straightUp Loc: California

Last night a wall of vets assembled in Portland to protect the peaceful protesters from the unmarked, federal "agents" in combat fatigues that Trump sent to the city to disrupt their cause in yet another violation of the U.S. Constitution.



video of the wall of veterans

The fact is, vets are starting to notice that there is something terribly wrong with what these agents are doing. Here's an excerpt from a recent article in the Guardian...

The Black L***s M****r protest in Portland looked to be winding down last Saturday night when US marine corps veteran Duston Obermeyer noticed a phalanx of federal officers emerge from the federal courthouse.

They shot teargas at the crowd and pushed a protester to the ground with such force that, Obermeyer said, she slid 6ft across the pavement.

The 42-year-old drove to Portland for his first protest after hearing the many recent reports of federal personnel in tactical gear emerging from unmarked cars with automatic weapons to pick up protesters. His plan was to observe first-hand what was happening.

But in that moment, he said, he realized he couldn’t stand by and simply watch.

The 6ft 4in, 275lb man walked up to the officers and asked whether they understood their oath to defend the constitution. Just a few feet away, Obermeyer was aware of another man, US navy veteran Chris David, asking virtually the same question.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/24/portland-trump-order-federal-officers-veterans-protests

These vets understand the oath because they all took it and their message to these federal agents is clear... If you have to choose between following orders and protecting the constitution - you protect the constitution. And now, vets like Obermeyer are coming to the shocking realization that Trump is issuing illegal orders.

Last night the wall of vets confirms this is not just a few isolated vets and the crisis in Portland that was created by Trump is starting to expose the ugly t***h behind what Trump is doing.

The fact is, Portland was on its way to peaceful negotiations over police reformation when Trump decided to send in federal forces. He said it was to protect people and property from violent protesters. Portland looked around and said "what violent protesters?"

Apparently, there's an ulterior motive.

Just to emphasize the point, the normal process is for local or state authorities to handle civil unrest and *IF* they need help THAT is when they ask for federal assistance. But Trump never got that request. He sent in forces on his own initiative instead.

Why?

We can only guess but current conditions make the guessing pretty easy and it's not a pretty picture...

After four years of making America worse than ever, Trump is desperate to stay in office so he can remain protected from justice. I think it's highly probable that Trump thinks he can improve his chances this e******n by staging a situation that will make him look like a hero (at least to his base). For this to work the story needs to start with violent protesters wreaking havoc and it needs to end with Trump's forces arresting those criminals and restoring order. But what if there aren't any violent protesters? That's where provocation comes in. Start punching people in the face until they start punching back and now you have violent people.

This is not a new trick, we just haven't seen a U.S. president use it before. It's more commonly found in street situations where bad cops try to get detainees to do something they can use as an excuse to take them down with. So the key here is to provoke the protesters into committing violent acts and that appears to be exactly what these federal agents are trying to do. If it works they can "control" the situation... arrest a bunch of people and "restore order".

The only other motive I can think of is even worse... If Trump loses the e******n he can retain power by declaring a national emergency and initiating marshal law. For this he would need the same situation to happen in cities across multiple states and well, it appears he is indeed sending federal agitators to other cities now including Chicago, again without being invited.

These are just educated guesses of course. And they may seem far-fetched to us because our nation has been so stable for so long, but Trump is leaving us without any alternative theories, except the narrative he is trying to create, which we can see is BS.

I'm just glad to see that a lot the men and women who took the oath to protect our constitution haven't forgotten what that means and that they can recognize in Trump the public enemy that he is. I sincerely hope we can save America and send Trump to prison through a peaceful e******n and constitutional justice.

Squiddiddler Loc: Phoenix

ImLogicallyRight

straight up's post shows the crap coming from A****a, B*M and it is a stupid post backing these anarchist, N**is, and Marxists. And he does nothing to help the cause of a free America, but instead doubles down on that insanity.

Squiddidler's post tells the reality of the h**e for American that flows through the evil bones of that mob. They aren't peaceful protesters. PERIOD. They are a destructive mob.

Keep it up President Trump and down with the pussy minded, chicken hearted, Democrat Politicians in Portland.

Logically Right

Iliamna1

Grape Koolaid is your drink of choice, I see, with a little hashish thrown in.

Smedley_buzkill

I just posted a topic on this. It seems the State of Oregon's lawsuit fell flat on it's face since the "widespread abuses" consisted of just two instances of mistaken identity. These people had warrants out on them. Plainclothes police arrest people all the time.
Your statement that they are "trying to get detainees to do something" is disingenuous at best. These people had already done something. That's why they had warrants served on them. Two cases of mistaken identity that were quickly corrected does not constitute gross abuse according to Federal Judge Michael Mosman who threw the case out.
I took the same oath as these veterans and served in the same Armed Forces. Either many were not vets, or they were acting on false information. The State of Oregon in court was only able to prove two instances of false arrest and these, as I said, were quickly straightened out.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The true motive is clear; when protestors refuse to r**t, the feds come out and goad them into r**ting. It's like firefighters setting fires themselves.

straightUp Loc: California

Nothing in this story conflicts with anything I've stated. You got a guy caught in the chaos that Trump created by sending in his goons. Perhaps you didn't understand what I meant by provocation? I was suggesting that federal agents were sent to Portland to provoke chaos.

Apparently they succeeded.

Now a city in chaos is going to generate a LOT of different stories. You may have had a hard time with the story I got from the Guardian. The media is all over Portland looking for perspectives that they know their audience wants to hear. There's left-wing media, right-wing media and everything in between and they're all in their looking for stories. Gabriel Johnson is a guy Fox picked up to extract a story that favors their narrative.

Were black people calling him the "n-word"?
It's likely.
Was he chased around with baseball bats?
ehhh... I think it's more likely that gestures were made and he was exaggerating to the reporter, but nevertheless, a lot of things can happen in chaos.

The sad thing here is that he was trying to use Old Glory as a unifying symbol and I think this was probably the very thing that drew the hostility. I think it's terrible that it's come to this but I think it has at least in the throes of a r**t and I can think of two possible reasons for it...

For one, I think that for some Americans the f**g of their nation is being hijacked by w***e s*********ts.

A lot of people are protesting with B*M because they lost friends or relatives not just to police brutality but the bigger scope of brutality that comes from the white-on-black r****m that our system is known for turning a blind eye toward. Here's the thing... w***e s*********ts are HUGE on symbols and they never show up with an an American f**g as if to claim it as theirs. After seeing is enough, I'm sure it burns down to an associative level in the mind of a b***k A******n.

The other possibility is the fact that they are in a city in which protesters are literally being attacked by federal forces and well, Old Glory represents the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, which is technically a reference to the federal government.

Either way, the guy was literally parading it through a r**t. So it's hard not expect him to get *some* insults and gestures along the way. I didn't see much hostility in the video - in fact when he suggested people stand by him and his f**g, I saw protesters doing just that. All of the hostility described was his word.

In any case, like I said... Lots of media, lot of stories with different messages. But none of that matters in a true analysis of the situation. The hundreds of stories the media can pull out of it can be sold and fed into public opinion but none of it changes...

The fact that civil unrest has increased since federal troops have arrived.
The likeliness that it was intentional based on one or more of the motives I've already described.
The fact that neither the city nor the state had requested any assistance.

This is why I am saying that your story changes nothing about my suggestions.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

The so called 'wall of vets' was nothing more than a****a dress up.
a completely staged propaganda production by the anarchists for the media

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/a****a-portland-plays-dress-first-moms-2-morning-last-night-pretended-us-veterans/

https://redstatenation.com/video-it-seems-a****a-plays-dress-up-again-after-wall-of-moms-were-exposed-just-as-r****rs-that-put-on-a-yellow-shirt-now-they-pretended-to-be-us-veterans/

straightUp Loc: California

Well, that sounds a bit like a temper tantrum.


I wouldn't be surprised if what I do in a day to help the cause of a free America is more than you've ever done in your life.


They're Americans. Americans don't like to be pushed around by overbearing authorities. Especially the Americans that live in Oregon. You don't remember the last time federal authorities had a run in with Oregonians? 'Seem you conservatives were against the federal authorities that time. Is that because it was a branch of the federal government called B*M? Or is it because the Bundy's wore cowboy hats?

straightUp Loc: California

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me. It's been a common practice throughout history.

straightUp Loc: California

U.S. District Court Judge Michael Mosman made a bad judgement call. He based his decision on his personal biases using the scant evidence as an excuse. The fact is no evidence is even necessary given that the Constitution does not give the executive branch the authority to overstep the state in any matters not involving violations of federal law. I'm not sure if the graffiti on the federal building constitutes a violation of federal law, but that would be the only thing remotely close to there being any reason for federal authorities to intercede.


Not without first proving their authority, reading their rights AND declaring the violation for which they are being charged. The problem Portland is complaining about is that federal authorities are apprehending these people without arresting them. That's search and seizure my friend, which is a violation of their constitutional rights.

This whole circus is buzzing with constitutional violations by an impeached president. It amazes me that you still search for ways to justify what he is doing. I get it - Trump is your guy. He's been promising all the things you want. But seriously - find another guy!


You didn't understand what I was saying. I wasn't describing what federal agents were doing in those specific cases, I was describing a typical situation as a more common example of provocation.


You seem to be missing the point. The problem isn't arresting them. The problem is detaining them without arrest. Look up search and seizure for crying out loud.


Honestly, I can't see how you know this just because you took the oath.

But since you did, let me ask you a direct question... Do you think it's OK for the president to override the authority of the state in matters not involving federal law?

Sicilianthing

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Just as I predicted, soon the Vets, M*****as, LEO, Guard, Military will all begin to split the herd....

Opposing views
Conflicting ideologies
False narratives
C*********d by the propaganda war and the threat on their fellow man and young.

Guess what comes next ?

straightUp Loc: California

I remember you making the prediction because it was one of the few things we agreed on but let's admit the fact that since 2008 it really hasn't been difficult to predict an escalation of tension.

What's next? I dunno. That's the interesting thing about the times we are living in. Anything can happen.

I can think of various scenarios of course, but there's no way of telling for sure if any of them will actually come to pass.

I hope for a peaceful t***sition to a better America.

Sicilianthing

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Noted and I pray for the same but I no longer believe that is realistic or that Trump is who he says.

ImLogicallyRight

***I wouldn't be surprised if what I do in a day to help the cause of a free America is more than you've ever done in your life.
>>>I doubt it.

***They're Americans. Americans don't like to be pushed around by overbearing authorities.
>>>And the rest of America doesn't like being bullied by a bunch of l*****t brats that need a good spanking that they should have had while growing up. Maybe they might have learned a little respect for authority and not be a bunch of whining children hiding behind masks like their predecessors the KKK. Assaulting police is a crime and not peaceful protest. Burning and l**ting are crimes and not peaceful protest.

***Especially the Americans that live in Oregon.
>>>What the hell makes them anything special other then poor upbringing by liberal parents and brainwashed by public school education. And a lot of those protesters are not even from Oregon but paid professional violent protesters and agitators.

***You don't remember the last time federal authorities had a run in with Oregonians? 'Seem you conservatives were against the federal authorities that time. Is that because it was a branch of the federal government called B*M? Or is it because the Bundy's wore cowboy hats?
>>>I do remember and I was against B*M and the way that all went about including that murder along the highway. But you simple minded sorts can't get things through your thick brainwashed minds. That B*M was the Bureau of Land Management. This B*M is a Marxist organization riding the waves of a cute phrase that the likes of you can't seen to keep straight. They don't give a damn about b****s and whether their l***s m****r. The b****s are just a tool that will be discarded after the r**ts are over and the e******n is over just like the r****t Democrats ignore the b****s between e******ns.

Got it now cupcake.