60 Years Ago a Prophesy...
Jul 2, 2020 22:53:58 #
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False claim: Nikita Khrushchev 1959 quote to the United Nations General Assembly
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A v***l post on social media falsely attributes a lengthy quote predicting the adoption of c*******m and the gradual creation of a “socialist state” in the U.S. to former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev on September 29, 1959.
Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt
The post makes the claim that Khrushchev, speaking before the United Nations (UN) General Assembly, told Americans that the Soviet Union would feed “small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have C*******m” (examples here , here , here ). It makes the further claim that Khrushchev delivered his prediction for America while banging his shoe on the podium.
The post then outlines the “eight levels of control” necessary for the creation of a “socialist state”. The claim, however, contains inaccurate facts and other misleading information.
KHRUSCHEV IN THE U.S.
Khrushchev embarked on a 12-day trip to the U.S. on September 15, 1959, on an invitation from U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower ( here ).
On September 18, 1959, Khrushchev addressed the UN General Assembly. An unofficial transcript of this speech by the New York Times shows no evidence Khrushchev made the remarks attributed to him on social media ( here , here ). In the address, Khrushchev called for a gradual disarmament and an end to the Cold War. Nowhere does he outline a plan to introduce socialism to the U.S. by a piecemeal strategy.
Multiple sources can confirm that Khrushchev’s visit to the U.S. concluded on September 27 of that year, which means that he could not have addressed the UN General Assembly on September 29, 1959, as alleged in the post on social media ( here ).
On September 23, 1960, in another address before the UN, Khrushchev alluded to the replacement of capitalism by socialism in the context of contemporary colonial struggles ( here ).
The full quote is as follows: “It should be clear to everyone that there is no means and no force which can halt this struggle of the peoples for their liberation, for it’s a great historic process, one of ever-growing and invincible power. It may be possible to prolong the d******n of one state over another for a year or two, but just as in the past the bourgeois order of things came to replace feudalism and as, now, socialism is replacing capitalism, so colonial s***ery is giving place to freedom. Such are the rules of human development, and only adventurers can believe that mountains of corpses and millions of victims will delay the advent of a radiant future.”
THE SHOE-BANGING INCIDENT
A shoe-banging incident the post refers to did occur, but in October 1960 not September 1959, and under different circumstances than the ones described.
A New York Times report confirms that on October 12, 1960, Khrushchev “bangs his shoe on his desk” at the UN, apparently angered by a statement by Lorenzo Sumulong, a member of the Philippine delegation, who in a debate said that Eastern Europe had been “deprived of political and civil right” due to the dominant influence in the region by the Soviet Union ( here ).
Notes from the UN Library also confirm this reported incident, although the official UN record does not contain a description of it. Khrushchev was not delivering an address at the time, nor standing at the assembly podium ( ask.un.org/faq/37133 ).
Khrushchev’s remarks that day before the General Assembly criticized racial segregation in the U.S., as well as the intervention by UN forces in the Belgian Congo ( undocs.org/en/A/PV.902 ).
“WE WILL BURY YOU”
The line “we will bury you” as a threat to Polish diplomats was widely attributed to Khrushchev by the “Western press”, according to a document approved for release in 2002 by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency ( here ).
The document notes that Khrushchev was quoted making the following remarks at a final reception for the Polish politician, Władysław Gomułka, in November 1956: “If you don’t like us, don’t accept our invitations and don’t invite us to come see you. Whether you like it or not history is on our side. We will bury you.”
Over the years, Khrushchev issued a number of explanations attempting to clarify his statements. One such instance occurred while speaking to the National Press Club in Washington on September 16, 1959: “I have already said that the words ‘We will bury capitalism’ should not be taken literally, as is done by ordinary gravediggers who carry a spade and dig graves and bury the dead. What I had in mind was the outlook for the development of human society. Socialism will inevitably succeed capitalism.” ( here )
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REAGAN REMARKS
In a speech by Ronald Reagan delivered before the Orange County Press Club in 1961, and entitled “Encroaching Control”, he alleged that, “Three months before his last visit to this country, Nikita Khrushchev said, ‘We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to C*******m, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find they have C*******m.’” ( here ).
It is unclear what Reagan’s source could have been for these remarks. The comments fit Regan’s anti-c*******t rhetoric exemplified in other speeches of the time, including a 1964 address in support of the Republican p**********l candidate, Barry Goldwater, where he criticizes “government handouts” and the threat of “socialized medicine” ( here ).
C*******T RULES
The rules, or as the post describes them, “levels of control” necessary for socialism or c*******m have a lengthy and fraudulent history.
A report by the New York Times from July 10, 1970, had already debunked the use of any such list by left-wing groups. The list, the Times argued, which emphasized provisions to provoke unrest and enact gun control, was frequently distributed by what it described as “ultra-conservative” groups, right-wing publications, and reproduced by small-town newspapers and gun lobbyists ( here ).
The list included in the social media post appears to be another iteration of this manual. Reuters recently debunked a claim attributing the creation of this list to the American community activist Saul Alinsky ( here ).
CONCLUSION
In September 1959, Nikita Khrushchev visited the U.S. and spoke before the United Nations General Assembly on the need for disarmament and an end to the Cold War.
In another address before the UN in October 1960, Khrushchev criticized the intervention in the Belgian Congo by UN forces. Later, he reportedly banged his shoe on his desk, angered by the comments of another delegate of the assembly.
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No evidence confirms that Khrushchev made remarks about feeding the U.S. “doses of socialism” or about the necessary steps for constructing a socialist state. Over the years, politicians and figures on the right have fraudulently circulated these “c*******t rules”.
VERDICT
False claim. There is no evidence that former Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev made remarks about the creation of a socialist state in America to the UN General Assembly on September 29, 1959. The rules for the creation of a socialist state are also false.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .
False claim: Nikita Khrushchev 1959 quote to the United Nations General Assembly
9 MIN READ
A v***l post on social media falsely attributes a lengthy quote predicting the adoption of c*******m and the gradual creation of a “socialist state” in the U.S. to former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev on September 29, 1959.
Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt
The post makes the claim that Khrushchev, speaking before the United Nations (UN) General Assembly, told Americans that the Soviet Union would feed “small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have C*******m” (examples here , here , here ). It makes the further claim that Khrushchev delivered his prediction for America while banging his shoe on the podium.
The post then outlines the “eight levels of control” necessary for the creation of a “socialist state”. The claim, however, contains inaccurate facts and other misleading information.
KHRUSCHEV IN THE U.S.
Khrushchev embarked on a 12-day trip to the U.S. on September 15, 1959, on an invitation from U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower ( here ).
On September 18, 1959, Khrushchev addressed the UN General Assembly. An unofficial transcript of this speech by the New York Times shows no evidence Khrushchev made the remarks attributed to him on social media ( here , here ). In the address, Khrushchev called for a gradual disarmament and an end to the Cold War. Nowhere does he outline a plan to introduce socialism to the U.S. by a piecemeal strategy.
Multiple sources can confirm that Khrushchev’s visit to the U.S. concluded on September 27 of that year, which means that he could not have addressed the UN General Assembly on September 29, 1959, as alleged in the post on social media ( here ).
On September 23, 1960, in another address before the UN, Khrushchev alluded to the replacement of capitalism by socialism in the context of contemporary colonial struggles ( here ).
The full quote is as follows: “It should be clear to everyone that there is no means and no force which can halt this struggle of the peoples for their liberation, for it’s a great historic process, one of ever-growing and invincible power. It may be possible to prolong the d******n of one state over another for a year or two, but just as in the past the bourgeois order of things came to replace feudalism and as, now, socialism is replacing capitalism, so colonial s***ery is giving place to freedom. Such are the rules of human development, and only adventurers can believe that mountains of corpses and millions of victims will delay the advent of a radiant future.”
THE SHOE-BANGING INCIDENT
A shoe-banging incident the post refers to did occur, but in October 1960 not September 1959, and under different circumstances than the ones described.
A New York Times report confirms that on October 12, 1960, Khrushchev “bangs his shoe on his desk” at the UN, apparently angered by a statement by Lorenzo Sumulong, a member of the Philippine delegation, who in a debate said that Eastern Europe had been “deprived of political and civil right” due to the dominant influence in the region by the Soviet Union ( here ).
Notes from the UN Library also confirm this reported incident, although the official UN record does not contain a description of it. Khrushchev was not delivering an address at the time, nor standing at the assembly podium ( ask.un.org/faq/37133 ).
Khrushchev’s remarks that day before the General Assembly criticized racial segregation in the U.S., as well as the intervention by UN forces in the Belgian Congo ( undocs.org/en/A/PV.902 ).
“WE WILL BURY YOU”
The line “we will bury you” as a threat to Polish diplomats was widely attributed to Khrushchev by the “Western press”, according to a document approved for release in 2002 by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency ( here ).
The document notes that Khrushchev was quoted making the following remarks at a final reception for the Polish politician, Władysław Gomułka, in November 1956: “If you don’t like us, don’t accept our invitations and don’t invite us to come see you. Whether you like it or not history is on our side. We will bury you.”
Over the years, Khrushchev issued a number of explanations attempting to clarify his statements. One such instance occurred while speaking to the National Press Club in Washington on September 16, 1959: “I have already said that the words ‘We will bury capitalism’ should not be taken literally, as is done by ordinary gravediggers who carry a spade and dig graves and bury the dead. What I had in mind was the outlook for the development of human society. Socialism will inevitably succeed capitalism.” ( here )
ADVERTISEMENT
REAGAN REMARKS
In a speech by Ronald Reagan delivered before the Orange County Press Club in 1961, and entitled “Encroaching Control”, he alleged that, “Three months before his last visit to this country, Nikita Khrushchev said, ‘We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to C*******m, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find they have C*******m.’” ( here ).
It is unclear what Reagan’s source could have been for these remarks. The comments fit Regan’s anti-c*******t rhetoric exemplified in other speeches of the time, including a 1964 address in support of the Republican p**********l candidate, Barry Goldwater, where he criticizes “government handouts” and the threat of “socialized medicine” ( here ).
C*******T RULES
The rules, or as the post describes them, “levels of control” necessary for socialism or c*******m have a lengthy and fraudulent history.
A report by the New York Times from July 10, 1970, had already debunked the use of any such list by left-wing groups. The list, the Times argued, which emphasized provisions to provoke unrest and enact gun control, was frequently distributed by what it described as “ultra-conservative” groups, right-wing publications, and reproduced by small-town newspapers and gun lobbyists ( here ).
The list included in the social media post appears to be another iteration of this manual. Reuters recently debunked a claim attributing the creation of this list to the American community activist Saul Alinsky ( here ).
CONCLUSION
In September 1959, Nikita Khrushchev visited the U.S. and spoke before the United Nations General Assembly on the need for disarmament and an end to the Cold War.
In another address before the UN in October 1960, Khrushchev criticized the intervention in the Belgian Congo by UN forces. Later, he reportedly banged his shoe on his desk, angered by the comments of another delegate of the assembly.
ADVERTISEMENT
No evidence confirms that Khrushchev made remarks about feeding the U.S. “doses of socialism” or about the necessary steps for constructing a socialist state. Over the years, politicians and figures on the right have fraudulently circulated these “c*******t rules”.
VERDICT
False claim. There is no evidence that former Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev made remarks about the creation of a socialist state in America to the UN General Assembly on September 29, 1959. The rules for the creation of a socialist state are also false.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .
I Believe! I Believe!
Jul 2, 2020 22:57:35 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
[quote=Don G. Dinsdale]Some of us are old enough to remember this. Too bad people today won’t recall especially if they got a small dose of historical insight. Khrushchev even said later he liked Disney so well he wouldn’t destroy central Florida. MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) but Happy; swampland
Khrushchev's Message 61 Years Ago:
Khrushchev said, "We [C*******m} will bury you!” A quick read but a lasting thought. Pretty scary now.
Khrushchev'sMessage 61 years ago:
THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE: A sobering reminder. Almost exactly sixty years ago since Russia’s Khrushchev delivered his Do you remember September 29, 1959? THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE:
"Your children's children will live under c*******m, You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept c*******m outright; but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have C*******m. We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken your economy until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands." "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Do you remember what Russia's Khrushchev said in 1959?
Remember, socialism leads to C*******m. So, how do you create a Socialistic State?
There are 8 levels of control; read the following recipe:
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government That way you are able to create a police-state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect(food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.
6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn inschool.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.
A perfect parallel to what is happening right now!!!!!
HOPEYOU’LL PASS THIS ALONG[/quote]
Some how he had his shoe in his hand and was banging it on the podium. I was a wee fart but I remember it. How strange!!
Khrushchev's Message 61 Years Ago:
Khrushchev said, "We [C*******m} will bury you!” A quick read but a lasting thought. Pretty scary now.
Khrushchev'sMessage 61 years ago:
THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE: A sobering reminder. Almost exactly sixty years ago since Russia’s Khrushchev delivered his Do you remember September 29, 1959? THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE:
"Your children's children will live under c*******m, You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept c*******m outright; but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have C*******m. We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken your economy until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands." "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Do you remember what Russia's Khrushchev said in 1959?
Remember, socialism leads to C*******m. So, how do you create a Socialistic State?
There are 8 levels of control; read the following recipe:
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government That way you are able to create a police-state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect(food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.
6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn inschool.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.
A perfect parallel to what is happening right now!!!!!
HOPEYOU’LL PASS THIS ALONG[/quote]
Some how he had his shoe in his hand and was banging it on the podium. I was a wee fart but I remember it. How strange!!
Jul 3, 2020 06:38:03 #
Mikeyavelli wrote:
May we call you Jack?
Yep.
Under my previous screen name, I responded to a posting by one of OPP's liberals where he wrote that all Christian conservatives are morons. I wrote that anyone who posted anything like that was himself a moron.
The administration suspended me with the option of requesting reinstatement after three days. Note, I had just called the poster what he called all Christian conservatives. That poster was not suspended.
I refused to grovel; I thought it was unfair of the administration. I rejoined under this moniker.
Jul 3, 2020 06:59:41 #
Jul 3, 2020 09:11:53 #
Mikeyavelli wrote:
May we call you Jack?
Hmmm, I have often wondered that as well - for those if you too young to remember, Jack used to be a nick name for John.
SGM B out
Jul 3, 2020 09:16:11 #
John Meoff wrote:
Yep. br br Under my previous screen name, I res... (show quote)
Occasionally, when I reply to some dumoss who insults everyone, with a like insult to the poster, I get admonished by admin that my post has been removed. Thus far I have not been suspended...
SGM B out
Jul 3, 2020 09:44:33 #
C*******m is a degenerate, defeated, and obliterated history; in Europe and in the world!!!!
The word is unpronounceable, its meaning or project difficult to clarify....
The word is unpronounceable, its meaning or project difficult to clarify....
Jul 3, 2020 09:48:38 #
John Meoff wrote:
Yep. br br Under my previous screen name, I res... (show quote)
Then may we call you Ticked?
Good story, good move.
Pull, Jerk, Pissed, all good first names.
Jul 3, 2020 10:02:54 #
SGM B wrote:
Occasionally, when I reply to some dumoss who insults everyone, with a like insult to the poster, I get admonished by admin that my post has been removed. Thus far I have not been suspended...
SGM B out
SGM B out
They probably rationalize it with the observation that these insults from those progressives are blanket while ours are direct. Well, according to group theory if you're a member of the group, it applies to you.
Their posts are so incendiary & outrageous that they should be permanently banned. Hearsay, hatred, half-t***hs, open contempt. etc. are not fit for inclusion discussion, yet the administration tolerates it.
They present no principles. As William F. Buckley observed, there are histories galore about progressivism's development, but you will never find a set of principles so that you can infer a position. About the only thing they believe is that government should be the solution to any problem. And if there are no problems to solve, they'll always find one.
Jul 3, 2020 11:09:01 #
Seth wrote:
The scenario Khrushchev laid out describes the sum total of the agenda of today's Democratic Party.
This is what every single Democrat v**er supports, knowingly or unknowingly.
This is what every single Democrat v**er supports, knowingly or unknowingly.
This is another prime example of how former Republicans--now Trumplicans--believe every word out of Trump's mouth as though it were straight out of God's ass. And they're happy with a Trumplican dictatorship.
Jul 3, 2020 11:10:42 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
kemmer wrote:
This is another prime example of how former Republicans--now Trumplicans--believe every word out of Trump's mouth as though it were straight out of God's ass. And they're happy with a Trumplican dictatorship.
Trump didn't say that.
Jul 3, 2020 11:12:36 #
Jul 3, 2020 11:13:40 #
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Then may we call you Ticked?
Good story, good move.
Pull, Jerk, Pissed, all good first names.
Good story, good move.
Pull, Jerk, Pissed, all good first names.
Care to guess what my previous screen name was?
Jul 3, 2020 11:39:46 #
kemmer wrote:
This is another prime example of how former Republicans--now Trumplicans--believe every word out of Trump's mouth as though it were straight out of God's ass. And they're happy with a Trumplican dictatorship.
What I posted has nothing wh**ever to do with President Trump, Mr. Kemmer; you, like the rest of the TDSers, have Trump on the brain 24/7 -- he owns you lock, stock and barrel.
What I posted was purely my own observation, and you can't deny it without either lying or indicating profound obtuseness: that everything listed in the statements ascribed to Khrushchev, whether he did indeed state them or not, describes the agendas of today's Democratic Party to a tee.
You yourself have posted your support for these agendas along with your opposition to those of us opposing them, so please don't be blatantly hypocritical by denying any of it.
Jul 3, 2020 11:41:36 #
kemmer wrote:
This is another prime example of how former Republicans--now Trumplicans--believe every word out of Trump's mouth as though it were straight out of God's ass. And they're happy with a Trumplican dictatorship.
So words out of Obama's ass are absolute t***h?
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