straightUp Loc: California

HOW is it dishonest Rose? I asked you to explain it not to just repeat it.


So?
Here's what I said in my OP... "And that goes for ALL people who have v**ed Republican over the last 40 years." So it doesn't matter if you identify as a Republican, the question is did you V**E Republican? I'm not a Democrat either - 'doesn't mean I won't v**e for Biden.


Maybe there are more important things than keeping this country together. I've said that for years now and recently I'm noticing millions of Americans are starting to agree with me. To be honest, I don't want to share a democracy with the American Right anymore. It's degrading.


Ohh, I see - glad you were able to find an excuse for your complete lack of intellectual integrity.


As you so plainly demonstrate.

straightUp Loc: California

How is it ridiculous Carol? Are you going to be like Rose and just stick you tongue out because you really don't have a way to prove I'm wrong?

straightUp Loc: California

I never said any of those things... Apparently, you're down to lying about what I said so you can insult me. Well, I don't get insulted by stupidity. It just makes me feel sorry for you.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Liberal democrats have turned your state into a crap hole, seems to suit you just fine.
Bring in a few thousand more i******s, maybe they will help with your fire and all the other problems.
California in general is a beautiful state, ocean, desert, mountains, redwoods.
I have a home there and it would be nice to have some sanity from the polititions.

Cuda2020

A pre born *child*, I see we're entering into some new definitions of an embryo, what next a pre-born... mother, father,p*******e, president, rapist, banker, drug dealer, doctor, murderer, on and on and it's all a delusion. Where do people come to think the best choice is life on earth? Life on earth can be hell, I sure wouldn't want to be born with two strikes against me before I'm ever born. I say send me up the elevator until it's a good time to come back down.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

okay, friend. I am good with that. I will say this:
I have been following the arguments on g****l w*****g since I first heard about it in 1974 or so. I know the earth is warming, but I'm one of your deniers who does not believe mankind is causing any significant amount of it, and I do not believe there is much, if anything, we can do about it, even if we are. There has been WAY too many lies and exaggerations from the left, trying to force this down our throats for the last 30 years, for me to accept anything but hard evidence.
But I am a pragmatist. I am open to being convinced. If you will provide the credible evidence to support your views, I will read with an open mind.
And take your time. I'm not going anywhere.

Rose42

Its amazing you can’t understand a simple point and just continue to defend your intellectual idiocy. Shall we play your game and call you a k**ler since you have v**ed democrat at least one time in your life and will v**e for Biden? Yes you k**led thousands upon thousands for convenience. But hey, conditions were sterile! Sharing the country with the right wing is degrading? So you’d rather share it with other amoral k**lers such as yourself? You can’t yip yap your way out of that one if you insist on playing your silly little game.

I seldom v**e for either democrat or republican. Both betray us.

Cuda2020

Ah yes, have seen that strategy often, a swing and a miss, good catch and return

Rose42

Who are is anyone decide who doesn’t get a chance? Some of those overcome and do great things while others have a ‘normal’ upbringing and royally screw up their lives.

straightUp Loc: California

No, I haven't. First of all, it's not the job of the Sierra Club to do that, nor would they have the capacity to clear the dead wood from 33 million acres of forest. Would it help if they could? Yes, of course it would. Obviously the point I'm making is that g****l w*****g has produced an excess of dead vegetation so clearing it out would be one way to fix the problem. But it's not just the Sierra Club that lacks the capacity to do that. In simple terms, no one does. Not even the federal government, which is why it's NEVER BEEN DONE!!!

Someone earlier said that Republicans have proposed it, but that was a lie. There is no record in Congress or the State Assembly to suggest that Republicans have EVER proposed clearing out the dead wood from 33 million acres of land.


Here's what you're missing... G****l w*****g CAUSES c*****e c****e (so... two different things) The c*****e c****e (or the effect of g****l w*****g) is different depending on the region. In the western half of the North American continent the effect is a hotter and drier climate which turns lush vegetation into dead vegetation and that become the fuel.



Well, here's the other point you might be missing... Going all the way back to my original post I have made it very clear that I am not talking about what STARTS the fire - I'm talking about what makes the fire so much bigger and intense AFTER it starts and you're right, the answer is fuel, not arson, not lighting, not g****r reveal parties or any of the other excuses posted on this discussion, but fuel.

Clearing the dead vegetation is therefore the ONLY response in the last 17 pages that makes any sense at all, but like I said, it's not feasible nor has it ever been done.

But there wouldn't BE so much dead vegetation if v**ers paid attention to what the environmentalists have been saying for three decades and v**ed for lawmakers that aren't scared of regulating industry to curb emissions. It just so happens that those lawmakers and any such regulation have ALL been opposed by Republicans.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Not to callous here, but wouldn't you say that fire is nature's way of clearing out the firewood?

Cuda2020

I love that argument, I really do, to say that all we do with adding CO2 into the air which is about 40 Billion tonnage a year has absolutely no impact. Tell me how does that work anyway, maybe you can explain that to us.The earth has a beautiful way of balancing itself, which its been doing for thousands of years... until man and the industrial evolution. Now the vast changes are occurring more rapidly as promised 40 years ago, did you miss that class? But I guess 40 Billion (100 million for every 1 billion) doesn't sound like a lot to you, but that's what puts us completely out of balance, over the edge, when a gallon is full you can't add one more ounce and trying to handle the overflow, is what's causing havoc on mother earth, and accelerated green house gases. The tipping point is drawing nearer everyday, as we watch the environmental catastrophes climb. What do we have out there right now, five or six hurricanes at once ? You think there's no rhyme or reason to that, just mother earth playing her random games and having fun?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You can't remember what you've said....thats indicative of a story teller...fairytales.

Speaking of kid talk...here's your boy..

I'm sure that you can relate, bro.

straightUp Loc: California

Oh, I get the point and yes it's very simple. You think I'm being intellectually dishonest. But I don't agree. I think I AM being intellectually honest. That's why I asked you to explain your accusation but it seems you can't. So don't tell me I'm not getting the point Rose.


Sure. I accept that. Obviously, I'm not like you Rose. I have the courage and the integrity to confront my own actions. Yes, I am partly responsible through my politics for allowing embryos to be terminated. I already described that as last resort mercy k*****g.


Neither of us know how many of those a******ns were for "convenience". I think the vast majority of a******ns are last resort measures.


Yes, so the mothers don't get infected. Dugh!


Absolutely! Because of the right, we have the crappiest AND most expensive healthcare system in the developed world, the crappiest education system in the developed world, the most gun violence (per capita) in the developed world, the worst water quality in the developed world... I mean, the list goes on and on.


Mercy k*****g isn't amoral. K*****g people because you don't care enough to realize you're doing it and then denying it when someone points it out or worse putting the blame on the victims... THAT is amoral!


'Not a game and I don't yip yap.


Yes, both have betrayed us... But politics isn't static. Parties shift with the times and sometimes one party is more caustic than the other, which is why people so often v**e for the lesser of two evils. I have no doubt in my mind that the Republican party is currently the more evil of the two by a wide margin.

straightUp Loc: California

So... are you referring to where I said I cleared the brush from the fire zone around my house? OK, that's true. But where did I say "cutting out fuel in the forest is taboo." ??? I didn't. I never said that. I said it wasn't FEASIBLE to clear dead wood from the 33 million acres of forest in California because it's cost prohibitive. I NEVER said it was taboo.

Get a grip Sparky.