Ricktloml

Sad, but too true

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Everyone that dies from underlying circumstances and has C***d is listed as death by C***d. except G****e F***d.

kenshi12 Loc: Oppressed Virginia

There is clearly a lack of standardization in reporting of the Chinese v***s (aka C****-**) deaths. While there can be disagreement on how such deaths are reported, states need to review the 'data' and explain how a determination is made. That will certainly be time consuming and expensive, but is necessary to obtain an accurate accounting of the cause of death if it is the Chinese v***s.

I am aware there are some egregious examples of reporting that the Chinese v***s is responsible for a death: A non-symptomatic motorcycle rider, age 29, crashes into a concrete abutment and is instantly k**led; the autopsy shows the person is positive for the Chinese v***s - the death certificate issued lists the cause of death as "C****-**" - that is ridiculous. A non-symptomatic person age 79, who has experienced multiple heart attacks, is diabetic, suffers failure of both kidneys and is on dialysis suffers another heart attack and dies; the autopsy shows the person is positive for the Chinese v***s - the death certificate issued lists the cause of death as "C****-**" - but the doctor who has been treating the patient for years says it should be heart failure -- but the state knows better...

Some may claim such reporting is simply a mistake and the numbers of such errors, if there are any, are so low as to not be a factor. There may be some people or organizations that want as many deaths as possible assigned to the Chinese v***s, but even those people and organizations should understand accuracy is more important than trying to influence the reporting for some advantage.

As more testing takes place and we learn there are many more people testing positive for the Chinese v***s and are non-symptomatic, the mortality rate drops. This may disturb those people vested in proving the Chinese v***s is the worse p******c ever and our nation must simply shut down until the v***s is gone - but that would only k**l society as we now accept it to be.

History tells us "we" have been in this situation in the past. Check Wikipedia for the first year of the Peloponnese War - “The Plague of Athens was an epidemic that devastated the city-state of Athens in ancient Greece during the second year of the Peloponnesian War (430 BC) when an Athenian victory still seemed within reach. The plague k**led an estimated 75,000 to 100,000 people and is believed to have entered Athens through Piraeus, the city's port and sole source of food and supplies. Much of the eastern Mediterranean also saw an outbreak of the disease, albeit with less impact. The plague had serious effects on Athens' society, resulting in a lack of adherence to laws and religious belief; in response laws became stricter, resulting in the punishment of non-citizens claiming to be Athenian. In addition, Pericles, the leader of Athens, died from the plague. The plague returned twice more, in 429 BC and in the winter of 427/426 BC. Some 30 pathogens have been suggested as having caused the plague.

Social Impact:
Accounts of the Athenian plague graphically describe the social consequences of an epidemic. Thucydides' account clearly details the complete disappearance of social morals during the time of the plague:
...the catastrophe was so overwhelming that men, not knowing what would happen next to them, became indifferent to every rule of religion or law.”
— Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

This perceived impact of the Athenian plague on collective social and religious behavior echoes accounts of the medieval p******c best known as the Black Death, although scholars have disputed its objective veracity in both instances, citing a historical link between epidemic disease and unsubstantiated moral panic…Those who tended to the ill were most vulnerable to catching the disease…During this time refugees from the Peloponnesian war had immigrated within the Long Walls of Athens, inflating the populations of both the polis of Athens and the port of Piraeus. The population had tripled in this time increasing chance of infection along with poor hygiene. During this time refugees from the Peloponnesian war had immigrated within the Long Walls of Athens, inflating the populations of both the polis of Athens and the port of Piraeus. The population had tripled in this time increasing chance of infection along with poor hygiene.

Fear of the law
Thucydides states that people ceased fearing the law since they felt they were already living under a death sentence. Likewise, people started spending money indiscriminately. Many felt they would not live long enough to enjoy the fruits of wise investment, while some of the poor unexpectedly became wealthy by inheriting the property of their relatives. It is also recorded that people refused to behave honorably because most did not expect to live long enough to enjoy a good reputation for it.

The Disease
Thucydides' narrative pointedly refers to increased risk among caregivers, more typical of the person-to-person contact spread of v***l hemorrhagic fever (e.g., Ebola v***s disease or Marburg v***s) than typhus or typhoid. Unusual in the history of plagues during military operations, besieging Spartan troops are described as not having been afflicted by the illness raging near them within the city.
According to Thucydides, those who had become ill and survived were the most sympathetic to others suffering: believing that they could no longer succumb to any illness; “…These knew what it was from experience, and had now no fear for themselves; for the same man was never attacked twice – never at least fatally.” A number of survivors (successfully) offered to assist with the remaining sick.

Thucydides noted the illness began by showing symptoms in the head as it worked its way through the rest of the body; he described in detail the symptoms victims of the plague experienced: Fever; Redness/inflammation in the eyes; Sore Throats leading to bleeding & bad breath; Sneezing; Loss of voice; Coughing; Vomiting; Pustules & ulcers on the body; Extreme thirst; Insomnia; Diarrhea."

Here’s some more from Wikipedia, and is quoted.

“The name commemorates St. Cyprian, bishop of Carthage, an early Christian writer who witnessed and described the plague. The agent of the plague is highly speculative because of sparse sourcing, but suspects have included smallpox, p******c influenza and v***l hemorrhagic fever (filov***ses) like the Ebola v***s

Plague of Cyprian:
In 250 to 262, at the height of the outbreak, 5,000 people a day were said to be dying in Rome. Cyprian's biographer, Pontius of Carthage wrote of the plague at Carthage:
Afterwards there broke out a dreadful plague, and excessive destruction of a h**eful disease invaded every house in succession of the trembling populace, carrying off day by day with abrupt attack numberless people, everyone from his own house. All were shuddering, fleeing, shunning the contagion, impiously exposing their own friends, as if with the exclusion of the person who was sure to die of the plague, one could exclude death itself also. There lay about the meanwhile, over the whole city, no longer bodies, but the carcasses of many, and, by the contemplation of a lot which in their turn would be theirs, demanded the pity of the passers-by for themselves. No one regarded anything besides his cruel gains. No one trembled at the remembrance of a similar event. No one did to another what he himself wished to experience.

Cyprian drew moralizing analogies in his sermons to the Christian community and drew a word picture of the plague's symptoms in his essay De mortalitate ("On the Plague"):

This trial, that now the bowels, relaxed into a constant flux, discharge the bodily strength; that a fire originated in the marrow ferments into wounds of the fauces (faces); that the intestines are shaken with a continual vomiting; that the eyes are on fire with the injected blood; that in some cases the feet or some parts of the limbs are taken off by the contagion of diseased putrefaction; that from the weakness arising by the maiming and loss of the body, either the gait is enfeebled, or the hearing is obstructed, or the sight darkened;—is profitable as a proof of faith. What a grandeur of spirit it is to struggle with all the powers of an unshaken mind against so many onsets of devastation and death! what sublimity, to stand erect amid the desolation of the human race, and not to lie prostrate with those who have no hope in God; but rather to rejoice, and to embrace the benefit of the occasion; that in thus bravely showing forth our faith, and by suffering endured, going forward to Christ by the narrow way that Christ trod, we may receive the reward of His life and faith according to His own judgment!

Accounts of the plague date about from AD 249 to 262. There was a latter incident in 270 that involved the death of Claudius II Gothicus, but it is unknown if this was the same plague or a different outbreak. According to the Historia Augusta, "in the consulship of Antiochianus and Orfitus the favour of heaven furthered Claudius' success [Note: This IS NOT the Claudius that preceded Nero]. For a great multitude, the survivors of the barbarian tribes, who had gathered in Haemimontum (Balkans) were so stricken with famine and pestilence that Claudius now scorned to conquer them further... during this same period the Scythians attempted to plunder in Crete and Cyprus as well, but everywhere their armies were likewise stricken with pestilence and so were defeated."

I’ll close this with this observation: The numbers are difficult to discern in each of these p******cs (and there are many more throughout history), but clearly there were high death rates. The interesting part is the development of “herd immunization” in each of these p******cs. I suspect we have millions – tens of millions – Americans, who if tested today, would prove positive and are a-symptomatic. Most a-symptomatic individuals remember having a cold or perhaps one day when they experienced sinus issues – like too much pollen in the air – and thought nothing of it.

We need accurate data, not a broad acceptance that all deaths are caused by the Chinese v***s if the person tests positive.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

Excellent post, unfortunately the trolls here will not take it to heart. They seem to think this p******c is totally unique and is all Trump's fault.

jwrevagent

I agree that it is an excellent post. My take on this is that I do not believe anything the "experts" say about the v***s, how many deaths or how many cases there are. These are the same people who have a vested interest in selling us the "cure" and the v*****e. Many of those who are profiting mightily from this have investments to protect in China, some have even given scientific data and tools to the same Chinese who came up with this v***s and unleashed it on the world.

And then we have the corrupt politicians who railed against Trump when he tried to slow the v***s coming here-remember the Speaker inviting everyone to China Town to celebrate? Remember Cuomo and DeBlasio poo poohing the danger? Even Trump bought into the idea that it was not all that serious for a while. Then it was "mask" then "don't mask", and then they shut everything down, causing the poorest students to fall further behind in school-and adults to lose their jobs, so they are dependent on government.

But then, if you want to take over a country, you need people to be uneducated and unable to think for themselves-you need them fearful of their neighbors, and afraid to go outside their homes-can't visit Grandma because she is "vulnerable"! Nuts to that.

Between the lying corrupt politicians, and the medical "experts" who are in their pockets, I cannot imagine why anyone believes any of it. So, is it actually that serious? I doubt it. But they have succeeded in disrupting schools-and trying mightily to shut down private and charter schools-they have succeeded in at least slowing the number of people who worship at church personally, thus depriving them of the comfort of actually seeing and speaking with those who believe as they do. And now they tell us that too many people are buying guns and ammunition and they are trying to stop that. The goal? Complete submission to the elite rulers on the part of the populace, based on fear, or ignorance-they do not care, as long as we submit.

To each of the restrictions there are exemptions for the elites, of course. And there are many examples of their total hypocrisy. B*M can march and destroy and not be masked-I am nearly choking on saying that, it is so ludicrous. Protesters can march and link arms and hold hands, and that is fine. Casinos and the gambling and drinking and wh**ever other kinds of stupidity go on there are "necessary", and when I church group takes part of a casino, following all the nonsense rules with which the state burdens them, the casino is threatened with revocation of their license.

The k*****g of unborn or about to be born of born by mistake babies must go on-it is necessary. If you really want to decrease the death rate, close the a******n mills till the p******c is over. The hypocrisy is so prevalent and so obvious, and they are not even embarrassed! And now we have a candidate for vp who brings a new low to standards and ethics.

This e******n is very important, not only for the "soul" of America, but to tell whether or not America still has a soul to be saved. I am very afraid it has sold it for what passes for "safety". You give up freedom for safety, you end up with neither.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

It's tough to offer a counterpoint to the information about the c****a v***s. Big tech has decided that only certain experts opinions count. If someone, even another expert in the field, offers different information big tech deletes it as spreading disinformation. Hydroxycloroquin has been proven effectiveness in numerous studies, with only a couple of flawed studies saying otherwise. Yet, big tech has decided any pro hydroxycloroquin is disinformation and is deleted. I have read of some studies that ivermectin has also been effective against the c****a v***s. I'm familiar with the use of ivermectin in treating for parasites. I would like more information about how this works on a v***s. It seems to me the more information we have, the less susceptible we would be to disinformation.

jwrevagent

And that is why they will not allow the free exchange of information or ideas to happen. If we actually had access to the t***h, we may decide for ourselves. The idea is to make us believe that THEY, and only they, know the facts and we certainly cannot understand or assimilate them-thus we must depend on them to tell us what we should do, how we should believe, and what we should support. Next generation will be much easier to control-this one, and mine,I am 77, know what being free is-this one not as much as I, but still enough that they remember that they were quite able to fend for themselves. When we are all gone, people will simply follow-no questions asked. All that is required is a little patience on their part and a willingness to let the next of their ilk handle it. They have set the stage very well.

Sew_What

175,000 unnecessary deaths....would not agree with this...

Sew_What

"They"

Apparently you've never dealt with warranty riddled car.

jwrevagent

Not sure what you mean. What is a "warranty riddled car"? By "they", I mean the elites, the power brokers, the people financing this disaster-the unseen pullers of the strings.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

As opposed to necessary deaths?

PJT

C***d19 is disturbing. First, Democrats want unity but blame Trump for it and do nothing to really conquer the problem...and the media doesn't even question Dems on it.
2. Its so logical that Red China started this v***s and intentionally spread it around the world but first and foremost spread it to America.
Bit Dems don't even seem concerned with what Red China did.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Hell they aren’t even concerned with what Cuomo did.

PJT

Not concerned w. Cuomo or gov of Minn.
Or mayors of Portland or Chicago and other cities.

Radiance3

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C***d ** deaths are inflated. All deaths were counted as C***d19/ Even nurses working on the front lines know about that.
They were told to keep quiet, or else. F***i and Obama's project is using C***d ** as tools to finally destroy president Trump. And to date, it has been the most powerful weapon ever launched by Barack Obama from Kenya. This totally devastated tens of thousands of dead people, majority of them are the erderly. And next devastating effect is the downing of our economy. No one has ever been successful before on all those attacks against the president except this F***i C****av***s invented in W***n, China.