proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

son of witless

What happened ? Did Roberts have a mental slip and forget he is a Liberal ?

Liberty Tree

It is not really taxpayer funding for religious schools. It is just giving all citizens an equal right as to how they spend certain subsidies on private schools.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Yeah,sure looks like it!!! :

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

PR, this is not quite the same as the headline imply..

It was not about direct funding.. it was scholarship money, which was intended for non-church related school.

court said that was not lawful.. then went on to end the entire program..

No more of these scholarships are handed out to anyone..

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

It's a school choice as it should be!!!

ImLogicallyRight

This is my opinion and not based on law, just what I believe is common sense.

I was raised in a Catholic family and went to Catholic school on into college. Schooling was generally a session on religion based studies and the rest of the day on the 3 Rs, etc, And with one hour less a day on the 3 Rs etc, the Catholic schools somehow managed to out do the public schools on the 3 Rs etc, with more time on those subjects. Hmmm.

Now, I am no longer a practicing Christian in any form and non religious. I still recognize my upbringing and schooling as a positive. Would I like open funding of all religious schools. Bothers me somewhat and so I can see why others would also object. Just find it hard to accept funding of Muslim schools and even Jewish schools. So, I'm seeing both sides, somewhat.

What I would like to see is equal funding of all schools with some form of co-pay for all parents. You breed 'em you teach 'em. Subsidies for those that are really poor. But if they want the private schools, they have to put some skin in the game. Then have open competition, equally funded, with Public schools and their unions, Charter schools with non affiliated unions, and Private schools including religious schools. Religious schools would have the option if picking those of their religion first and then filling spots as desired. As for the other slots in the schools, geographic preferences, siblings attending, parents alumni, etc. I don't want to get that detailed.

Now for teaching. One period a day on Religion or alternate classes that would include teaching kids how to live civilly with their neighbors and maybe a secular teaching of what all other religions are about, concentrating on the good parts, and taught by a secular person who is versed on these other religions. Not teaching the practice of them, but comparing them to other religions and what the basics of the various religions are. Knowing about others makes living with them a lot easier and a people more tolerant of others. , Knowing more about these religions should be good for the non religious based students. Then the rest of the day is based on solid teaching of the 3Rs etc. Let the competition begin and give parents as much rights to choose as spaces allow.

I think some version of this would create a better class of civil students instead of some of the rabble we are seeing all to much today with uncivil protests and black on black crime growing and growing.

I believe some close version of this would be in the best interests of America. May not be legal, but I believe

Logically Right.

Milosia

Why then is Betsy DeVoss at the head of it all?
A win win for her. Collect money for private schools and accept free money from youz taxpayers.

I just can’t see the humanity side of any of it with the second richest woman in the world changing all the public schools into private schools. Selective curriculums, selective brainwashing. It’s privatized schooling
Instead of funding public schools the cash will go into Betsys pocket. Once the real privatization starts
It will all be reduced to one teacher in a large auditorium teaching 500 students.
Each year increasing the profit margin.
As privatizations have gone in the past the airlines , railroads, healthcare, hospitals, have all failed miserably and the Government Had to step in to bail their privatized asses out with even more taxpayer money.
After a while it’s so predictable.
It all looks so good on paper but once the CEO gets a grip on it it’s over with.
I’m now convinced once the public schools are set up to fail just in time to be rescued by Betsy.
Same old Republican crap.
I would like to add this is a perfect time for this because thanks to Reagan and his voodoo economics.
CEOs no longer have any caps on their salaries.They can make wh**ever they can get away with.
Also, with the lapses of the Sherman Anti Trust Act( Reagan) Whereby corporations can become as large as they can be. Never too big to fail.
Factor in when they do fail, there will never be enough taxpayer money to bail them out.

Milosia

I read it as strikes down a Ban on taxpayer funding for private religious schools.
This is only a rearrangement of payments that will now go to Betsy DeVoss.

PJT

I assume Justice Roberts is thick skinned, but I hope Republicans don't tick him off.
I'm not into efforts to alienate people who agree with us on many things.

Tug484

Odd, considering what Roberts had been doing.
He must have woke up in a new world that day.

Army

Iam not sure on this that the Church be in bed with Goverment on any funding an whats attached to it an other Faith's to theres lot of evil Faith's that h**e this country an opens up a pipe line for stealing an maybe the soul purpose of to . If this is anything like the 501c3 Church's are under an puts them in bed with the Goverment Jesus said give Caesar what's Caesar's and God what's God's . 501c3 has put a burden that preachers have willingly or ignorantly agreed to an can't get out of unless they give there church over or not speak out politically . We seen that in Roe versus Wade and took prayer out school the church did nothing they want that tax cut Money before God . God can't bless that . Trump has relaxed the IRS to not go after Church's now but laws contract still on the books . God still can't bless it preachers h**e or won't admit it very few churches aren't 501c3 . You can't serve God and Mammon. Anyway that's my take an concern . Just as faith based organizations can be anything ( tax money from state ) anyone can say they are church's if Satan , c*******t, foreign Faith's , terrorist there are hundreds of thousands of them in this country now posing as entities that they are not southern poverty Law outfit h**es America I won't get into all them . God help us .

Army

Also wanted add Do you think Roberts knows that being a Con send all the f**e organizations 💰 money . After all so many an the Church should not be in bed with Goverment . We have to remember what Church there talking about to . This isn't 1950 they penetrated every piece of government and legislation look at a******n how many entities in the government was sucking money for a******n they can't even believe or find them all even Soros is stealing money from our tax money can you believe it from the government unbelievably sick corruption out hand only God can stop it . Pray all . Even now the whole Country's shut down over a v***s Heath care changed , jobs gone , more inflation you name it even read the power company's were temporarily stopped for charging people for energy that they never even used during a p******c but of course they're not stopped in the future for it article said . The United States Corporation. Is it The United States of America or The United State for America little word switch means a lot to steal a Country an ruin a Construction.

ImLogicallyRight

So stupid. so incredibly stupid.

***Selective curriculums, selective brainwashing.
>>>As oppossed to the Public Schools mandated teaching of things most parents don't want and their very obvious l*****t, socialist brainwashing of today.

***Instead of funding public schools the cash will go into Betsys pocket.
>>>Evidence? Documentation? No, just l*****t socialist propaganda

*** Once the real privatization starts It will all be reduced to one teacher in a large auditorium teaching 500 students. Each year increasing the profit margin.
>>>Evidence? Documentation? No, just l*****t socialist propaganda

***As privatizations have gone in the past the airlines , railroads, healthcare, hospitals, have all failed miserably and the Government Had to step in to bail their privatized asses out with even more taxpayer money.
After a while it’s so predictable.
>>>As socialist agendas have gone in the past Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. have all failed miserably and freedom and the good life was lost to dictatorships.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

A DeVos-Linked Group Promoted the Right-Wing “Operation Gridlock” Tantrum in Michigan

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Earlier this week, hundreds of demonstrators blocked the streets of Lansing, Michigan, and defied an executive order from Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to shelter in place to combat the spread of the c****av***s.

The protest, known as “Operation Gridlock,” featured a fair share of MAGA hats, Trump f**gs, at least one Confederate f**g, chants of “Lock her up!” in reference to Whitmer, and far-right groups from the P***d B**s to the Michigan Liberty M*****a. They clogged up the streets outside the state Capitol and defied Whitmer’s ban on public gatherings.

The whole charade was facilitated by the Michigan Conservative Coalition, a conservative political group that doubles as a front for Michigan Trump Republicans, and promoted by the Michigan Freedom Fund, a conservative group with ties to Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, a Michigan billionaire philanthropist power broker before she joined the Trump administration. The Detroit Free Press reported that the fund was listed as one of the protest’s hosts on Facebook. The organization also promoted the event on Facebook.

The rift between Whitmer and the groups over the protest emerged on Monday when Whitmer criticized the Michigan Freedom Fund, saying the nonprofit “is funded in large part by the DeVos family,” and adding that “it’s really inappropriate for a sitting member of the United States president’s Cabinet to be waging political attacks on any governor, but obviously, on me here at home.” Greg McNeilly, chairman and founder of Michigan Freedom Fund and a longtime adviser to the DeVos family, tweeted that Whitmer was “misinformed and disconnected with reality.”

In a Wednesday op-ed for the Detroit News, McNeilly followed Trump’s lead in calling for easing restrictions on social distancing and demanded that Whitmer unveil her plan for re-opening the state. Michigan, mind you, is wrestling with more than 30,000 confirmed cases and 2,227 deaths from the c****av***s, with Detroit at the epicenter.

As Mother Jones reported in 2014, McNeilly served as a longtime political adviser to Dick and Betsy DeVos and a former executive director of the Michigan Republican Party. He managed a campaign against a b****t measure that would’ve enshrined collective bargaining rights in Michigan’s constitution. Here’s how that played out (the DeVos mentioned below is Dick Devos, scion of the Amway fortune and husband of Betsy):

That summer, a group of GOP lawmakers and business leaders—McNeilly won’t say who—asked DeVos and Weiser (who served as finance chairman for the Republican National Committee in 2012) to lead the charge to defeat Proposition 2. They gladly took on the job—DeVos called Prop. 2 “a head-shot at Michigan’s recovery”—but they had bigger things in mind: With McNeilly, who managed the anti-Prop. 2 campaign, DeVos and Weiser sketched out a strategy to defeat the measure, then use the political momentum to pass right-to-work immediately afterward. They also strategized about every other possible obstacle: defending the law from a possible legal challenge, beating a constitutional amendment to repeal it, and protecting Republican lawmakers from recall e******ns.

They began the anti-Prop. 2 effort in September. Polls showed that 60 percent of v**ers supported the measure, but DeVos and Weiser tapped their national donor networks, hauling in millions from Las Vegas gambling tycoon Sheldon Adelson, Texas investor Harold Simmons, and a slew of Michigan business groups. Ten DeVos family members pitched in with a combined $2 million. The DeVos-backed campaign ran hundreds of ads in the two months before the v**e, claiming the measure would give unions far too much power, cost the state more than $1.6 billion, and imperil student safety by making it impossible to fire negligent teachers.

By E******n Day, the two sides had spent a total of $47 million, making it the most expensive b****t measure in Michigan history. V**ers defeated Prop. 2 by a 15-point margin. DeVos and Weiser wasted no time moving to the next phase of their plan.

In a series of odd tweets, President Donald Trump called for the liberation of states controlled by Democratic governors in what my colleague Inae Oh described as the “latest signal that social distancing has fully warped into a culture war, one that depicts Democrats as oppressors willing to sabotage the economy and perhaps, in turn, the president’s ree******n chances.”