Lt. Rob Polans ret.

In a way it's funny, they want a war but they won't fight it. Let the muzzies, they'll fail. Why is easy. They are afraid of Hell'sAngels and Mongols so imagine when it's them plus half or more of the military. I'm not forgetting other m*****as so it should be fun.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

That's kind of "local." A complete war for the whole country.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

You lost me at "they." Southerners? That makes no sense. Lincoln only freed s***es as an afterthought, his real feelings were black people in no way were equal to w****s. He was kind of right there some are better. You don't want to get into b****s and w****s marrying, that could make his head explode. Unfortunately, you're right about some who tear down statues and burn the f**g.

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

I can't see a way around it, something like Ike's Operation Wetback.

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FallenOak Loc: St George Utah

Sorry. I thought that the South was mostly Democrat while the North was mostly Republican. So "they" means democrat. The North was commerce and the South was agrarian. At that time the South needed s***es and the North did not. Lincoln was an expedient politician who moved as the winds shifted him, as are all politicians. This nation is lost if we cannot get rid of a class (eternal politicians) that has no more use than any other parasitic organism. One or two terms then home again jig-itty-jig.

Smedley_buzkill

Didn't exactly happen that way. South Carolina seceded legally from the Union. I can go into that in much greater detail later, I haven't time right now. The status of Fort Sumter was being negotiated when Lincoln tried to reinforce and resupply it. While it may be true that the Confederates fired warning shots at the supply ship, and did shell the Fort, no one was k**led. At the time, four of the seceding states had not yet seceded. Virginia comes to mind. Not until Lincoln tried to force them to contribute troops to an invasion of the seceded states did Virginia, (who had already v**ed once NOT to secede), hold the next plebiscite in which secession carried the day.
Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation in reality freed no one. It only applied to areas in which the Union was not in control, where it was ignored. There were four s***e states who elected to remain in the Union. Their half million s***es remained in bondage for another two plus years, until ratification of the 13th Amendment. Included in that number were the s***es formerly owned by the wife of one Ulysses S Grant, who gave hers to her father, who lived nearby, rather than free them. That way she and the good general could continue to benefit from their bondage without being saddled with the sobriquet of s***e owners.
For nearly a hundred years after the war the Democrats did everything in their power to keep the B****s subservient. Then LBJ, political opportunist that he was, stepped up to the plate with the boast that he would "have those n****rs v****g Democrat for the next 200 years."
Malcom X, a very astute fellow whether you agree with his politics or not, stated that Black people had become nothing but whores for the Democrats, and tried to convince them to not v**e en masse for a party that had basically promised them everything and delivered next to nothing.

FallenOak Loc: St George Utah

I question the statement that South Carolina seceded legally from the Union. There is not provision in the Constitution for any state to secede from the Union. Texas vs. White in 1869 says that a State does not have the right to secede from the US.
Several other U.S. Forts had been abandoned or seized by Governor Pickens before the attack on Fort Sumter. The States of Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas had also taken possession of Federal Forts without attempting negotiations. As to Virginia we got another State in 1863 when West Virginia was admitted to the Union. Missouri and Kentucky who remained loyal were the area of murder and mayhem during that era.
I agree that Lincoln freed the s***es because it was politically expedient for him to do so but was just a gesture.
Thank you for getting me to better research. I have been reading a 9 volume series about the Revolutionary War and I need to do better about other time periods.