What did biden do for Americans in 40 years of being Senator and than 8 yrs as VP?? (Page 3): The highest mortality rate in the country is the Navajo Nation. Maybe in the world.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

GoCubs wrote:

Obviously, no shutdowns, etc. were necessary during H1N1. Trump did nothing but ignore C***d. That is why he lost the e******n.

The highest mortality rate in the country is the Navajo Nation. Maybe in the world. 13,000 dead out of a population of 170,000 people. They’ve been on lockdown for close to a year.

woodguru

proud republican wrote:

I'm waiting!!! Go.....

More than you or your parents ever did coming to this country

woodguru

JFlorio wrote:

The highest mortality rate in the country is the Navajo Nation. Maybe in the world. 600 dead out of a population of 170,000 people. They’ve been on lockdown for close to a year.

250,000 people dead, and this makes this better because....?

GoCubs Loc: Earth

lindajoy wrote:

He did~~ showed he has nothing.<~lololl

Wow. Thanks a lot lj.

tbutkovich

GoCubs wrote:

Great point. They all forget (hell, half of 'em don't even realize or remember it) that trump had been a life long democrat 'til 2014 or 2015. Excellent point!

He saw the light while you Bimbos are still wandering around in the darkness!

GoCubs Loc: Earth

tbutkovich wrote:

He saw the light while you Bimbos are still wandering around in the darkness!

Outstanding contribution.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

GoCubs wrote:

Obviously, no shutdowns, etc. were necessary during H1N1. Trump did nothing but ignore C***d. That is why he lost the e******n.

I think you forgot to set your alarm clock, you're still asleep, you should have been awake a long time ago.

Operation Warp Speed

Last Thursday, PRESIDENT TRUMP announced 100 MILLION DOSES of the new, FDA approved V*****E would be AVAILABLE SOON, with 600 million doses soon to follow. Medical personnel, first responders, the elderly and high risk Americans are first on the list to receive the v*****e, then it will be made available TO ALL AMERICANS. In all instances, the v******tion will be FREE OF CHARGE.

Biden's solution to the C***d crisis is a nationwide mask mandate and lock downs. Think about that.

Inside Joe Biden’s flawed response to 2009 swine flu p******c

Democratic p**********l nominee Joe Biden has talked up the Obama administration’s handling of the 2009 swine flu p******c that he oversaw as vice president — but the response was far from flawless. according to a new report.

The then-fledgling administration’s efforts were hamstrung by muddled messaging and overly ambitious promises that sowed false hope, Obama-era officials told Politico.

Upon learning in April 2009 of the deadly strain’s vicious tear through Mexico and collision course with America, Biden called for early action, then-homeland security adviser John Brennan recalled to the outlet.

“Listen, we need to be aggressive early on this,” the vice president said, according to Brennan.

Within a week, Biden took to NBC’s “Today” show and issued a fire-and-brimstone proclamation.

“I wouldn’t go anywhere in confined places right now,” Biden told the morning show. “It’s not that it’s going to Mexico, it’s that you are in a confined aircraft. When one person sneezes, it goes everywhere through the aircraft.”

Airlines accused Biden of instilling panic among fliers, and White House officials were forced to walk back the comments, which clashed with President Obama’s own message of cautious calm.

In another administration blunder, then-Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius publicly announced that 100 million doses of a v*****e would be available by October 2009.

While the figure jibed with an earlier estimate of 120 million made by the v*****e’s manufacturers, it didn’t factor in unforeseen production complications of which the administration was already aware, according to Politico.

The administration gradually revised its promise down to 40 million — but by October, as few as 11 million doses were available, according to one ABC News report cited by Politico.

By that point, some 22 million Americans had been infected, according to estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cited in the report.

Biden took point on the White House’s response to the outbreak, multiple administration officials told Politico.

All told, the strain is believed to have infected about 84 million Americans, and k**led between 8,330 and 17,160.

President Trump has publicly critiqued his presumed November opponent’s handling of the swine flu crisis, even as Biden has argued that the experience makes him uniquely qualified to lead America on the long road to recovery.

Top Biden Advisor: Yeah, We Really Screwed Up Swine Flu and are Lucky More Americans Didn't Die

During an event at the National Press Club in Washington D.C., Biden campaign advisor Ron Klein, who also worked for Vice President Biden in the White House and led the response to the Ebola outbreak, explained how the Obama administration did "everything wrong" in response to the 2009 swine flu crisis.

"I wasn't involved directly in the H1N1 response but I lived through it as a White House staffer and what I would say about it is a bunch of really talented, really great people were working on it and we did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 during that period of time. It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It was just luck.

After the national strategic stockpile was depleted, the Obama administration failed to refill it. When W***n c****av***s hit, it was severely lacking in much needed personal protective equipment and other supplies.

After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile, which is maintained by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

That didn’t happen, according to Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Assn.

The stockpile drew down about 100 million masks during the 2009 epidemic, Johnson said.

“Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.

Biden has fought a p******c before. It did not go smoothly. (Long and detailed)

It was April 2009 and the 3-month-old Obama administration was desperately grappling with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression when homeland security adviser John Brennan arrived at the Oval Office to warn the president and Vice President Joe Biden of a new crisis: H1N1, the swine flu v***s, was showing signs of rapid spread in Mexico, while cases were popping up in California and Texas.

Brennan pointed out that the Spanish flu — the deadliest p******c in U.S. history — was an H1N1 strain. “It made their eyebrows go up,” Brennan says now, recalling Biden’s reaction in particular.

“‘Listen, we need to be aggressive early on this,’” Biden announced, according to Brennan.

The next week, Biden made good on his pledge — and set off a deluge of criticism. In an interview on NBC’s “Today,” Biden said he wouldn’t advise his family to fly on planes or ride the subway.

“I wouldn’t go anywhere in confined places right now," Biden said. "It’s not that it’s going to Mexico, it’s that you are in a confined aircraft. When one person sneezes, it goes everywhere through the aircraft.”

Airlines angrily accused Biden of fearmongering. Media reports noted that Biden’s pessimism contrasted sharply with the reassurances President Barack Obama had given a day earlier, when he said there was no need to panic even as he declared a national health emergency. In a matter of hours, T***sportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Deputy Secretary of State Jack Lew were summoned to the White House and assigned to clean up the mess Biden made: “Nip it in the bud,” LaHood said, recalling their instructions.

By 4 p.m., the three officials were hosting a news conference and backing away from the vice president’s words.

The snafu was the first of many scrambles and setbacks by the Obama administration in its initial response to the swine flu. POLITICO interviewed almost two dozen people, including administration officials, members of Congress and outsiders who contended with the administration’s response, and they described a litany of sadly familiar obstacles: v*****e shortfalls, fights over funding and sometimes contradictory messaging.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a v***s with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”

Over the course of a year, the H1N1 flu infected 60 million Americans, but claimed only 12,469 lives, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Klain now says his comments, which were made at a biosecurity summit, referred solely to the administration’s difficulties in producing enough of an H1N1 v*****e to meet public demand. The Obama team, he says, quickly adapted to the situation, making choices that were starkly different from those the Trump administration would make 11 years later, such as quickly distributing emergency equipment from the federal stockpile, deferring to public health experts and having them take the lead on messaging.

Now, as Biden prepares to take on President Donald Trump in a p**********l e******n marked by a far more lethal p******c, Klain and other Biden intimates have seized on the idea that the former vice president is the man for this moment. Having played pivotal roles in the government’s response to H1N1 and Ebola, Biden himself has insisted he is uniquely equipped to confront the c****av***s p******c. Obama, too, lauded Biden’s contributions.

“Joe helped me manage H1N1 and prevent the Ebola epidemic from becoming the type of p******c we're seeing now,” Obama said in endorsing Biden.

But an extensive review of the handling of H1N1, including the examination of public records and congressional testimony, suggests the response was not the panacea portrayed by the Biden camp and its defenders: Biden’s role, while significant, was not equivalent to leading the response. He was the administration’s main liaison to governors and Congress and succeeded in securing funding from skeptical leaders. Biden’s attempt at messaging, via the “Today” interview, proved that he, at least, took the threat of a p******c very seriously. But by issuing warnings that others in the administration weren’t prepared to endorse, he contributed to a muddled message.

Biden declined to comment, but former officials described a White House, still in its infancy, bogged down by seismic economic challenges and struggling to keep its signature promise for a universal health care plan. With a Health and Human Services Department still bereft of more than a dozen officials — including the Cabinet secretary — the Obama team now had a fast-moving p******c with unknown lethality bearing down on them.

After an initial run of problems — including an inability to contain the v***s and slower-than-expected development of a v*****e — they say they learned quickly and generated a better response both in the later stages of H1N1 and then, five years later, in confronting the much more lethal Ebola v***s.

They listened to the scientists. They got Congress on board. They put experts out in front of the public. And they righted messaging, adopting an acronym that would serve as a linchpin in averting future snafus: PTFOTV — Put Tony F***i on TV.

A K**ler of Children

H1N1 entered the U.S. population at the opposite end of the age spectrum as the novel c****av***s: The most vulnerable people were under 30, a realization that would come to worry parents across the country.

In one CDC study, children between the ages of 5 and 14 were found to be 14 times more likely to be infected than those 60 or older.

The first case emerged on April 15, when a 10-year-old in California tested positive for a v***s “unknown to humans,” according to a CDC analysis. Two days later, an 8-year-old in another part of California tested positive for the same v***s. The two children had no known contact.

While the CDC began to assess the significance of this development, Obama was in Mexico making a ritual courtesy call on then-President Felipe Calderón. Brennan was part of Obama’s entourage. At one point, Obama, Brennan and others in the visiting party went to Mexico City’s famed anthropological museum for a private tour by the director.

A week later, the museum director, Felipe Solis, died of flu-like symptoms. While his ailment was initially thought to be H1N1, doctors later surmised that he had suffered from an unrelated form of pneumonia. But the notion that a famous man who had just spent hours with the president might have carried the mystery v***s served to underscore its risks.

The CDC quickly began trying to replicate the v***s in a way that would lead to a v*****e — a process that was far more advanced for flu than c****av***ses. On April 25, just a few days after Brennan gave his Oval Office briefing to Obama and Biden, the World Health Organization declared a public health emergency. A day later, Obama did the same, triggering a release of supplies from the national stockpile, including antiv***l drugs, personal protective equipment and respirators. On April 28, two days after Obama declared the emergency, the FDA approved an H1N1 test.

That same day, Obama’s health team finally got a leader, as the Senate confirmed Kathleen Sebelius as HHS secretary.

<SNIP>

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

woodguru wrote:

More than you or your parents ever did coming to this country

You don't know s**t about my family or what they had to go through to come to the most GREATEST country in the world ! ! So if I were you , I would STFU!!!!

GoCubs Loc: Earth

Blade_Runner wrote:

I think you forgot to set your alarm clock, you're still asleep, you should have been awake a long time ago.

Operation Warp Speed

Last Thursday, PRESIDENT TRUMP announced 100 MILLION DOSES of the new, FDA approved V*****E would be AVAILABLE SOON, with 600 million doses soon to follow. Medical personnel, first responders, the elderly and high risk Americans are first on the list to receive the v*****e, then it will be made available TO ALL AMERICANS. In all instances, the v******tion will be FREE OF CHARGE.

Biden's solution to the C***d crisis is a nationwide mask mandate and lock downs. Think about that.

Inside Joe Biden’s flawed response to 2009 swine flu p******c

Democratic p**********l nominee Joe Biden has talked up the Obama administration’s handling of the 2009 swine flu p******c that he oversaw as vice president — but the response was far from flawless. according to a new report.

The then-fledgling administration’s efforts were hamstrung by muddled messaging and overly ambitious promises that sowed false hope, Obama-era officials told Politico.

Upon learning in April 2009 of the deadly strain’s vicious tear through Mexico and collision course with America, Biden called for early action, then-homeland security adviser John Brennan recalled to the outlet.

“Listen, we need to be aggressive early on this,” the vice president said, according to Brennan.

Within a week, Biden took to NBC’s “Today” show and issued a fire-and-brimstone proclamation.

“I wouldn’t go anywhere in confined places right now,” Biden told the morning show. “It’s not that it’s going to Mexico, it’s that you are in a confined aircraft. When one person sneezes, it goes everywhere through the aircraft.”

Airlines accused Biden of instilling panic among fliers, and White House officials were forced to walk back the comments, which clashed with President Obama’s own message of cautious calm.

In another administration blunder, then-Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius publicly announced that 100 million doses of a v*****e would be available by October 2009.

While the figure jibed with an earlier estimate of 120 million made by the v*****e’s manufacturers, it didn’t factor in unforeseen production complications of which the administration was already aware, according to Politico.

The administration gradually revised its promise down to 40 million — but by October, as few as 11 million doses were available, according to one ABC News report cited by Politico.

By that point, some 22 million Americans had been infected, according to estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cited in the report.

Biden took point on the White House’s response to the outbreak, multiple administration officials told Politico.

All told, the strain is believed to have infected about 84 million Americans, and k**led between 8,330 and 17,160.

President Trump has publicly critiqued his presumed November opponent’s handling of the swine flu crisis, even as Biden has argued that the experience makes him uniquely qualified to lead America on the long road to recovery.

Top Biden Advisor: Yeah, We Really Screwed Up Swine Flu and are Lucky More Americans Didn't Die

During an event at the National Press Club in Washington D.C., Biden campaign advisor Ron Klein, who also worked for Vice President Biden in the White House and led the response to the Ebola outbreak, explained how the Obama administration did "everything wrong" in response to the 2009 swine flu crisis.

"I wasn't involved directly in the H1N1 response but I lived through it as a White House staffer and what I would say about it is a bunch of really talented, really great people were working on it and we did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 during that period of time. It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It was just luck.

After the national strategic stockpile was depleted, the Obama administration failed to refill it. When W***n c****av***s hit, it was severely lacking in much needed personal protective equipment and other supplies.

After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile, which is maintained by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

That didn’t happen, according to Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Assn.

The stockpile drew down about 100 million masks during the 2009 epidemic, Johnson said.

“Our association is unaware of any major effort to restore the stockpile to cover that drawdown,” he said.

Biden has fought a p******c before. It did not go smoothly. (Long and detailed)

It was April 2009 and the 3-month-old Obama administration was desperately grappling with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression when homeland security adviser John Brennan arrived at the Oval Office to warn the president and Vice President Joe Biden of a new crisis: H1N1, the swine flu v***s, was showing signs of rapid spread in Mexico, while cases were popping up in California and Texas.

Brennan pointed out that the Spanish flu — the deadliest p******c in U.S. history — was an H1N1 strain. “It made their eyebrows go up,” Brennan says now, recalling Biden’s reaction in particular.

“‘Listen, we need to be aggressive early on this,’” Biden announced, according to Brennan.

The next week, Biden made good on his pledge — and set off a deluge of criticism. In an interview on NBC’s “Today,” Biden said he wouldn’t advise his family to fly on planes or ride the subway.

“I wouldn’t go anywhere in confined places right now," Biden said. "It’s not that it’s going to Mexico, it’s that you are in a confined aircraft. When one person sneezes, it goes everywhere through the aircraft.”

Airlines angrily accused Biden of fearmongering. Media reports noted that Biden’s pessimism contrasted sharply with the reassurances President Barack Obama had given a day earlier, when he said there was no need to panic even as he declared a national health emergency. In a matter of hours, T***sportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Deputy Secretary of State Jack Lew were summoned to the White House and assigned to clean up the mess Biden made: “Nip it in the bud,” LaHood said, recalling their instructions.

By 4 p.m., the three officials were hosting a news conference and backing away from the vice president’s words.

The snafu was the first of many scrambles and setbacks by the Obama administration in its initial response to the swine flu. POLITICO interviewed almost two dozen people, including administration officials, members of Congress and outsiders who contended with the administration’s response, and they described a litany of sadly familiar obstacles: v*****e shortfalls, fights over funding and sometimes contradictory messaging.

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said of H1N1 in 2019. “It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that this can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a v***s with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that.”

Over the course of a year, the H1N1 flu infected 60 million Americans, but claimed only 12,469 lives, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Klain now says his comments, which were made at a biosecurity summit, referred solely to the administration’s difficulties in producing enough of an H1N1 v*****e to meet public demand. The Obama team, he says, quickly adapted to the situation, making choices that were starkly different from those the Trump administration would make 11 years later, such as quickly distributing emergency equipment from the federal stockpile, deferring to public health experts and having them take the lead on messaging.

Now, as Biden prepares to take on President Donald Trump in a p**********l e******n marked by a far more lethal p******c, Klain and other Biden intimates have seized on the idea that the former vice president is the man for this moment. Having played pivotal roles in the government’s response to H1N1 and Ebola, Biden himself has insisted he is uniquely equipped to confront the c****av***s p******c. Obama, too, lauded Biden’s contributions.

“Joe helped me manage H1N1 and prevent the Ebola epidemic from becoming the type of p******c we're seeing now,” Obama said in endorsing Biden.

But an extensive review of the handling of H1N1, including the examination of public records and congressional testimony, suggests the response was not the panacea portrayed by the Biden camp and its defenders: Biden’s role, while significant, was not equivalent to leading the response. He was the administration’s main liaison to governors and Congress and succeeded in securing funding from skeptical leaders. Biden’s attempt at messaging, via the “Today” interview, proved that he, at least, took the threat of a p******c very seriously. But by issuing warnings that others in the administration weren’t prepared to endorse, he contributed to a muddled message.

Biden declined to comment, but former officials described a White House, still in its infancy, bogged down by seismic economic challenges and struggling to keep its signature promise for a universal health care plan. With a Health and Human Services Department still bereft of more than a dozen officials — including the Cabinet secretary — the Obama team now had a fast-moving p******c with unknown lethality bearing down on them.

After an initial run of problems — including an inability to contain the v***s and slower-than-expected development of a v*****e — they say they learned quickly and generated a better response both in the later stages of H1N1 and then, five years later, in confronting the much more lethal Ebola v***s.

They listened to the scientists. They got Congress on board. They put experts out in front of the public. And they righted messaging, adopting an acronym that would serve as a linchpin in averting future snafus: PTFOTV — Put Tony F***i on TV.

A K**ler of Children

H1N1 entered the U.S. population at the opposite end of the age spectrum as the novel c****av***s: The most vulnerable people were under 30, a realization that would come to worry parents across the country.

In one CDC study, children between the ages of 5 and 14 were found to be 14 times more likely to be infected than those 60 or older.

The first case emerged on April 15, when a 10-year-old in California tested positive for a v***s “unknown to humans,” according to a CDC analysis. Two days later, an 8-year-old in another part of California tested positive for the same v***s. The two children had no known contact.

While the CDC began to assess the significance of this development, Obama was in Mexico making a ritual courtesy call on then-President Felipe Calderón. Brennan was part of Obama’s entourage. At one point, Obama, Brennan and others in the visiting party went to Mexico City’s famed anthropological museum for a private tour by the director.

A week later, the museum director, Felipe Solis, died of flu-like symptoms. While his ailment was initially thought to be H1N1, doctors later surmised that he had suffered from an unrelated form of pneumonia. But the notion that a famous man who had just spent hours with the president might have carried the mystery v***s served to underscore its risks.

The CDC quickly began trying to replicate the v***s in a way that would lead to a v*****e — a process that was far more advanced for flu than c****av***ses. On April 25, just a few days after Brennan gave his Oval Office briefing to Obama and Biden, the World Health Organization declared a public health emergency. A day later, Obama did the same, triggering a release of supplies from the national stockpile, including antiv***l drugs, personal protective equipment and respirators. On April 28, two days after Obama declared the emergency, the FDA approved an H1N1 test.

That same day, Obama’s health team finally got a leader, as the Senate confirmed Kathleen Sebelius as HHS secretary.

<SNIP>

I think you forgot to set your alarm clock, you're... (show quote)

They will be available LONG after he is in office and he had NOTHING to do with their development.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

GoCubs wrote:

They will be available LONG after he is in office and he had NOTHING to do with their development.

Lying POS.

Sicilianthing

proud republican wrote:

I'm waiting!!! Go.....

>>>

Still dwelling on the past huh ?

Do you have any idea what’s coming if Trump buckles ?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Sicilianthing wrote:

>>>

Still dwelling on the past huh ?

Do you have any idea what’s coming if Trump buckles ?

Do tell what's coming? It's been coming for the last 3 years ......And still didn't get here

GoCubs Loc: Earth

JFlorio wrote:

Lying POS.

Really? We'll see. By the way, do you ever post anything where you don't call people names? Ever?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

GoCubs wrote:

Really? We'll see. By the way, do you ever post anything where you don't call people names? Ever?

Only the liars. I'm as willing to debate with manners anytime. When you start telling lies or deflecting I'm done being civil. Especially with cowards. Many talk a big game behind their computer screen. Those on the left are my enemy. Period. We are heading towards civil War. Watching those on your side attack old ladies and people just trying to eat a late dinner in D. C. makes me sick. At least when I insult I leave my name and address out there for any to see. You have a problem with me, visit Florida and man up.

GoCubs Loc: Earth

JFlorio wrote:

Only the liars. I'm as willing to debate with mann... (show quote)

Who is talking a big game? You? Or me? Maybe try using your brain as a weapon when debating on a political forum? Or go to the boxing gym if not?