives Biden 79,886,244 v**es. In the algorithm it's probably entered as 79886244. But in the output the number can be t***slated to a larger denominator like a million to make the number smaller and hopefully easier to understand... in this case it would be 79.886244 and of course you can round up the numbers depending on your focus, to something like 79.9 which is easier to grasp, but that only affects the output not the counting. Another user can ask for full precision and get the full count of 79.886244.

I'm only speculating here and even then, only to answer your question. The fact is, a decimal format is NOT required to manipulate numbers... that can happen in ANY format.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

Thanks