What happened on 9/11
Sep 8, 2020 12:26:14 #
Sep 8, 2020 13:19:26 #
Well presented and to bad so many of America's children suffer under Public School Union teachers who don't really teach what happened on 9/11 or just gloss over it. I watched that all day and it was horrible. And we stormed back and are strong again and ready.
So much of what was done after that was making America great again and keeping America great. And some wasn't. But we are coming back and wearing that hat isn't just about President Donald Trump, but about making America great again, and taking p***e in that effort and the accomplishments that make it happen.
Logically Right
So much of what was done after that was making America great again and keeping America great. And some wasn't. But we are coming back and wearing that hat isn't just about President Donald Trump, but about making America great again, and taking p***e in that effort and the accomplishments that make it happen.
Logically Right
Sep 8, 2020 13:22:41 #
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Well presented and to bad so many of America's chi... (show quote)
Amen and Amen
Sep 8, 2020 17:16:16 #
bahmer wrote:
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Still NO Arrests and there never will be because Trump is a pussy and he’ll never do full disclosures on anything as he is part of the Deep State.
Sep 8, 2020 17:33:04 #
Much has changed in the nineteen years since America was attacked. At least one thing has remained constant: the stupidity and futility of 9/11 t***hers.
The t***hers don’t believe men with ties to an Islamist terror group hijacked airplanes and flew them into the twin towers or the Pentagon. In some cases, they don’t believe planes hit these buildings at all. At minimum, they maintain the government orchestrated or at least permitted the attacks.
Writing about such bizarre conspiracy theorists may seem like an easy lay-up for a columnist, much like denouncing child molesters or praising puppies.
Is it really worth it to poke such a marginal group? My inbox will be flooded with missives from amateur explosives and metallic experts explaining in all caps that steel doesn’t melt. My ears will be pierced by the screams of a thousand forty-year-olds crying out from their mothers’ basements.
There is no point in arguing with people who cling even to benign conspiracy theories. If you believe Paul McCartney is dead or the earth is flat, there is no amount of evidence I can provide that will convince you otherwise. It’s an even greater waste of time arguing with twisted people who pretend to believe the Holocaust never happened, when their real complaint is that its death toll wasn’t big enough for them.
No one this side of Donte Stallworth has ever changed their mind about 9/11 t***herism.
Finally, people occasionally make the following argument: Yes, the cheese has slipped off the 9/11 t***hers’ c*****rs, but has their impact really been as destructive as, say, some of the overblown theories about Saddam Hussein leading up to the Iraq war?
My response: might the Iraq war debate have been less one-sided a dozen years ago if the people who were arguing with the accredited intelligence agencies asserting the existence of weapons of mass destruction had been less associated with ANSWER c****es and 9/11 deniers?
T***herism distorts these debates to this day. When someone mentions Iraq war advocacy that far predated 9/11 or talks about ISIS as an unintended consequence of that war, it’s still too easy to dismiss them as engaging in t***her-like fantasies.
Indeed, there are already ISIS t***hers.
Here’s the t***h about the t***hers: like termites, the severely damage any political movement they infiltrate. They discredit any public figure short-sighted enough to indulge them.
Given their small numbers, occasional libertarian pandering to the “inside job” morons yields no theoretical benefit greater than a few additional comments on a YouTube video.
Worse, they’ve actually made intelligent discussion more difficult. Questions about the government’s lack of readiness for 9/11, for example, now carry the unmistakable whiff of fringe kookiness.
So do demands for basic government t***sparency, like calling for more of the 9/11 Commission report to be declassified. Mention this idea and some people will move away before you start ranting about the moon landing being f**e.
That’s too bad, because some accountability has been lost in the inside job nonsense. Before we gave the federal government new powers in the aftermath of the attacks, it would have been helpful to know how many of their existing powers weren’t used properly.
We do know a bit about dots that weren’t connected, threats that might not have been taken seriously enough, visa applications that should have been rejected. But undoubtedly there is more.
Far from exposing the t***h, the 9/11 t***hers’ nuttiness has made political and bureaucratic ass-covering easier. By making the issue government malevolence, they distracted from an important discussion of government competence.
Why do you think George W. Bush’s approval ratings, which rose to the stratosphere after 9/11, tanked after Katrina?
Because many Americans thought Bush’s resolute response to 9/11 meant the government would be better prepared for big catastrophes in the future. The heckuva job they did after Katrina made them doubt it.
The Obama administration’s efforts to rechristen terrorism “man-caused disasters” notwithstanding, there’s obviously a big difference between a weather event and a terrorist attack. But the American people understandably expect their government to be up to either challenge.
We needed a real movement to hold the government to higher standards. Instead we got the 9/11 t***hers.
Conspiracy theorists pose as bold t***h-tellers willing to follow the facts wherever they go. But when they are not merely silly, they usually wind up facilitating propaganda and lies.
And that’s the real t***h.
The t***hers don’t believe men with ties to an Islamist terror group hijacked airplanes and flew them into the twin towers or the Pentagon. In some cases, they don’t believe planes hit these buildings at all. At minimum, they maintain the government orchestrated or at least permitted the attacks.
Writing about such bizarre conspiracy theorists may seem like an easy lay-up for a columnist, much like denouncing child molesters or praising puppies.
Is it really worth it to poke such a marginal group? My inbox will be flooded with missives from amateur explosives and metallic experts explaining in all caps that steel doesn’t melt. My ears will be pierced by the screams of a thousand forty-year-olds crying out from their mothers’ basements.
There is no point in arguing with people who cling even to benign conspiracy theories. If you believe Paul McCartney is dead or the earth is flat, there is no amount of evidence I can provide that will convince you otherwise. It’s an even greater waste of time arguing with twisted people who pretend to believe the Holocaust never happened, when their real complaint is that its death toll wasn’t big enough for them.
No one this side of Donte Stallworth has ever changed their mind about 9/11 t***herism.
Finally, people occasionally make the following argument: Yes, the cheese has slipped off the 9/11 t***hers’ c*****rs, but has their impact really been as destructive as, say, some of the overblown theories about Saddam Hussein leading up to the Iraq war?
My response: might the Iraq war debate have been less one-sided a dozen years ago if the people who were arguing with the accredited intelligence agencies asserting the existence of weapons of mass destruction had been less associated with ANSWER c****es and 9/11 deniers?
T***herism distorts these debates to this day. When someone mentions Iraq war advocacy that far predated 9/11 or talks about ISIS as an unintended consequence of that war, it’s still too easy to dismiss them as engaging in t***her-like fantasies.
Indeed, there are already ISIS t***hers.
Here’s the t***h about the t***hers: like termites, the severely damage any political movement they infiltrate. They discredit any public figure short-sighted enough to indulge them.
Given their small numbers, occasional libertarian pandering to the “inside job” morons yields no theoretical benefit greater than a few additional comments on a YouTube video.
Worse, they’ve actually made intelligent discussion more difficult. Questions about the government’s lack of readiness for 9/11, for example, now carry the unmistakable whiff of fringe kookiness.
So do demands for basic government t***sparency, like calling for more of the 9/11 Commission report to be declassified. Mention this idea and some people will move away before you start ranting about the moon landing being f**e.
That’s too bad, because some accountability has been lost in the inside job nonsense. Before we gave the federal government new powers in the aftermath of the attacks, it would have been helpful to know how many of their existing powers weren’t used properly.
We do know a bit about dots that weren’t connected, threats that might not have been taken seriously enough, visa applications that should have been rejected. But undoubtedly there is more.
Far from exposing the t***h, the 9/11 t***hers’ nuttiness has made political and bureaucratic ass-covering easier. By making the issue government malevolence, they distracted from an important discussion of government competence.
Why do you think George W. Bush’s approval ratings, which rose to the stratosphere after 9/11, tanked after Katrina?
Because many Americans thought Bush’s resolute response to 9/11 meant the government would be better prepared for big catastrophes in the future. The heckuva job they did after Katrina made them doubt it.
The Obama administration’s efforts to rechristen terrorism “man-caused disasters” notwithstanding, there’s obviously a big difference between a weather event and a terrorist attack. But the American people understandably expect their government to be up to either challenge.
We needed a real movement to hold the government to higher standards. Instead we got the 9/11 t***hers.
Conspiracy theorists pose as bold t***h-tellers willing to follow the facts wherever they go. But when they are not merely silly, they usually wind up facilitating propaganda and lies.
And that’s the real t***h.
Sep 8, 2020 17:34:10 #
Six really stupid 9/11 conspiracies debunked in about six seconds
PSYCHOLOGISTS will tell you that even perfectly sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such theories.
It's all linked to self-esteem. If you're the sort of person who feels isolated or disenfranchised, you're much more likely to develop wild theories as a way of making you seem more knowledgeable, more powerful, more special.
That might help explain why many Americans are into conspiracies. The irony of our technologically over-connected age is that there are scores of socially disconnected people sitting in dark rooms extrapolating all sorts of crap from factoids they find online. Here are six of the worst:
STUPID THEORY 1: The US government did it
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: People who say it was an inside job are split into two camps. There are those who say the US government cooked up and enacted the whole crazy plot, and those who say they let it happen without intervention. In both cases, conspir****ts generally claim that the aim was to give the Bush government an excuse to wage war on the Islamic world.
So here's your simple rebuttal. US governments have shown for decades that they will intervene when and where it suits them. The last thing they need to do to justify any foreign policy is k**l 3000 of their own citizens.
STUPID THEORY 2: The twin towers did not collapse. They were demolished.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: 9/11 "t***hers", who would perhaps be more accurately described as 9/11 "liars", like to rope in an expert to tell you that no office fire ever made a building topple. Well, that'd be because no office fire was ever as big as these two, with as much jet fuel to help it along.
But the real reason the twin towers collapsed was structural. Most buildings have their core structural supports at the centre. The towers had some major central steel columns, but that elegant exterior steel shell was also crucial in providing perimeter support. Also, the perimeter columns supported massive steel trusses which supported each floor.
So basically, when the exterior of the building was penetrated so devastatingly by the planes, the structure's ability to hold itself up was threatened. So when one floor went, the combined weight meant they all went.
STUPID THEORY 3: World Trade Center 7 did not collapse. It was demolished.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: Riiiight, so the world's tallest tower collapses on its neighbour less than 200m across the road. You've got 110 storeys of rubble pummelling a 47-storey building, setting it on fire, covering it in untold extra weight and inflicted untold stresses. And later that day, when the smaller building collapses, it's obvious the CIA did it with explosives. And Elvis left the building right before it happened.
Oh, and if you want a secondary explanation of why the building really wasn't toppled by mysterious people with explosives, try googling any of the so-called architects or engineers in the wacky YouTube vids. Almost none of them appear to be either a) currently employed or b) affiliated with any group other than 9/11 conspiracy groups.
STUPID THEORY 4: FLIGHT 93 was shot down in Pennsylvania and the people who were supposedly on it were murdered or relocated.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: The small jet flying low in the area, which some believe shot down Flight 93, was in fact a business jet which had been instructed to fly low to inspect the wreckage. Also, the log of calls made from Flight 93 is pretty compelling evidence that those were real people aboard a hijacked jet. If these people are actors who are actually still alive somewhere, the real mystery is why they haven't made squillions in Hollywood. Because they were seriously convincing.
STUPID THEORY 5: There was no "stand down" order, which proves the US government dunnit.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: A stand down order is an order from the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) to scramble fighter jets. This didn't happen until too late on September 11, prompting conspir****ts to say the government deliberately held off to let the carnage unfold.
But NORAD didn't actually track flights within America prior to 9/11. Also, the hijackers turned off the t***sponders on their planes, which meant Air Traffic Control couldn't track them. And NORAD needed an alert from Air Traffic Control to act. So basically, you had a system which ensured bureaucratic bungles, but that's a far cry from complicit officials.
STUPID THEORY 6: They weren't planes, they were missiles.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: Some of the worst nutters claim that the original planes which struck the twin towers weren't planes but missiles. This was fuelled by an early eyewitness account broadcast on live TV from a journalist who said he thought the first plane had no windows. But the journalist saw the plane in a blink of his eye - a fact ignored by conspir****ts who have seized on this statement.
The obvious plane-sized holes in the buildings are a bit of a giveaway too. But you know, maybe they were just caused by Batman or something.
PSYCHOLOGISTS will tell you that even perfectly sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such theories.
It's all linked to self-esteem. If you're the sort of person who feels isolated or disenfranchised, you're much more likely to develop wild theories as a way of making you seem more knowledgeable, more powerful, more special.
That might help explain why many Americans are into conspiracies. The irony of our technologically over-connected age is that there are scores of socially disconnected people sitting in dark rooms extrapolating all sorts of crap from factoids they find online. Here are six of the worst:
STUPID THEORY 1: The US government did it
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: People who say it was an inside job are split into two camps. There are those who say the US government cooked up and enacted the whole crazy plot, and those who say they let it happen without intervention. In both cases, conspir****ts generally claim that the aim was to give the Bush government an excuse to wage war on the Islamic world.
So here's your simple rebuttal. US governments have shown for decades that they will intervene when and where it suits them. The last thing they need to do to justify any foreign policy is k**l 3000 of their own citizens.
STUPID THEORY 2: The twin towers did not collapse. They were demolished.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: 9/11 "t***hers", who would perhaps be more accurately described as 9/11 "liars", like to rope in an expert to tell you that no office fire ever made a building topple. Well, that'd be because no office fire was ever as big as these two, with as much jet fuel to help it along.
But the real reason the twin towers collapsed was structural. Most buildings have their core structural supports at the centre. The towers had some major central steel columns, but that elegant exterior steel shell was also crucial in providing perimeter support. Also, the perimeter columns supported massive steel trusses which supported each floor.
So basically, when the exterior of the building was penetrated so devastatingly by the planes, the structure's ability to hold itself up was threatened. So when one floor went, the combined weight meant they all went.
STUPID THEORY 3: World Trade Center 7 did not collapse. It was demolished.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: Riiiight, so the world's tallest tower collapses on its neighbour less than 200m across the road. You've got 110 storeys of rubble pummelling a 47-storey building, setting it on fire, covering it in untold extra weight and inflicted untold stresses. And later that day, when the smaller building collapses, it's obvious the CIA did it with explosives. And Elvis left the building right before it happened.
Oh, and if you want a secondary explanation of why the building really wasn't toppled by mysterious people with explosives, try googling any of the so-called architects or engineers in the wacky YouTube vids. Almost none of them appear to be either a) currently employed or b) affiliated with any group other than 9/11 conspiracy groups.
STUPID THEORY 4: FLIGHT 93 was shot down in Pennsylvania and the people who were supposedly on it were murdered or relocated.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: The small jet flying low in the area, which some believe shot down Flight 93, was in fact a business jet which had been instructed to fly low to inspect the wreckage. Also, the log of calls made from Flight 93 is pretty compelling evidence that those were real people aboard a hijacked jet. If these people are actors who are actually still alive somewhere, the real mystery is why they haven't made squillions in Hollywood. Because they were seriously convincing.
STUPID THEORY 5: There was no "stand down" order, which proves the US government dunnit.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: A stand down order is an order from the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) to scramble fighter jets. This didn't happen until too late on September 11, prompting conspir****ts to say the government deliberately held off to let the carnage unfold.
But NORAD didn't actually track flights within America prior to 9/11. Also, the hijackers turned off the t***sponders on their planes, which meant Air Traffic Control couldn't track them. And NORAD needed an alert from Air Traffic Control to act. So basically, you had a system which ensured bureaucratic bungles, but that's a far cry from complicit officials.
STUPID THEORY 6: They weren't planes, they were missiles.
SIMPLE REBUTTAL: Some of the worst nutters claim that the original planes which struck the twin towers weren't planes but missiles. This was fuelled by an early eyewitness account broadcast on live TV from a journalist who said he thought the first plane had no windows. But the journalist saw the plane in a blink of his eye - a fact ignored by conspir****ts who have seized on this statement.
The obvious plane-sized holes in the buildings are a bit of a giveaway too. But you know, maybe they were just caused by Batman or something.
Sep 8, 2020 18:04:20 #
Operation Northwoods is a myth too....
There have been numerous 'false f**g' operations in this country's history. We'll never know how many were stopped - like Operation Northwoods. 9/11 is on a much larger scale and I have no answer but I will say there are legitimate questions that are given some pretty lame answers. Like how both towers collapsed neatly straight down.
There have been numerous 'false f**g' operations in this country's history. We'll never know how many were stopped - like Operation Northwoods. 9/11 is on a much larger scale and I have no answer but I will say there are legitimate questions that are given some pretty lame answers. Like how both towers collapsed neatly straight down.
Sep 8, 2020 19:59:16 #
Rose42 wrote:
Operation Northwoods is a myth too....
There have been numerous 'false f**g' operations in this country's history. We'll never know how many were stopped - like Operation Northwoods. 9/11 is on a much larger scale and I have no answer but I will say there are legitimate questions that are given some pretty lame answers. Like how both towers collapsed neatly straight down.
There have been numerous 'false f**g' operations in this country's history. We'll never know how many were stopped - like Operation Northwoods. 9/11 is on a much larger scale and I have no answer but I will say there are legitimate questions that are given some pretty lame answers. Like how both towers collapsed neatly straight down.
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Connect the Dots... Why Trump will never be allowed to do full disclosures of the 9/11 reports to the 9/11 Families...
Connect a dot ... go ahead do it...
Just imagine what Trump and his deep state buddies would expose if they did... ?
So sad really
Just so sad the level of Bamboozling of the Stupid Sheeple by Masters of Propaganda lies, trickery and deceit.
Imagine how the 9/11 families feel ?
Sick n twisted scumbags who walk amongst us... guilty of Mass Murder of our own people...
Sep 9, 2020 16:53:30 #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Some of those I'd never heard before a couple you didn't go deep enough into. I don't know why you seem to have a blindspot when it comes to Bush but okay. Sici, I think you and I agree on this one the muzzies were there, but they just had box cutters. I wasn't even thinking about steel doesn't melt because EVERYTHING MELTS what I was thinking was WTC7 didn't go down that fast just because a jet crashed into it. First responder, but in t***h did I see the inside? No. You were right Sici connect the dots, you just have the wrong president. The same as there were no WMDs and there should never have been a Patriot Act. I'll tell you what I did see. In the street I guess two blocks from ground zero a plane fuselage. A short glance, one wing was broken and I don't think anyone was still in it. Picking up rocks, praying nobody would be under, some were.
The Pennsylvania flight, the passengers fought with the terrorists and won, so you don't think I'm on their side.
Sep 9, 2020 21:28:24 #
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
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I’ll just close with the same thing everyone else who agrees with me that there will never be Full Disclosures and the whole thing was staged.
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