See... you folks always say that but you never actually explain it. Saying that Democrats destroyed America for instance, is just a baseless accusation.

As for Trump... well, by himself I agree that he isn't much of a threat. He's one of the weakest presidents we've ever had. Due to his inability to lead a coalition he has had far less success with legislation than any of the previous nine presidents. By far, most of his changes have been within the context of an executive order, which really only applies to the Executive Branch. That's why they are so easy to do. You don't have to rally any lawmakers or win any arguments or reach across partisan lines or anything like that. It's a simple matter of writing up an order while eating a cheeseburger and then signing it. But therein lies the significance... By the same token, the next president can k**l every single one of Trump's "accomplishments" with nothing more than a signature.

If Biden is elected, everything Trump did that is of any significance (aside from the 2017 Tax Disaster) will be reversed. There's also a very real chance that all those orders signed by Obama that Trump reversed will be reinstated. It will be as if Trump was never there. I am really looking forward to that.

What worries me more, is the people around him such as the conniving Republicans in Senate that leverage Trump's audacity to push the limits of their corruption, the army of shady lawyers that find ways to circumnavigate any law that stands in the way, the questionable foreign powers that can get anything they want from Trump with a little flattery, the dickheads that think their self-righteousness and the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to take law enforcement into their own hands, the w***e s*********ts that the FBI, the CIA and the DHS have all called the biggest terrorist threat on U.S. soil and the v**ers who lack the intelligence to know when they are being lied to.

All these elements together represent a bigger threat to American democracy than anything we have ever seen before.

I am praying to God that come February, the Democrats will have control of both chambers in Congress and the Biden/Harris team will be in the White House AND that serious political reforms are initiated immediately to make sure that no future president will ever come so close to f*****t tyranny as Trump has.

If any of this happens I expect the most r****ded dickheads to make their moves and I relish that because I know under any other president, certainly under Biden they will be dealt with as the terrorists really they are. Maybe with a little luck, even the raging r****ts will crawl back under their rocks.

I am not oppressed by the rich and powerful. If they can work and become very successful, hooray for them. I work and earn my money. I am not envious of those who might have been able to have a great idea and made money off of it, or those who worked hard to become successful. I think it's sad when people say "Look at that rich person. I should have half his money." Really? What gives you the right to claim that persons hard won funds? So, if you feel oppressed, that may be a personal problem, not a societal one.

It seems you're not looking at the same thing the left is looking at. For the most part, people on the left have no issue with the rich and powerful, many of which ARE liberals. But there is something called plutocracy which literally means government by money. *Some* of the rich and wealthy, (not all of them) take advantage of their wealth to override the will of the people. THIS is what the left is looking at.

So if you work hard and earn your way into the Fortune 500 that's totally fine with us. Really, it is. But not all wealthy people are the same. Take Bill Gates for instance... Self-made billionaire, one of the richest in the world (and a liberal). Do we h**e him? No, because he's not hurting anyone.

In contrast we have... well, Trump is ranked pretty low on on the Fortune 500 list but he's a good example of the kind of wealthy person we have a problem with. Aside from the fact that he is NOT self-made, which only means I don't have the same admiration for him that I do for Gates, he frequently leverages his money to take advantage of people. I can remember reading a report in the National Review (yes, you read that right, the National Review, stronghold of conservative media) that slammed Trump for his use of eminent domain to evict "losers" from their homes and develop properties that none of them could afford.

So, justy as with any income bracket, there are good people and bad people.

But more than that the left is concerned with the system that allows the wealthy to run roughshod over the little people... the plutocratic system. What makes this system oppressive is the way it's being used. There are influences within our plutocracy that actually block the path for other people who would like to earn their way to wealth. It's called upward mobility and it hasn't been as confined as it is now, since the 1920s.

I can explain in further detail if you like, but I'll wait to see your response... It won't be worth my effort if you don't want to hear it.

See... you folks always say that but you never actually explain it. Saying that Democrats destroyed America for instance, is just a baseless accusation.

As for Trump... well, by himself I agree that he isn't much of a threat. He's one of the weakest presidents we've ever had. Due to his inability to lead a coalition he has had far less success with legislation than any of the previous nine presidents. By far, most of his changes have been within the context of an executive order, which really only applies to the Executive Branch. That's why they are so easy to do. You don't have to rally any lawmakers or win any arguments or reach across partisan lines or anything like that. It's a simple matter of writing up an order while eating a cheeseburger and then signing it. But therein lies the significance... By the same token, the next president can k**l every single one of Trump's "accomplishments" with nothing more than a signature.

If Biden is elected, everything Trump did that is of any significance (aside from the 2017 Tax Disaster) will be reversed. There's also a very real chance that all those orders signed by Obama that Trump reversed will be reinstated. It will be as if Trump was never there. I am really looking forward to that.

What worries me more, is the people around him such as the conniving Republicans in Senate that leverage Trump's audacity to push the limits of their corruption, the army of shady lawyers that find ways to circumnavigate any law that stands in the way, the questionable foreign powers that can get anything they want from Trump with a little flattery, the dickheads that think their self-righteousness and the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to take law enforcement into their own hands, the w***e s*********ts that the FBI, the CIA and the DHS have all called the biggest terrorist threat on U.S. soil and the v**ers who lack the intelligence to know when they are being lied to.

All these elements together represent a bigger threat to American democracy than anything we have ever seen before.

I am praying to God that come February, the Democrats will have control of both chambers in Congress and the Biden/Harris team will be in the White House AND that serious political reforms are initiated immediately to make sure that no future president will ever come so close to f*****t tyranny as Trump has.

If any of this happens I expect the most r****ded dickheads to make their moves and I relish that because I know under any other president, certainly under Biden they will be dealt with as the terrorists really they are. Maybe with a little luck, even the raging r****ts will crawl back under their rocks.

Actually, I find him to be quite intelligent, and I have enjoyed the debate. I've learned some additional facts about g****l w*****g, as some of his 'facts' seem to be accurate. I do not agree with his conclusions though. At least not yet. But I'm trying to keep an open mind as I research his views. However, he has made several posts on other threads, such as this one, that makes me wonder about his objectivity. I have no problem with a person being biased, I thinik everyone is to one extent or another. I have a problem with the news being biased, and with posters trying to hide their own personal bias..

Well, it's nice to see someone being so objective and you can rest assured that I am aware of my own bias and make no effort to hide it. Nor do I have any hidden objective. (I'm not paid by Marxists to post here either which other people have accused me of.)

If I have an objective it's to make people think. But I am also just a susceptible to frustration as anyone here and honestly, it's the Trump supporters that frustrate me more than anyone else, it just works out that way. So, I will admit that pissing off the Trump supporters is sometimes part of my objective. I don't want to admit it but I will.

More than anything else, I wish people would know that I am not staking a claim on the t***h. I am not as religious as I am scientific when it comes to the t***h. IOW, all my conclusions are educated guesses and nothing more. This is why I am always asking people to prove me wrong. It's happened a few times and I never view it as a defeat so much as a victory because it means I've learned something.

It seems you're not looking at the same thing the left is looking at. For the most part, people on the left have no issue with the rich and powerful, many of which ARE liberals. But there is something called plutocracy which literally means government by money. *Some* of the rich and wealthy, (not all of them) take advantage of their wealth to override the will of the people. THIS is what the left is looking at.

So if you work hard and earn your way into the Fortune 500 that's totally fine with us. Really, it is. But not all wealthy people are the same. Take Bill Gates for instance... Self-made billionaire, one of the richest in the world (and a liberal). Do we h**e him? No, because he's not hurting anyone.

In contrast we have... well, Trump is ranked pretty low on on the Fortune 500 list but he's a good example of the kind of wealthy person we have a problem with. Aside from the fact that he is NOT self-made, which only means I don't have the same admiration for him that I do for Gates, he frequently leverages his money to take advantage of people. I can remember reading a report in the National Review (yes, you read that right, the National Review, stronghold of conservative media) that slammed Trump for his use of eminent domain to evict "losers" from their homes and develop properties that none of them could afford.

So, justy as with any income bracket, there are good people and bad people.

But more than that the left is concerned with the system that allows the wealthy to run roughshod over the little people... the plutocratic system. What makes this system oppressive is the way it's being used. There are influences within our plutocracy that actually block the path for other people who would like to earn their way to wealth. It's called upward mobility and it hasn't been as confined as it is now, since the 1920s.

I can explain in further detail if you like, but I'll wait to see your response... It won't be worth my effort if you don't want to hear it.

Crayon... what freedom did you lose while President Obama was in office???

Compare that to what you have lost under trump..

Include the intangibles, like respect and opportunity for all..

It is remarkable that the instructions keep you screaming about a false socialism fear and none of you ever mention the continuing movement of wealth to the very rich and the development of an oligarchy for the country..

You fear socialism but see nothing wrong with being oppressed by the the very rich and powerful.

If you read the Second Amendment, the full clause reads "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Note the part about a "well-regulated m*****a". At the time, every male citizen was the army, and they drilled in the town square every weekend. They were a 'well-regulated m*****a'. They had officers, and knew what the limits on their conduct were. In the aftermath of the Civil War, a standing army was instituted, but the amendment still held, even though there were no longer town and state m*****as, per se. The National Guard eventually took their place. What has been lost is the fact that the intent was to regulate the holding of firearms that have become mass casualty enablers to some kind of control.
I personally have no problem with sporting rifles and revolvers for self-defense, but having four AK-47's, two Glock semi-auto 9 mils, and a rocket launcher in your basement without your being 'well regulated' is somewhat of a stretch. If you happen to go off the rails and use these weapons to destroy large numbers of people, there's something wrong with the system. No, I'm not advocating that "they're coming to take your guns away". But I do not believe that weapons of war should be available to the general public.

I've taken up too much space already, except to say that much of the rest of the post is exaggeration in my opinion. But these points that I have rebutted stand on their own merits.

As always, your mileage may vary.

'Seems like you're doing all the crying here, cupcake. "Wah, we h**e you! You're mean and stupid! Wahh! You destroy everything Wahh! We h**e you so much we're going to v**e for an asshole because he h**es you too, wahhh!" LOL

In any case, unless Trump succeeds in fixing the e******n, I don't think we need to worry too much about him getting elected. Most Americans h**e him more than the alternative. Even a lot of Republicans, I've noticed. My neighbors across the street have a sign that says "Republicans for Biden 2020". It reminds me (sometimes I forget) that not all Republicans are as stupid as the Trump supporters.

I do understand that your Mayberry world disintegrating. Liberals are allowing all those minorities to live as equals, they're allowing people the freedom to choose their own faith, they are letting people marry who they love without all these hangups about sex... it must be horrible for you.