Rose42

I don't mean someone on a forum. The project has been criticized by historians as well. They don't deny history. The project isn't objective, its subjective and some of it is simply opinion. Should a high school curriculum be developed for it? I don't think so.

Carol Kelly

Boy, are you cynical!

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

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[i]S***ery existed since the Biblical age. No doubt about that. Christians were ens***ed by Muslims when they invaded Jerusalem. S***es sold and brought to the Muslim world were treated worst. Fact was the remnants of s***es did not exist there cause as soon as they got old, the Muslims k**led them. But no one complained about that, only here in the US but yet people from all over the world wanted to come.

The relentless and endless complaints are here happening in the United States. If US is discriminatory, why do so many people from Africa wanted to come? Even millions of Muslim Somalians are now here populating Michigan.[/quote]

The magnet for any third world citizen is not oppression or much of anything else, it is pretty much economical. They're tired of being poor.



Your listing of all the laws and procedures is admirable. You've done your homework, and for that I applaud you.
The problem is that there is s******c r****m that exists sub rosa throughout the society. It isn't overt; it isn't blatant; but it exists nonetheless. If it were not present, after all the laws and such, the average income and positions of power would be equally distributed across the economic spectrum. Yet b****s are routinely many steps lower on the income ladder than w****s. This is proof that the underlying s******c r****m still exists.
Yes, affirmative action has been abused, but the intent was to get at least some of that class a better education and job placement. But s******c r****m subtly eviscerated even that attempt to raise the economic level of the black community. If you had strictly merit-based admissions into many universities, it would result in a 50+% admission of Asian-American students, due to their cultural emphasis on education. The screams of white applicants would be equal to the complaints against Affirmative Action admitting b****s ahead of white students. There has to be a fair way of including race as an admitting factor in the educational system.
Until we solve the racial disparity in education (i.e. putting all public schools on an equal footing in terms of funding and infrastructure), that disparity will continue to exist, along with the s******c r****m that is perpetuated and which the "1619 project" is attempting to address. The misinformation that has been rolled out against it is proof of that same s******c r****m that exists within our society is fighting to maintain that same bias … i.e. keeping w****s in power and suppressing minorities in spite of the law.
Again, your mileage may vary.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

If all liberals loved our history as you claim, why are you hellbent on it's destruction?

Radiance3

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Let us see this in a practical sense. You complained about s******c r****m, throughout society. All ethnic groups encounter such, b****s against w****s, or b****s against other ethnic groups or vice versa. These are true. Human beings could not be perfect. B****s are r****t too. Don't you know that?

We must understand that different cultures of people have different level of brains. That is human nature. As a result, the ability of one person with lower brain has also lower in achievement and performance. Because it is a fact, that there are dumb and smart people. It is just the way, how human being have been created. Those with with smart and brilliant genes have inherited that. You can't take that away. Results, production varies. The dumbbells have lower production of lower quality, while the smart brains have higher production of higher grade.

So to be fair, I'll compensate them based on the quality and quantity of work. Not equal. That is why, when an employer hires an employee, the one with the best resume is chosen. Not by color of the skin.

The Affirmative Action have given the black race ample opportunities the fact that they have lower IQ's and GPA than the W****s and Asians. It is a fact happening now at Harvard. This has given lots of opportunities for b****s to advance.

The fact that the population of the black community is 13.4%, the b****s employed in the Federal government is 18.1%. That proves that the b****s have more advantages over other races when it comes to federal employment. These are true to many segments of business organization.

Why are b****s arrested? Because they stay outside committing crimes like l**ting, stealing, burglarizing, burning peoples businesses and attacking and k*****g police officers, and innocent white people young and old. They sell drugs, take drugs, like G****e F***d. That is why they are arrested. Why the Asians are not arrested, or the American Indians not arrested. Because they are at home, working, and taking care of their families, or at schools studying. You don't find them on the streets. Only b****s and the A****as are there.

I am tired of this. I don't find black people working on low level like lawn maintenance. Only Hispanics and Asians. What's good with Asians, while they work the low level jobs, they study as well, and after few years they move up. That is why most Asians by records have he highest quality home ownership, next to w****s. It is also true in Canada. They don't complain of r****m, they just work harder.
That is why America is the land of the free, where Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness under God are achieved.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Sounds like this 'patriotic education' fits all the objections you have about the 1619 Project.

Rose42

Sounds like you can't see past left vs right. I'm not in favor of either.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Nope, I cannot. I yam what I yam....a product of my time.
This whole patriotic education thingy is also a product of it's time, as is the 1619 project.

So let me ask you point blank....if you are a center-moderate type and see issues with both extremes, who do you have to v**e for? Picking a major party candidate would be encouraging one side or the other, no?

Rose42

I v**e for neither because both parties continually fail us and it seems we learn nothing as candidates get progressively worse. Last e******n was a write in and its looking like this will be too.

Its my hope that one party doesn’t gain control of all three branches. That would be a disaster.

I would not call myself a centrist and have a definite conservative/libertarian lean. Though for some things I lean left - like healthcare for all.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

This sounds suspiciously like the Eugenics model pursued by N**i Germany in the Holocaust. The concept of a 'master race' and all that it entails is an anathema to most thinking people. It also breeds r****m and cultural divides. Most of the things that you propose as evidence are more likely to be the result of hundreds of years of substandard education, economic repression, and outright discrimination based on race. It sounds like the next step for your theory would be racial or ethnic cleansing to make sure that those whom you quote will reign supreme for as long as you can make it work. The results when it boils over were seen in the French Revolution, although not in a racial sense, but in an economic one. France has never recovered since, with at least 130 changes of government since that time. May we never go down that path, although all the prerequisites for a similar conflict exist here in this country with an additional r****t overlay.
Don't go there with eugenics. It has been disproven many times over but it always seems to raise its head out of the swamp in times like these.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Woodrow Wilson (D), 28th president of the United States, introduced progressive socialism into American politics. Over the years since, this alien ideology infiltrated the American left and is now in control of the democrat party.

Wilson, a dedicated r****t, was the very model of a modern Progressive, and he was recognized as such. He p***ed himself on having pioneered the new science of rational administration, and he shared the conviction, dominant among his brethren, that African-Americans were racially inferior to w****s.

Wilson supported eugenics, including policies that would result in eugenic reform (Lombardo, 2008). In 1911, while acting as the governor of New Jersey, he signed a eugenic sexual sterilization bill into legislation (Trent, 1994). Under this legislation, criminals or adults considered to be ‘feeble-minded’ could be forced to undergo sexual sterilization (Trent, 1994; Lombardo, 2002). As part of enacting this legislation, Wilson was also responsible for appointing a board of examiners (Lombardo, 2008). These examiners were responsible for determining who ought to be sexually sterilized given the new legislation. The law was eventually struck down because it was deemed to be inhumane (Lombardo, 2008).

Radiance3

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Please, I could not change human physiology. It is a scientific fact that human cells vary from one another, and much more so of different ethnicity. There is no such thing as e******y to every human being. We all differ in DNA's and cells if measured in purity and quality. I don't control that. It is just how God created us in various ways. Although all have complete structures that keep us alive. But to compare with a N**i Germany cleansing is absurd.

Regarding employment, at the beginning, I believe there was discrimination, but overtime, this was gradually corrected via Title VII, and continued improving as years went by. Fact is I think at present it is over used.

Here is why. Since the 75's College courses offered
to African Americans were Black Studies, or Ethnic Studies. Found out that these courses were loaded with false history of the United States that indoctrinated those students taking these courses. They believe that the Founders were so bad that currently they are now dismantling the statues of the great men who at that time had done great jobs for humanity. They also h**e religion that is why many of these indoctrinated students burn churches and religious symbols.

Now what kind of jobs are these people expect after finishing the course? When they apply for the jobs their sk**ls don't fit the needs of the jobs. When not hired, they file discrimination.

Currently, it is practiced in many public schools to eliminating "MATH "subjects, labeling math as r****t course. Fact is MATH is one of the most important subjects needed to taking high degree of learning, like engineers, scientists, and and the medical science. Without taking this subject that requires higher courses, how then can anybody complain of discrimination when they don't possess the required sk**ls for the jobs? That is just one of the examples.

Since 1964: There are series of advancement for the Black community. I am just citing few examples.
Title VII Changed the Face of the American Workplace. Title VII Changed the Face of the American Workplace

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 forced dramatic shifts in employment practices. Fifty years later, the journey toward e******y continues.

THEN: 26% The percentage of b****s above the age of 25 who had graduated from high school in 1964.
Central High School in Little Rock, Ark., where federal troops escorted the first black students into the school in 1957. (National Park Service)
NOW: 85% The percentage of b****s above the age of 25 who had graduated from high school in 2012.
Students celebrate graduation at Union City High School in New Jersey in 2010. (Photo by Luigi Novi)

NOW: 40% The approximate percentage of female managers in 2009.

THEN: 1,469 The number of black elected officials in the U.S. in 1970.
Cleveland Mayor Carl B. Stokes was elected in 1967 as the first black mayor of a major U.S. city. (The Cleveland Press Collection)
NOW: 10,500 The estimated number of black elected officials in 2011.
President Obama, the first black president of the United States, in the Oval Office in 2014. (Official White House photo by Pete Souza)PreviousNext
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Now the retired civil rights leader is 80, with grandchildren who had access to meaningful internships and other opportunities during their summer breaks. One grandson is even the principal at a Little Rock school.

​Walker, former head of the Martin Luther King Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change in Atlanta, and others credit much of the change in the American workplace to the seminal Civil Rights Act signed into law 50 years ago this summer.

Title VII of the law outlawed employment discrimination based on race, sex, color, religion and national origin—and changed the thinking of Americans about the concept of fairness.

Lewis, now 49, grew up to become a lawyer and chief diversity officer at Coca-Cola Co. in Atlanta. He oversees programs to identify diverse talent, to make sure company policies don’t unfairly affect certain segments of workers and to push Coke toward a goal of $1 billion in spending annually on suppliers with minority owners.

​“We’ve seen a dramatic shift in what is a just approach to employment,” says Jones, author of The March on Washington: Jobs, Freedom, and the Forgotten History of Civil Rights (W.W. Norton & Co., 2013).

The larger Civil Rights Act that included Title VII came amid sit-ins, the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom in 1963, and calls for the end of invidious discrimination that led to vastly different opportunities and treatment for w****s and b****s. The law set out to end segregation in education and in public places and to protect the v****g rights of minorities.

Title VII’s ban on employment discrimination set up a whole new concept that private employers could not discriminate in the workplace.

“It’s one of the most important changes we see resulting from the Civil Rights Act,” Jones says. “Changing the law actually did change people’s minds because now it’s largely accepted as unjust to discriminate in employment based on race or g****r.”

Diverse Views
In terms of sheer numbers, women have arguably benefited the most from the civil rights law, says Jocelyn Frye, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a think tank in Washington, D.C. Census figures show that women made up nearly 47 percent of the civilian workforce in 2013—compared with about 29 percent in 1967, when Title VII was still new.

Later, Congress expanded workplace protections beyond Title VII to include, for example, people with disabilities and older individuals.

Minorities make up 35 percent of the private industry workforce—about 10 percentage points higher than in 1996, according to 2012 figures from the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).

“You can’t just talk about inclusion,” says Blagg, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who worked on equal employment opportunity in the military. “Your top ranks need to reflect the community you serve.”

Many companies have realized that having a diverse staff helps them understand their customers better. Minorities represent 37 percent of the U.S. population now, compared with less than 17 percent in 1970, U.S. Census Bureau figures show. “Diversity in the workforce today is a financial issue,” says Nicole Butts, SPHR, a Los Angeles-based client services manager at Berkshire Associates, a Columbia, Md., human resources consulting company. “I need to speak to my customer base, and my customer base is diverse.”

Lewis agrees. Coca-Cola, he points out, is sold around the world to diverse consumers. Diversity is “part of the differentiation of our brand,” he says. ”

Title VII with Teeth
Title VII established the EEOC to enforce the law.
The resulting succession of numerous lawsuits have helped define workplace protections, forced companies to change unfair policies and practices, and given the law teeth. “Many of the human resources best practices that companies utilize are an outgrowth of equal employment cases,” Butts says.
​Jonathan A. Segal, a partner at law firm Duane Morris in Philadelphia, says the proportion of his cases involving pay and promotion has increased from 15 percent 15 years ago to nearly 35 percent now.

The nature of discrimination has changed, too. Unconscious bias has largely replaced overt discrimination. Segal says professionals need to be wary of “like me” bias—managers favoring workers who remind them of themselves—and of recruiting for jobs through word-of-mouth, which attracts mostly people demographically like them.

The law does more than just prohibit disparate treatment in hiring, promotion, and other actions affecting the terms and conditions of employment, Farmer says. It also bans discrimination that isn’t intentional but that has a discriminatory impact. For example, firefighter promotion exams that had a disparate impact on the chances of women or minorities without a justifiable business need went up in smoke after being challenged in the courts.

I think fire fighting is men's jobs. And for women, I think there are sk**ls that they could be more productive.

Radiance3

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Thank you Blade. This now proves to the world that the democrats are the r****ts, since 1913, thru president Woodrow Wilson. That also contradicts the concept that republicans are r****t when in fact it is the opposite. The republican president Abraham Lincoln, emancipated s***ery in 1863. Therefore the republicans are more compassionate people than the democrats. Perhaps because of their Christian faith. That is why the behavior of Pelosi, fraudulent Biden, and the rest of those democrats in Congress are very cruel, always angry, and dishonest

Black race is being overly used. How? Refugee Omar from Somalia, always yells and attacks president Trump, and the United States. Congresswoman Maxine Waters gathered many democrat supporters instructing them or conduct violence to republicans where ever they find them. That is why frequent attacks happen when the B*M'S enter restaurants and require people to raise hands in support for B*M's. Those who do not raise their hands are being attacked while dining in restaurants.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/25/17501450/maxine-waters-trump-pelosi-civility-sarah-sanders