Australia v**es to repeal carbon tax: Sometimes sanity returns to a country. The lunatics do not always win. Three cheers for Australia.

son of witless

Sometimes sanity returns to a country. The lunatics do not always win. Three cheers for Australia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world/asia/environmentalists-decry-repeal-of-australias-carbon-tax.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I'm glad we managed to miss being hit by the same stupid-bullet that hit Oz.

son of witless wrote:

Sometimes sanity returns to a country. The lunatics do not always win. Three cheers for Australia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world/asia/environmentalists-decry-repeal-of-australias-carbon-tax.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

son of witless

Super Dave wrote:

I'm glad we managed to miss being hit by the same stupid-bullet that hit Oz.

Democracies sometimes have to be brain damaged stupid in order to move forward. The previous Labor Party in Australia enacted the Carbon Tax. As Australia felt it's impact the crazies lost their power and now the normals are in charge again.

We did not get a Carbon Tax, but the Obama years are America's brain damaged stupid period. Hopefully we will come out of this as wise as the Australians and undo all of the damage our historic i***t leader has inflicted on us.

The ancient Romans and the ancient Egyptians from time to time would suffer under horrendous Emperors and Pharoahs. Afterward they would do their best to erase all memories of their former rulers by destroying and defacing their stone monuments left behind.

After Obama we must destroy and deface all laws and regulations left behind by our former ruler.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

son of witless wrote:

Sometimes sanity returns to a country. The lunatics do not always win. Three cheers for Australia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world/asia/environmentalists-decry-repeal-of-australias-carbon-tax.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Shows the evil conservative do...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Yes, it's true.

All liberal's SUVs, private planes and yachts are powered with carbon free fuels.

I wonder if any of the enviro-wacko groups have tried to figure up Obama's carbon footprint... Do you have any idea how much carbon is put into the environment every time he flies off for a fundraiser/photo-op?

permafrost wrote:

Shows the evil conservative do...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

Yes, it's true.

All liberal's SUVs, private planes and yachts are powered with carbon free fuels.

I wonder if any of the enviro-wacko groups have tried to figure up Obama's carbon footprint... Do you have any idea how much carbon is put into the environment every time he flies off for a fundraiser/photo-op?

I did see a pc on that subject, think it popped up on my face book page, from one of my offspring. But do not remember any specifics. It was of course derogatory and showing what a huge contribution he makes to the carbon issue in every way in every day..

I am trying to get my Monte Carlo to run on cow farts and leave a haze behind me..

son of witless

permafrost wrote:

Shows the evil conservative do...

Well, welcome to the discussion. You are our first liberal on this topic. You don't have to be ascared. We don't bite, but we do hit , , , back pretty hard.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

son of witless wrote:

Well, welcome to the discussion. You are our first liberal on this topic. You don't have to be ascared. We don't bite, but we do hit , , , back pretty hard.

This is no discussion, it is a news article about Australian politics. Not much information, may not have been a good law which was repealed but we can not tell from the article.Some opinions do not need facts to reach a conclusion..

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

It's a fact is that it was a carbon tax.

It's a fact is that carbon taxes are just plain stupid.

OK - What else do you need to know?

permafrost wrote:

This is no discussion, it is a news article about Australian politics. Not much information, may not have been a good law which was repealed but we can not tell from the article.Some opinions do not need facts to reach a conclusion..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

It's a fact is that it was a carbon tax.

It's a fact is that carbon taxes are just plain stupid.

OK - What else do you need to know?

Carbon tax may or may not be stupid. In each case the value of the tax will be determend by how effective it is in overcoming the reluctance of an industry to pay for the hidden cost of their pollution. If they move ahead in a responsible manner, and they had not done so before the tax, then the tax fulfills the role which is needed and is a success. If the tax only acts as an anchor on economic progress, then it should be changed to a form which will work..

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Oh please...

What is the hidden cost of Obama's fundraising trips? Not enough to make him slow down, is it? Does Obama really think that taking AF1 , his backup plane, Marine 1, and the motorcade of armored cars is harming the planet? And he does this for photo-ops and fundraising?

Well then either it doesn't cost much or Obama h**es the world.. Which is it?

Same goes for all the Lear-Jet-Liberals. Do they h**e Mother Earth, or are they just not believing the childish stupidity that is the g****l w*****g alarmism?

permafrost wrote:

Carbon tax may or may not be stupid. In each case the value of the tax will be determend by how effective it is in overcoming the reluctance of an industry to pay for the hidden cost of their pollution. If they move ahead in a responsible manner, and they had not done so before the tax, then the tax fulfills the role which is needed and is a success. If the tax only acts as an anchor on economic progress, then it should be changed to a form which will work..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

Oh please... br br What is the hidden cost of Ob... (show quote)

Super Dave, was I talking about Obama? I have been fighting the GD deer flies and do not remember.

As for Obamas fund raising trips or any other of his trips I will not defend and will not champion any of them. Trips for the national interest of course are on another scale. At such a high level of importance any environmental effect is trumped.

As for corp. big wigs flying around in private jets, they can stop that crap and I would care less. Most of the convenience and glamor of having your own jet is only flattery to show you have a great deal of importance in the functioning of the world or at least your biz which can not survive without you.. Let em take a train....

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

You were talking about some imaginary hidden cost of carbon.

I say imaginary because the people that speak most about it don't seem to know that they're causing much of it themselves.

But please answer my question. Do you think:

A) Obama believes that he's destroying the planet with carbon emissions, but thinks photo-ops and fundraising are more important.
or
B) Obama doesn't believe that his carbon emissions are significantly harming the planet, but everyone else's carbon emissions are.
or
C) Obama lies like a rug when he talks about carbon emissions because liberals are stupid enough to believe he believes it.

permafrost wrote:

Super Dave, was I talking about Obama? I have been... (show quote)

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Super Dave wrote:

You were talking about some imaginary hidden cost ... (show quote)

Dave, you express 3 of your opinions and insist they are questions. They are not, they are opinions you have about President Obama and about carbon emissions.
I understand you refuse to have any comprehension about carbon emissions while I feel very strongly about the effect they have on our lives.

We are much to far apart to gain anything, we can exchange viewpoints and bits of information all day but would not avail either of us an inch of progress.

While I am certain of my understanding, it would be nice for the world if you were correct. All would be more pleasant in that case..

son of witless

permafrost wrote:

Carbon tax may or may not be stupid. In each case the value of the tax will be determend by how effective it is in overcoming the reluctance of an industry to pay for the hidden cost of their pollution. If they move ahead in a responsible manner, and they had not done so before the tax, then the tax fulfills the role which is needed and is a success. If the tax only acts as an anchor on economic progress, then it should be changed to a form which will work..

So you admit that the tax was an anchor on economic progress ? ? ? ? I congratulate you in the progress you have made. Many on your side are so deeply committed, good choice of words, that evidence to the contrary is met with irrational hostility and denial.

Now you speak of the hidden cost of pollution. Yet you cannot scientifically prove that Carbon Dioxide is pollution. It is a naturally occurring gas. Many of the scientists who are pushing this theory have been caught modifying the evidence to fit the theory rather than modifying their theory to fit where the evidence has lead.

As far as finding a tax that will work, at least you are open to that. The Global Warmers in general do not care about the damage their pet taxes cause to economies or the people who need jobs in those economies.