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Jul 27, 2014 12:07:19 #
Searching wrote:
Ahhh, I respectfully disagree with you. My parents... (show quote)
That is baloney. Romans 9 verses 14 -23
Jul 27, 2014 12:55:37 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
robby1 wrote:
That is baloney. Romans 9 verses 14 -23
Baloney? :shock: That was a respectful response. :roll:
Jul 27, 2014 13:56:34 #
Jul 27, 2014 14:31:01 #
robby1 wrote:
I don't know who told you that but it is not true.... (show quote)
I gently disagree with you, you speak of choices, think about what you said, "don't confuse choices with free will"
Adam did not have choices OR free will until AFTER he was created, one needs consciousness to make choices. An unborn child has neither total consciousness or ability to make choices. Lazarus, was dead no ability to make a choice only to do God's will.
Now I say this to you, freewill is a God given gift to make choices otherwise there would be no choices to make because we would All be mindless automatons, but God, in His wisdom, gave us the freewill to choose, His way or our own way it's a freewill CHOICE that each of us makes everyday. Unfortunately it would seem that the world at large chooses to abuse that freewill to choose things that are not the things God would choose. Do you see?
Many of us CHOOSE to use our freewill to submit ourselves to God's will. Our choice. :) :-)
Jul 27, 2014 14:37:33 #
Searching wrote:
Ahhh, I respectfully disagree with you. My parents... (show quote)
Good reply. :thumbup: :thumbup: :) :)
Jul 27, 2014 14:41:15 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
robby1 wrote:
Look it up.
I did...immediately upon your referencing it. The verses did not change my opinion. I did, however, see your point.
That is what free will is all about. Just as you have the free will/right to regard another's opinion as 'baloney', they have the free will/right to respectfully disagree. People disagree all the time.
Ms. Searching gave a very respectful response to your opinion, and you dismissed her's as 'baloney'. You are better than that, I believe, Robby. :wink:
Jul 27, 2014 15:28:26 #
slatten49 wrote:
I did...immediately upon your referencing it. The verses did not change my opinion. I did, however, see your point.
That is what free will is all about. Just as you have the free will/right to regard another's opinion as 'baloney', they have the free will/right to respectfully disagree. People disagree all the time.
Ms. Searching gave a very respectful response to your opinion, and you dismissed her's as 'baloney'. You are better than that, I believe, Robby. :wink:
That is what free will is all about. Just as you have the free will/right to regard another's opinion as 'baloney', they have the free will/right to respectfully disagree. People disagree all the time.
Ms. Searching gave a very respectful response to your opinion, and you dismissed her's as 'baloney'. You are better than that, I believe, Robby. :wink:
I guess we have gone the limit with this. Lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Jul 27, 2014 15:46:07 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
robby1 wrote:
I guess we have gone the limit with this. Lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Fair, enough, fellow Jarhead. We are good to go. :thumbup:
Jul 27, 2014 16:29:41 #
AuntiE wrote:
One of our members has a painful issue with his back. No, it is not Armie this time.
I would bet he created the issue while caring for his dogs or tending his large garden.
We need to ask for help for Loki.
He has a preexisting back issue. He does not need more pain! :!:
Raise your voices.
I would bet he created the issue while caring for his dogs or tending his large garden.
We need to ask for help for Loki.
He has a preexisting back issue. He does not need more pain! :!:
Raise your voices.
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I can understand totally. I've had very painful back issues for over 40 years, 3 surgeries down and another "big one" in the planning stages. Been on pain meds for the last 20 years in one form or another.
Loki, politics aside, you're in my prayers for relief and recovery. I wish you the best, man.
Take care,
alabuck
Jul 27, 2014 16:34:50 #
Wolf counselor wrote:
perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim
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Quote by Ovid, it says "Perfer et obdura dolor hic tibi proderit olim. " T***slates to "Be patient and tough; someday this pain will be useful to you.".
Jul 27, 2014 16:44:27 #
Searching wrote:
Ahhh, I respectfully disagree with you. My parents... (show quote)
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I always thought Adam had free will to rejects Eve's offering him of the "forbidden fruit." Also, Adam had no sin until his "free will" allowed him to eat that fruit. Then, Adam knew sin. Sin was in the world; just not the the Garden until the serpent showed-up and tempted Eve. Eve had the "free will" not to listen to the serpent, too. She, via her " free will," chose to listen to the serpent.
It all went down-hill from there.
Jul 27, 2014 17:26:07 #
alabuck wrote:
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I always thought Adam had free will to rejects Eve's offering him of the "forbidden fruit." Also, Adam had no sin until his "free will" allowed him to eat that fruit. Then, Adam knew sin. Sin was in the world; just not the the Garden until the serpent showed-up and tempted Eve. Eve had the "free will" not to listen to the serpent, too. She, via her " free will," chose to listen to the serpent.
It all went down-hill from there.
I always thought Adam had free will to rejects Eve's offering him of the "forbidden fruit." Also, Adam had no sin until his "free will" allowed him to eat that fruit. Then, Adam knew sin. Sin was in the world; just not the the Garden until the serpent showed-up and tempted Eve. Eve had the "free will" not to listen to the serpent, too. She, via her " free will," chose to listen to the serpent.
It all went down-hill from there.
They both had freewill, but it was the freewill "Coupled" with a bad choice in using it. We all have the freewill God gave us and choices to make in using it. There will be consequences or rewards for the choices we make in using that freewill. But thank God for His acceptance and forgiveness if we repent when we use against His Will.
:thumbup: :) :) :thumbup:
Jul 27, 2014 17:37:07 #
alabuck wrote:
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I always thought Adam had free will to rejects Eve's offering him of the "forbidden fruit." Also, Adam had no sin until his "free will" allowed him to eat that fruit. Then, Adam knew sin. Sin was in the world; just not the the Garden until the serpent showed-up and tempted Eve. Eve had the "free will" not to listen to the serpent, too. She, via her " free will," chose to listen to the serpent.
It all went down-hill from there.
I always thought Adam had free will to rejects Eve's offering him of the "forbidden fruit." Also, Adam had no sin until his "free will" allowed him to eat that fruit. Then, Adam knew sin. Sin was in the world; just not the the Garden until the serpent showed-up and tempted Eve. Eve had the "free will" not to listen to the serpent, too. She, via her " free will," chose to listen to the serpent.
It all went down-hill from there.
In Romans chap 8 verse 20 God tells us that he knew Adam would sin and He let him.
Jul 27, 2014 18:17:11 #
robby1 wrote:
In Romans chap 8 verse 20 God tells us that he knew Adam would sin and He let him.
Again, freewill, the Lord is not going to "force" you to do the right thing it's always our CHOICE. So broadly speaking, sin, is really a "mistake" one makes and if he is truly repentant of it, it is forgiven, bad choice. But if the sin(mistake) is willful and continually so, well then one may have a serious problem.
Our Lord knows full well we are going to screw it up at times, its how we deal with it when we do, that's what makes the difference.
Jul 27, 2014 18:22:03 #
semper-fi wrote:
Has anyone got any news on Rhomin? She has been in my prayers since I heard of her black mould encounter.
Nothing here, I PMed her but, like Arm no response. We'll keep the line open.
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