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Oct 28, 2020 19:23:41   #
Army
 
Bebida wrote:
They DID make that a law. Obama made it a LAW that the PRESS could lie whenever they want and are NOT ACCOUNTABLE for their LIES!!


I believe it so sad . Strate from Hell . Thanks for the info .

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Oct 28, 2020 21:06:44   #
SSDD
 
Bebida wrote:
They DID make that a law. Obama made it a LAW that the PRESS could lie whenever they want and are NOT ACCOUNTABLE for their LIES!!


Is that so? Obviously you can support such an unbelievable claim with supporting evidence, perhaps a link or two to the EO's or bills passed creating these laws maybe. I will be impatiently awaiting these links of your's.

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Oct 28, 2020 21:11:15   #
debeda
 
SSDD wrote:
Is that so? Obviously you can support such an unbelievable claim with supporting evidence, perhaps a link or two to the EO's or bills passed creating these laws maybe. I will be impatiently awaiting these links of your's.



On August 22, 2011, the FCC v**ed to remove the rule that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with more than 80 other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following an executive order by President Obama directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books" to eliminate unnecessary ...
Wikipedia › wiki › FCC_fairness_d...

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Oct 28, 2020 22:09:35   #
SSDD
 
debeda wrote:
On August 22, 2011, the FCC v**ed to remove the rule that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with more than 80 other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following an executive order by President Obama directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books" to eliminate unnecessary ...
Wikipedia › wiki › FCC_fairness_d...


And what are you trying to say here with such a limited scope quote? Try a more detailed quote.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com wrote:
Fairness Doctrine
The doctrine that imposes affirmative responsibilities on a broadcaster to provide coverage of issues of public importance that is adequate and fairly reflects differing viewpoints. In fulfilling its fairness doctrine obligations, a broadcaster must provide free time for the presentation of opposing views if a paid sponsor is unavailable and must initiate programming on public issues if no one else seeks to do so.

Between the 1940s and 1980s, federal regulators attempted to guarantee that the broadcasting industry would act fairly. The controversial policy adopted to further that attempt was called the fairness doctrine. The fairness doctrine was not a statute, but a set of rules and regulations that imposed controls on the content of the broadcasting media. It viewed radio and television as not merely industries but servants of the public interest. Enforced by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the fairness doctrine had two main tenets: broadcasters had to cover controversial issues, and they had to carry contrasting viewpoints on such issues. Opponents of the doctrine, chiefly the media themselves, called it unconstitutional. Although it survived court challenges, the fairness doctrine was abolished in 1987 by deregulators in the FCC who deemed it outdated, misguided, and ultimately unfair. Its demise left responsibility for fairness entirely to the media.

The fairness doctrine grew out of early regulation of the radio industry. As the medium of radio expanded in the 1920s, its chaotic growth caused problems: for one, broadcasters often overlapped on each other's radio frequencies. In 1927, Congress imposed regulation with its passage of the Radio Act (47 U.S.C.A. § 81 et seq.). This landmark law established the Federal Radio Commission (FRC), reestablished in 1934 as the Federal Communications Commission. Empowered to allocate frequencies among broadcasters, the FRC essentially decided who could broadcast, and its mandate to do so contained the seeds of the fairness doctrine. The commission was not only to divvy up the limited number of bands on the radio dial; Congress said it was to do so according to public "convenience, interest, or necessity. "Radio was seen as a kind of public trust: individual stations had to meet public expectations in return for access to the nation's airwaves.

In 1949, the first clear definition of the fairness doctrine emerged. The FCC said, in its Report on Editorializing, "[T]he public interest requires ample play for the free and fair competition of opposing views, and the commission believes that the principle applies … to all discussion of issues of importance to the public." The doctrine had two parts: it required broadcasters (1) to cover vital controversial issues in the community and (2) to provide a reasonable opportunity for the presentation of contrasting viewpoints. In time, additional rules were added. The so-called personal attack rule required broadcasters to allow opportunity for rebuttal to personal attacks made during the discussion of controversial issues. The "political editorializing" rule held that broadcasters who endorsed a candidate for political office had to give the candidate's opponent a reasonable opportunity to respond.

Enforcement was controversial. Complaints alleging violations of the fairness doctrine were to be filed with the FCC by individuals and organizations, such as political parties and unions. Upon review of the complaint, the FCC could take punitive action that included refusing to renew broadcasting licenses. Not surprisingly, radio and TV station owners resented this regulatory power. They grumbled that the print media never had to bear such burdens. The fairness doctrine, they argued, infringed upon their First Amendment rights. By the late 1960s, a First Amendment challenge reached the U.S. Supreme Court, in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367, 89 S. Ct. 1794, 23 L. Ed. 2d 371 (1969). The Court upheld the constitutionality of the doctrine in a decision that only added to the controversy. The print and broadcast media were inherently different, it ruled. In the broadcast media, the Court said, "it is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount… it is the right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral, and other ideas and experiences which is crucial here."

Although the fairness doctrine remained in effect for almost two more decades following Red Lion, the 1980s saw its abolishment. Anti-regulatory fervor in the administration of President ronald reagan brought about its end. The administration, which staffed the FCC with its appointees, favored little or no restrictions on the broadcast industry. In its 1985 Fairness Report (102 F.C.C.2d 145), the FCC announced that the doctrine hurt the public interest and violated the First Amendment. Moreover, technology had changed: with the advent of multiple channels on Cable Television, no longer could broadcasting be seen as a limited resource. Two years later, in August 1987, the commission abolished the doctrine by a 4–0 v**e, intending to extend to radio and television the same First Amendment protections guaranteed to the print media. Congress had tried to stop the FCC from k*****g the fairness doctrine. Two months earlier, it had sent President Reagan the Fairness in Broadcasting Act of 1987 (S. 742, 100th Cong., 1st Sess. [1987]), which would have codified the doctrine in federal law. The president vetoed it.President Reagan's Veto of the 1987 congressional bill to establish the fairness doctrine as law did not end the controversy, however. Even into the mid-1990s, proponents continued to call for its reinstatement.
Fairness Doctrine br The doctrine that imposes aff... (show quote)


https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Fairness+Doctrine

That is the doctrine of which you speak, it grants not the protections against the media lying to the masses per se, only that the media was REQUIRED to allow equal time to opposing views.

I did notice however that you chose NOT to inform "the masses" as to WHO wanted the fairness doctrine removed in 2011. No worries, I have your back, I will post that which you only posted a portion of.

Wikipedia wrote:
Formal revocation
In June 2011, the Chairman and a subcommittee chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, both Republicans, said that the FCC, in response to their requests, had set a target date of August 2011 for removing the Fairness Doctrine and other "outdated" regulations from the FCC's rulebook.[65]

On August 22, 2011, the FCC v**ed to remove the rule that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with more than 80 other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following an executive order by President Obama directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books" to eliminate unnecessary regulations.[1]
Formal revocation br u b In June 2011, the Chair... (show quote)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine#Formal_revocation

The portion Debeda deliberately left out, the portion she didn't wish for you to see, well, it points out that it was revoked due to Republicans wanting it revoked.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, very disingenuous of you Debeda, knock the revocation and blame the Democrats.

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Oct 28, 2020 22:41:45   #
debeda
 
SSDD wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine#Formal_revocation

The portion Debeda deliberately left out, the portion she didn't wish for you to see, well, it points out that it was revoked due to Republicans wanting it revoked.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, very disingenuous of you Debeda, knock the revocation and blame the Democrats.


President Obama deemed things such as equal time and unbiased reporting as "unnecessary", per his executive order. President Obama, per his actions, also deemed following the laws of the land and the constitution as "unnecessary". Did you consider President Obama disingenuous as well? Today's left is an out of control, gangster type organization, who incites young minds and victim mentality people to be their enforcers. Their goals appear to be doing away with common decency and taxing everyone out of any financial stability they may acheive due to their own hard work and tenacity. While l*****t politicians get extremely wealthy on a low 6 figure salary over decades. How does that happen? Not due to hard work, certainly. Those who have eyes, let them see.

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Oct 28, 2020 22:46:46   #
Army
 
SSDD wrote:
Is that so? Obviously you can support such an unbelievable claim with supporting evidence, perhaps a link or two to the EO's or bills passed creating these laws maybe. I will be impatiently awaiting these links of your's.


Well it was talked about if your done smart look it up see for yourself even so the evidences there if you're so stupid that you can't see the news has been lined us since we was kids there's something wrong with you and it's even worse now the Bible says they will say evil is good and good is evil of course you probably don't believe it either because you have no evidence . Well grow up all I can say . God won't be mocked .

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Oct 28, 2020 23:11:55   #
SSDD
 
debeda wrote:
President Obama deemed things such as equal time and unbiased reporting as "unnecessary", per his executive order. President Obama, per his actions, also deemed following the laws of the land and the constitution as "unnecessary". Did you consider President Obama disingenuous as well? Today's left is an out of control, gangster type organization, who incites young minds and victim mentality people to be their enforcers. Their goals appear to be doing away with common decency and taxing everyone out of any financial stability they may acheive due to their own hard work and tenacity. While l*****t politicians get extremely wealthy on a low 6 figure salary over decades. How does that happen? Not due to hard work, certainly. Those who have eyes, let them see.
President Obama deemed things such as equal time a... (show quote)


Really? Still blaming Obama for something he had no say in?, Obviously you failed to read the section you chose to partially quote. No worries, I still have your back, I will repost it for you to read thoroughly, don't let the fact that it was actually Republicans that pushed for the revocation prevent you from finishing the reading.

Wikipedia wrote:
Formal revocation
In June 2011, the Chairman and a subcommittee chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, both Republicans, said that the FCC, in response to their requests, had set a target date of August 2011 for removing the Fairness Doctrine and other "outdated" regulations from the FCC's rulebook.[65]

On August 22, 2011, the FCC v**ed to remove the rule that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with more than 80 other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following an executive order by President Obama directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books" to eliminate unnecessary regulations.[1]
Formal revocation br In June 2011, the Chairman an... (show quote)


Please feel free to point to where Obama himself played a role in this.

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Oct 28, 2020 23:15:13   #
SSDD
 
Army wrote:
Well it was talked about if your done smart look it up see for yourself even so the evidences there if you're so stupid that you can't see the news has been lined us since we was kids there's something wrong with you and it's even worse now the Bible says they will say evil is good and good is evil of course you probably don't believe it either because you have no evidence . Well grow up all I can say . God won't be mocked .


It has ALREADY been DEBUNKED by both Debeda (unintentionally) and myself (intentionally). There is NOWHERE, apart from perhaps "fringe" media, that claims otherwise, well.... If you don't count uninformed posters here on OPP that is.

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Oct 28, 2020 23:16:02   #
debeda
 
SSDD wrote:
Please feel free to point to where Obama himself played a role in this.


#Sigh# His executive order opened the door to do away with "inconvenient" regulations. Going to bed now, gotta work in the morning. You keep doing you. Nini

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Oct 28, 2020 23:19:14   #
SSDD
 
debeda wrote:
#Sigh# His executive order opened the door to do away with "inconvenient" regulations. Going to bed now, gotta work in the morning. You keep doing you. Nini


Well, good night then, I look forward to checking out your link to the executive order tomorrow. Until then, have a good sleep.




Edit: For those also following this "back and forth", her "His executive order opened the door to do away with "inconvenient" regulations." is likely to do with:

Wikipedia wrote:
On August 22, 2011, the FCC v**ed to remove the rule that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with more than 80 other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following an executive order by President Obama directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books" to eliminate unnecessary regulations.[1]


But it had nothing to do with "'inconvenient' regulations.", it was to do with "'government-wide review of regulations already on the books' to eliminate unnecessary regulations.". Obama did not "target" the "Fairness Doctrine", he merely directed the regulations to be reviewed and any regulations deemed unnecessary be eliminated, precisely the very thing we should do periodically with governmental regulations. It was Republicans that chose to eliminate the "Fairness Doctrine", not Obama.

Wikipedia wrote:

Formal revocation
In June 2011, the Chairman and a subcommittee chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, both Republicans, said that the FCC, in response to their requests, had set a target date of August 2011 for removing the Fairness Doctrine and other "outdated" regulations from the FCC's rulebook.[65]


Interesting how Republicans scream about wanting deregulation and smaller government and then when a Democrat can in any way be blamed, even if said Democrat had at best, a supporting role, any regulation that even remotely resembles a decent regulation, these same Republicans start b***hing about what said "evil" Democrat has done, even if the real "culprits" ACTUALLY responsible are Republicans. Talk about hypocrisy.

I guess Democrats are "damned if they do, damned if they don't" huh?

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Oct 29, 2020 00:12:39   #
Army
 
Well both Party's are liers , criminals traders & treason . But the left openly admit there socialist c*******t now & terrorist .

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Oct 29, 2020 00:23:02   #
SSDD
 
Army wrote:
Well both Party's are liers , criminals traders & treason . But the left openly admit there socialist c*******t now & terrorist .


Actually.... That is an accusations from the right. As for both sides lying, that sounds about right.

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Oct 29, 2020 09:44:09   #
Army
 
SSDD wrote:
Actually.... That is an accusations from the right. As for both sides lying, that sounds about right.


Well we been lied to for years even Walter Cronkite dub the most honest man in America was a lier an said ( We need a NWO ) . But the right is doing more good for the Country by far an not professing c*******m as the left is. I think Trump has made them look bad or somehow been pushed to do better for the good that is . We know they all are crooks what they do affects our lifes & death family's an survival of our Country . I believe God wants our attention right away an our country is on life support if we don't heed an pray it's going be gone completely . There are to many that want to play God in control .

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Oct 29, 2020 14:45:54   #
debeda
 
SSDD wrote:
Interesting how Republicans scream about wanting deregulation and smaller government and then when a Democrat can in any way be blamed, even if said Democrat had at best, a supporting role, any regulation that even remotely resembles a decent regulation, these same Republicans start b***hing about what said "evil" Democrat has done, even if the real "culprits" ACTUALLY responsible are Republicans. Talk about hypocrisy.

I guess Democrats are "damned if they do, damned if they don't" huh?
Interesting how Republicans scream about wanting d... (show quote)


Blah blah blah. The executive order was mentioned in the wikipedia post I cited. You sure say a lot of words but you're reading comprehension may be a bit sketchy.

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Oct 29, 2020 14:46:40   #
debeda
 
Army wrote:
Well we been lied to for years even Walter Cronkite dub the most honest man in America was a lier an said ( We need a NWO ) . But the right is doing more good for the Country by far an not professing c*******m as the left is. I think Trump has made them look bad or somehow been pushed to do better for the good that is . We know they all are crooks what they do affects our lifes & death family's an survival of our Country . I believe God wants our attention right away an our country is on life support if we don't heed an pray it's going be gone completely . There are to many that want to play God in control .
Well we been lied to for years even Walter Cronkit... (show quote)


Well said, Army

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