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Jul 5, 2020 17:23:37   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
Kickaha wrote:
There is evidence that solar activity has a greater effect on c*****e c****e than humans. Also China and India produce more of the pollution cause greenhouse gases.


Excuses, excuses. It's okay that I dump 3 bags of garbage in the street, because one of my neighbors dumps 4. And it's the sun's fault if it all cooks to an awful smell.

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Jul 5, 2020 17:31:02   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
JohnCorrespondent wrote:
Excuses, excuses. It's okay that I dump 3 bags of garbage in the street, because one of my neighbors dumps 4. And it's the sun's fault if it all cooks to an awful smell.


The United States produces less of the greenhouse gases than they did even without the Kyoto protocol or the Paris c*****e c****e treaty. While there were restrictions in both c*****e c****e documents penalizing the first world nations, there were not restrictions on China, India, or third world nations. Even if we totally shut down our emissions, the total emissions of the world would continue to rise.

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Jul 6, 2020 20:17:08   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
No that is absolutely not in dispute. Human caused or at least assisted c*****e c****e began occurring in the late 1800s during the industrial revolution. The science gets deeper on this issue each year and at this point is overwhelming. The problem gets worse as well.

Its really similar to C****-**. We can deny its occurring and a real threat all we want. But twiddling our thumbs and not taking action just will not make the problem go away. Climate deniers are about like mask deniers. Not going to help us in the future.

Wanna learn how this has impacted the wildland fire community I suggest you read this.

https://www.forestsandrangelands.gov/documents/qfr/2014QFRFinalReport.pdf

By denying what is going on it builds wealth for those presently living at the cost of future generations. We have only one world, and yes with a population of 7.5 billion and still primarily using f****l f**ls for our energy needs, humanity does have the power to screw things up big time.
No that is absolutely not in dispute. Human cause... (show quote)


I agree.

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Jul 6, 2020 21:24:40   #
Airforceone
 
I can understand now why OPP has without a doubt a bunch of very immature people that play on this site. Over the years it has gotten progressively worse. And now that there’s a child Republican r****t in the White House it’s no longer a credible site. I tried to get admin to address some of these children on OPP but they allowed these r****t to control the immature responses. OPP is rated at the bottom for fact based responses because all you do is parrot Fox News talking points and created a culture of conspiracy theories.

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Jul 6, 2020 21:37:21   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
So what do you call people who are too stupid to even be "woke"?
Wildlandfirefighters.

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Jul 6, 2020 22:09:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
Then stop listening Archie!

You have been around a long time, you should understand that the English language is not Latin, and it changes regularly. New words are added, new definitions are used for old words. Perhaps you should just stop trying to understand these things, it may help you from getting sick.

By the way, Dadgum or Dadgummit is a great example here. I used to hear that on the Andy Griffith Show back in the 60s, but honestly had not heard or seen it used anywhere in the last 30 years.

English is a constantly changing language, that's why new dictionaries are put out every year.
Then stop listening Archie! br br You have been a... (show quote)
Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault would be pleased with fools like you.


Postmodern Worldview

"language is based on an epistemology (a t***h basis) that holds to a limitless instability of words, texts are stripped of their meaning and words are given no point of reference. The ground is always shifting in speech and thought and in any form of propositional t***h. Rhetoric radically suspends logic and opens up vertiginous possibilities of referential aberration."
Paul de Man


What de Man is really saying is it takes you to dizzying heights of meaninglessness.

How Postmodernism Changes the Rules

While there are significant disagreements among the various expressions of the postmodern worldview there is a key belief that characterizes all of them: an acute awareness of our “situatedness” as humans. As I described in a previous article (“Postmodernism Critique”), postmoderns deny that there is any overarching story, or metanarrative, to the world. Therefore, we all come from a perspective, or bias, that is shaped by the culture, or the “little stories,” we inhabit. As Kevin Vanhoozer states, “Postmoderns are so preoccupied with the situated self that they cannot get beyond it.” Because of this “situatedness,” no one can claim objectivity for his or her views.

This is the clearest difference between postmodernism and most other worldviews. Whereas the central concern of other worldviews is what the real world actually is, the focus of postmodernism is on how we perceive and how we describe what the world is.

A Worldview of Contingency

In the postmodern worldview, everything is contingent; nothing is fixed. There are several implications of confronting reality this way.

First, reality is ultimately unknowable. Our “situatedness” prevents us from directly accessing the real world or having true knowledge about it. This is not to say that the real world is not there (though some would suggest this), only that we can never shed our perspectives to access it. No one has a “god’s eye view” of reality; therefore no one can claim to have the t***h about it. Stanley Fish describes this dilemma this way:

Moreover, not only is there no one who could spot a transcendent t***h if it happened to pass through the neighborhood, but it is difficult even to say what one would be like. Of course we would know what it would not be like; it would not speak to any particular condition, or be identified with any historical production, or be formulated in the terms of any national, ethnic, racial, economic, or class traditions.”

We are trapped in our situatedness. There are no foundations that are not themselves contingent from which to build a certain and agreed-upon body of knowledge. Knowledge really comes down to one’s perspective: we never really have the facts; there is only interpretation.

Second, t***h and knowledge are constructions of language. They reflect the perspective of the one who is claiming, but should not be confused as a statement of fact about actual reality. Of course, if t***h merely reflects one’s perspective and does not actually represent anything about objective reality, it cannot be absolute. This is an inescapable conclusion of the postmodern worldview: there is no absolute t***h; there are only “t***hs.”

It is important to note that postmodernism does not necessarily argue that each person has their own t***h, but that our perspectives on what is true are shaped largely by the communities, or cultures, we find ourselves in. Each community constructs, through language, its own story of the world. No story is more true than another (since all stories are valid); but, in fact, t***h is produced by the narrative of a community. “T***hs,” then, are not propositional statements about reality, but rather narrative realities for a particular group; and every group is distinguished by their particular use of language.

In a sense, the postmodern turn can be considered a linguistic turn. Richard Rorty puts it this way, “We need to make a distinction between the claim that the world is out there and the claim that t***h is out there… To say that t***h is not out there is simply to say that where there are no sentences there is no t***h, that sentences are elements of human languages, and that human language are human creations… The world does not speak. Only we do.” In other words, since we simply cannot escape language in our attempts to describe reality, all objectivity is jettisoned.

This view of language is at the root of the practice of “deconstruction” in literature, which was first espoused by Jacques Derrida. He suggested that there is no fixed meaning of any text, since it is only the perspective of the author. But, each reader has his perspective, too. Therefore, the reader imposes meaning on the text. This meaning is not fixed, but rather every text can have a multitude of meanings despite the original intention of the author.

A third implication of postmodernism is that progress is an illusion. The optimism of the modern project, which was based on a false confidence in human objectivity and certainty, has been chastened. “Advancement” and “achievement” are socially constructed concepts; they are leftover baggage from modernity when we attempted to explain the world with metanarratives; they are expressions of our “situatedness” that cannot be used to evaluate another culture or another time.

Without the concept of progress, then what does it mean for a society to move forward (and what does “forward” mean)? Richard Rorty suggests pragmatism. As ideas, expressions, and concepts in a clash, one will emerge as a better working option; and something that works in a particular culture (like monogamy) or situation (like an appropriate age of sexual consent) may not in another culture or situation.

Contemporary sitcoms clearly illustrate this view. Sitcoms from a former time (basically, most of the ones prior to Seinfeld) tended to follow a pretty standard formula: a character (usually in the context of a family) would be faced with a crisis; through the course of the show, the character would wrestle with and resolve that crisis, and by facing consequences a moral lesson was learned in a humorous way. This is not usually the case in sitcoms today. The crisis remains, but real resolution is rare, consequences can be avoided, and morality disappears if the character can get away with it.

Putting Postmodernism to the Test

So, does the postmodern worldview have a point? Let’s evaluate these ideas in light of four tests for ideas and see if it can withstand the scrutiny.

The Test of Reason. Postmodernism is full of self-contradiction. It denies that any metanarrative can offer an all-encompassing story that applies to all people and all times. The basic suggestion here is that the only story that applies to all people and all times is that no story can apply to all people and all times. In other words, postmodernism offers a metanarrative that there are no metanarratives.

Further, postmodernists suggest that we ought to reject metanarratives because we are trapped within our cultural perspectives, and therefore are only able to express our interpretations. For the postmodern, there is nothing but interpretation. But, would not the statement, “there is only interpretation” also be an interpretation?

In the denial of metanarratives, postmodernism also denies the existence of objective, absolute t***h (especially propositional t***h), and instead embraces the existence of many t***hs held by different people. However, the statement “there is no absolute t***h, there are only t***hs” is an objective, absolute propositional statement. Consider again the claim by Stanley Fish cited above:

Moreover, not only is there no one who could spot a transcendent t***h if it happened to pass through the neighborhood, but it is difficult even to say what one would be like. Of course would know what it would not be like; it would not speak to any particular condition, or be identified with any historical production, or be formulated in the terms of any national, ethnic, racial, economic, or class traditions.”4

While claiming transcendent t***h is impossible, Fish suggests that somehow we know t***hfully what t***h would not be like. If all t***h is socially contingent, would not this t***h be socially contingent as well? Who was able to access this t***h about reality?

As we stated earlier, postmodernists tend not to play by the rules they set. These contradictions do not often seem worrisome for postmodernists, however. Richard Rorty states this in his typical winsome way, “…edifying philosophers have to decry the very notion of having a view, while avoiding having a view about having views.” In reality, this amounts to presenting “an argument which prove(s) that no arguments are sound- a proof that there is no such thing as proofs- which is nonsense.” By now the perceptive reader may have grasped that postmodernism is guilty at times of intellectual cowardice, at other times of intellectual bullying, and at other times of intellectual laziness.

The Test of the Outer World. While the biases of a community certainly shape the perspectives of the members of that community, it does not follow that reality itself is socially constructed and that we can never have access to objective reality, as postmodernists claim. In fact, reality is what reality is. Our perspective of reality is constantly being imposed upon, challenged, and even altered by reality itself. For example, transcendental groups whose social construction of reality is that the physical world is illusory, still find themselves constrained by the physical reality of time and space.

The Test of the Inner World. While modernism placed the hubris of authority with the autonomous self, postmodernism attempts to place it with the community. However, postmodernism ironically tends to increase our isolation from others. One reason for this is that most of us belong to many different communities: we grow up in one, settle to live in another, work in another, worship in another, and retire to another, With so many communal perspectives competing for our allegiance, the tendency is ultimately to belong to none of them. It is ironic that the current generation, which boasts better communication technology than any in the history of the world, is often the most isolated.

Finally, if the only reality we can access is the one we essentially construct, that would necessarily mean that life is devoid of any larger morality or meaning. Postmodernism is, in its most despairing form, a re-hash of classic nihilism. In its most positive form, it cannot elevate itself beyond a more corporate existentialism. In either case, all ultimate values are eliminated.

The Test of the Real World. Perhaps the ultimate proof that postmodernism cannot adequately explain reality is that it can never ultimately be lived out. People are made in the image of God, and being self-consciously aware of morality and meaning is a part of who we are. The postmodern ethicist essentially claims, “There is no such thing as good or evil,” and then pauses and adds, “and that’s a good thing.” There is an intuitive and implacable place within us that insists that there is such a thing as good and evil, even when we disagree among ourselves what we place within those categories. Alister McGrath passes along a delightful story told about Kenneth Kirk, professor of moral theology at Oxford University. His wife was asked about her husband’s work, and she replied, “Kenneth spends a lot of time thinking up very complicated and sophisticated reasons for doing things we all know perfectly well to be wrong.”

Further, it is important to note that postmodernism only exists as a viable worldview in certain contexts. The worldview that claims that all worldviews are historically and culturally contingent turns out to be historically and culturally contingent itself. In fact, in all of its r*******n against the evils of modernism and Western civilizations, postmodernism ironically exists only in the context of modernism and Western civilization! This is not accidental. The productivity of Western civilization has created a culture that is mostly defined by its consumerism. Ours is a culture of unlimited choices, from cereal to philosophies, and the only absolute value is to value everyone’s right to choose their own existence, even their own meaning. Life, experientially, seems to mimic the postmodern ethos, “presenting it as only one incident of choosing after another, none of which is related to the others.” This view of life, however, only works in cultures where this sort of choice and self-determinacy actually exists; and even then, only until this pattern of life gets disrupted by actual reality.


The Cultural Challenge

Rather than capitulate to the postmodern worldview, the biblical Christian is wise to recognize it for what it fundamentally is: a cultural context in which Christianity exists, can survive and even thrive. T***h does not yield to popular opinion. Unlike postmodernism, the biblical worldview can withstand all challenges and still speak to the dominant culture.

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Jul 16, 2020 02:12:33   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Airforceone wrote:
I can understand now why OPP has without a doubt a bunch of very immature people that play on this site. Over the years it has gotten progressively worse. And now that there’s a child Republican r****t in the White House it’s no longer a credible site. I tried to get admin to address some of these children on OPP but they allowed these r****t to control the immature responses. OPP is rated at the bottom for fact based responses because all you do is parrot Fox News talking points and created a culture of conspiracy theories.
I can understand now why OPP has without a doubt a... (show quote)


Airforceone,

I agree, it's gotten progressively worse, the worse it gets, the more credible the OPP becomes.

You yourself are the living proof, the dreck you produce every day could get you cancelled even on good liberal sites.

Think about it and repent!

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