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FallenOak Loc: St George Utah

permafrost wrote:

Oak,,, charges against a lobby/sales organization has nothing at all to do with the 2nd amendment..

and this is a civil suit.. it will take years to run its course and appeals will make lawyers rich..

What do you see wrong with the 14th amendment??

The 14th Amendment was passed to grant citizenship to people who were born to to parents who were s***es in America prior to the Civil War. My personal belief is that a short time law should have settled the question. We would not have the anchor baby question now if our congress had been as farsighted in 1860’s as the congress was in the 1770’s. Or maybe we should realize that on occasion an amendment might be passed that was in error. The 18th and 21st amendment come to mind.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

saltwind 78 wrote:

Capt., The NRA has broken the law. It is supposed to be a non profit organization. It is estimated that the leader of the NRA has stolen over sixty million dollars from NRA financial supporters for his own personal use. Thats a hell of a lot of money, and if true it must be dealt with.

That's the CEO, NOT the organization. It happens al the time in businesses all across the world. The thing is, laws are not passed to shut any of those businesses down.
But, MY money is on Gun Owners of America. They have never sold out or c*********d, and the l*****t House and Senate H**E the organization. Their budget is far smaller the that of the NRA, but they get so much more accomplished.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

permafrost wrote:

Never was a f**e impeachment document..

trump was impeached, it is history.. one of 3 presidents to be impeached..

Why do you folks remember that he was impeached, but do not ever mention that he was not guilty?
Could it be that your motives are, dare I say it, less indignation and more political?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Milosia2 wrote:

Oh, Emily
Say it isn’t so.
Wayne LaPierre’s castles and other extravagant ill gotten gains may be forfeited
For laundering Russian Money??????
And other illegal UnAmerican Activities?????
The Cornerstone the Republican
2nd Amendment???
The P***e of The RepubliPIGs ???
Going down in flames!!!!!

If certain people in the NRA are having difficulties, that in no shape or form nullifies the Second Amendment.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

permafrost wrote:

Never was a f**e impeachment document..

trump was impeached, it is history.. one of 3 presidents to be impeached..

And found not guilty by a unbiased government Senate.

elledee

Blade_Runner wrote:

That is not true. Only four current and former members of NRA senior leadership are named in the suit. The NRA is governed by a board of 76 directors elected by the membership. Many of the current directors have challenged LaPierre and Co, and have attempted to deal with this internally.

There are approximately 5.5 million NRA members representing 6% of American gun owners. The NRA is just one of over 15 national gun rights groups and 2nd amendment defenders and there are gun rights groups in nearly every state in the union.

43% (142 million) of adult Americans own at least one gun, and the numbers are climbing rapidly.

The attempt to dismantle the entire NRA has nothing whatsoever to do with corruption in NRA leadership, the lawsuit is purely political and is another frivolous shot at our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.

The Misguided Attempt to Dissolve the NRA

Closing out the week with some variety: The evidence of mismanagement and wasteful spending at the NRA is real, but New York State attorney general Letitia James is on a vendetta against the organization in just about the worst possible way; an eye-opening question about Susan Rice perhaps having undisclosed financial ties to foreign governments; Joe Biden leaves people cringing after talking about racial minorities again; and a hard t***h about our lengthy stretch of empty classrooms.

Letitia James and the NRA: Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right

Those of us with long memories all the way back to last year will remember that Allen West, former GOP congressman and NRA board member and new chairman of the Texas Republican Party, was among those who denounced “despicable spending of members’ money.” Allen West is not a liberal, a Democrat, or a gun grabber. If he sees scandalous behavior, then there’s probably a real scandal there. Some of these allegations came out during and after the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis last year; you may recall Oliver North unexpectedly declaring he would not seek another term as president, and North and Wayne LaPierre trading accusations and counter-accusations of financial mismanagement, attempts at extortion, and unjustifiable expenditures.

Back in May 2019, I wrote in the New York Post, “We don’t know if [the] New York [State attorney general’s office] investigation will uncover a lot of wrongdoing, a little — or none. But it seems like a safe bet that [Letitia] James will make the investigation as extensive, thorough and expensive as possible, right around the time the organization would like to be gearing up for a tough fight in the 2020 e******n.”

Letitia James is just about the worst person to lead any investigation of the National Rifle Association. Her effort to dissolve the organization illustrates that a knee-jerk partisan state attorney general can undermine a legitimate argument by going about their goals the wrong way.

James’s past characterization of the NRA as a “terrorist organization” and her overt public hostility toward it have given the NRA’s lawyers an easy counterargument that her lawsuit — not an indictment, which we will get to in a moment — is a partisan vendetta and an abuse of the powers of her office.

Which is a shame, because NRA members would be well-served if an impartial but tough outside authority looked at their spending over the past few years. James’s lawsuit lays out what appears to be a lot of ludicrously frivolous and luxurious expenditures on the senior leaders of the organization — chartered private jet flights for family members, gifts, membership fees for a golf club, $1,500-per-night hotels, massive expenditures on vague “consulting contracts.” Maybe it’s all lies or exaggerations, but if it is, James is taking a massive risk putting it all in a court document.

The editors point out that James isn’t indicting NRA officials on criminal charges; she’s attempting to legally dissolve the organization and doing so three months before an e******n. “If Wayne LaPierre or other NRA executives have committed a crime, then indict them and present the evidence in a criminal court. The attempt to legally dissolve the NRA instead is pure political score-settling, and an assault on the First Amendment, the rule of law, and democracy itself.” That’s just about indisputable.

That is not true. Only four current and former mem... (show quote)

Verbally beaten bloody with the facts....go blade!!!!! I sure miss Chuck

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

byronglimish wrote:

And found not guilty by a unbiased government Senate.

Not to disagree with your point, my friend, but to be honest the Senate is hardly unbiased......except, of course, when compared to the House.

jeff smith

Milosia2 wrote:

Oh, Emily
Say it isn’t so.
Wayne LaPierre’s castles and other extravagant ill gotten gains may be forfeited
For laundering Russian Money??????
And other illegal UnAmerican Activities?????
The Cornerstone the Republican
2nd Amendment???
The P***e of The RepubliPIGs ???
Going down in flames!!!!!

seems odd that if and when a member of an organization has done financial WRONGS as it is claimed to be . that it is THE person prosecuted for such wrongs . NOT the entire organization .
you may want to be careful what you wish for . the N.R.A. is a group that leads in fighting for every ones RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS . they are not terrorist as some political figures have said .
this is just another attempt to chip away at our rights .
don't know what you believe in or if you care about the rights you and all of us have . or if you think that they should all be taken away .

jeff smith

saltwind 78 wrote:

Capt., The NRA has broken the law. It is supposed to be a non profit organization. It is estimated that the leader of the NRA has stolen over sixty million dollars from NRA financial supporters for his own personal use. Thats a hell of a lot of money, and if true it must be dealt with.

then prosecute the criminal . NOT the organization . she is attacking the second amendment . may be just a small bit yet it is still another cut to our rights .
yep , a well armed malitia . it does say this PLUS it also says " AND THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON " . yet the bimbos at every chance they get do just that , chip away at OUR RIGHTS .

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

RandyBrian wrote:

Not to disagree with your point, my friend, but to be honest the Senate is hardly unbiased......except, of course, when compared to the House.

Of course.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

saltwind 78 wrote:

Capt., The NRA has broken the law. It is supposed to be a non profit organization. It is estimated that the leader of the NRA has stolen over sixty million dollars from NRA financial supporters for his own personal use. Thats a hell of a lot of money, and if true it must be dealt with.

The NRA did not break the law. If it is true that the leader of the NRA has stolen over sixty million dollars from NRA financial supporters for his own personal use (at this time it is only alleged), then he broke the law and the NRA is the victim.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

FallenOak wrote:

The 14th Amendment was passed to grant citizenship to people who were born to to parents who were s***es in America prior to the Civil War. My personal belief is that a short time law should have settled the question. We would not have the anchor baby question now if our congress had been as farsighted in 1860’s as the congress was in the 1770’s. Or maybe we should realize that on occasion an amendment might be passed that was in error. The 18th and 21st amendment come to mind.

Congress has failed to clarify birthright citizenship and no case has gone to the Supreme Court to get a ruling. Congress should pass a law to clarify who is eligible for birthright citizenship. Currently any children born to foreign diplomats do not qualify for birthright citizenship. This should be extended to disqualify any children born to i*****l a***ns and tourists and children born to anyone not authorized to be a United States resident. Maybe Trump should sign an executive order to force the issue to be dealt with.

Geezer117

kemmer wrote:

That's what the Trump Charities said before NY prosecutors shut it down for fraud.

That's what the Clinton Foundation said before it was shone to be a cash-for-access fraud, before it was revealed that less than 6% of it's money actually went to charity, before it was revealed that the Clintons used it as a personal slush fund.

Except, Democrats never go after their own, so the Clinton Foundation was allowed to quietly dissolve after donors realized that Hillary was never going to make good on the quid pro quo. I wonder what happened to all the billions?

Geezer117

Milosia2 wrote:

Thank you for the Correction.
I didn’t mean to imply it was ONLY the right.
The left of course have their share.
The Dems never really claimed it as an American institution like the RepubliPIGs.

It’s a well worn tactic of the Democrats to level extreme charges against their top enemies, and years later when the charges lose in court, well, no matter, they have done the job of getting their enemy out of the way. Democrats view this as proper use of the institutions of justice.

It’s how they got rid of Sen. Stevens of Alaska and Gov. Sarah Palin, to cite just two examples.

It’s how they hoped to get rid of President Trump, with endless investigations and nightly accusations that he is a t*****r. Except he wouldn’t surrender. If there is any lesson in the Russian collusion h**x and phony impeachment, it’s that the institutions of justice are vulnerable to misuse for purely political purposes, and Democrats are masters of their misuse.

The accusations against LaPierre and the NRA are suspiciously political, coming as they do from a Far Left Soros-backed AG on the eave of the e******n. Let’s see if Letitia can prevail in court. Most likely this is just as void of substance as the Democrats’ impeachment of President Trump.

But even if LaPierre did misuse NRA funds, it’s a huge abuse of power to try to dissolve the organization from which money was stolen. There is no precedent for that, and Democrats should beware of creating a weapon that can just as easily be used against them.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Geezer117 wrote:

It’s a well worn tactic of the Democrats to level ... (show quote)

Very clear post of the facts.

Welcome, Geezer.