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Should a draft dodging racist be honored? Not in 2020 in the US.
Jun 29, 2020 21:26:13   #
Kevyn
 
No, This time I am not talking about Cadet bone spurs but another cowardly right wing blowhard, John Wayne. Wayne avoided service Like the plague during WW2, choosing instead to line his pockets making movies. Along with this hypocrisy he was also a dyed in the wool racist. Making this statement in a Playboy Magazine interview. “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,“ he said.

Wayne also said that although he didn’t condone slavery: “I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves.” The actor said he felt no remorse in the subjugation of Native Americans.

“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival,” he said.

“There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”

Now it looks as if the people of Orange County California will strip his name from their airport, perhaps they will rename it for someone worthy of the honor, I like the sound of César Estrada Chávez International Airport, it would honor a man who actually did good for Californians rather than a phony racist entertainer.

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Jun 29, 2020 22:12:20   #
Simple Sam
 
Kevyn wrote:
No, This time I am not talking about Cadet bone spurs but another cowardly right wing blowhard, John Wayne. Wayne avoided service Like the plague during WW2, choosing instead to line his pockets making movies. Along with this hypocrisy he was also a dyed in the wool racist. Making this statement in a Playboy Magazine interview. “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,“ he said.

Wayne also said that although he didn’t condone slavery: “I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves.” The actor said he felt no remorse in the subjugation of Native Americans.

“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival,” he said.

“There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”

Now it looks as if the people of Orange County California will strip his name from their airport, perhaps they will rename it for someone worthy of the honor, I like the sound of César Estrada Chávez International Airport, it would honor a man who actually did good for Californians rather than a phony racist entertainer.
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First, I never was a fan of John Wayne. Having said that, he had a right to his opinion. Mind you, in 1971 many people had the freedom to speak their mind. Then communist like you came along and tried to silence anyone who does not share your opinion. Here's food for thought, people do not express what they think but not expressing the opinion does not mean that they love you. What you are accomplishing is resentment and one day it will all come out. It may come out accompanied by a bullet. People are growing tired of being told what to say...the last I checked, we still have a Constitution that is supposed to protect our rights.

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Jun 30, 2020 01:32:56   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Simple Sam wrote:
First, I never was a fan of John Wayne. Having said that, he had a right to his opinion. Mind you, in 1971 many people had the freedom to speak their mind. Then communist like you came along and tried to silence anyone who does not share your opinion. Here's food for thought, people do not express what they think but not expressing the opinion does not mean that they love you. What you are accomplishing is resentment and one day it will all come out. It may come out accompanied by a bullet. People are growing tired of being told what to say...the last I checked, we still have a Constitution that is supposed to protect our rights.
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If I was a fan of any actor it would be John Wayne. Not so much the man, because actors are just acting a part someone else wrote and someone directed him to do. Actors are not heroes. But the characters he played and how he played them allowed him to portray men as real men. A man most real men wish they had the balls and strength to be. And in that capacity, I think that if there was ever an actor worthy of having an airport named after him, it would be John Wayne.

“I define manhood simply; men should be tough, fair, and courageous, never petty, never looking for a fight, but never backing down from one.”

Sounds good to me.

As for dodging the draft, there is no definitive proof that he did. He didn't serve for various changing reasons through the war. There is proof that he did want to serve and tried to get in in various capacities. So that argument against John Wayne is bull shite.

As for his take on African Americans and Indians, I find no fault. These come from an inteview and were his spontaneous answers and there was nothing really wrong with them. He certainly wouldn't kiss Black Lives Matter's ass. More likely he would kick Black Lives Matter's ass and I would support that.

I am totally against these constantly changing of names depending on mood swings of bad acting mobs of protesters. Pussy poor excuses for manhood who would never of had the balls to be anything near what John Wayne represented as a man.

And that is what I believe the airport naming was all about. Someone who represented brave, good, fair, men and not these fairy man boys. Leave the airport alone.

And as for Kev's usual pussy sounding threats and insults, he isn't man enough to wear John Wayne's shoes, the actor or the characters he portrayed. He isn't worthy of wearing a pair of his old dirty socks after a day of working in dirty stinking heat and sweat.

Logically Right

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Jun 30, 2020 01:42:12   #
Simple Sam
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
If I was a fan of any actor it would be John Wayne. Not so much the man, because actors are just acting a part someone else wrote and someone directed him to do. Actors are not heroes. But the characters he played and how he played them allowed him to portray men as real men. A man most real men wish they had the balls and strength to be. And in that capacity, I think that if there was ever an actor worthy of having an airport named after him, it would be John Wayne.

“I define manhood simply; men should be tough, fair, and courageous, never petty, never looking for a fight, but never backing down from one.”

Sounds good to me.

As for dodging the draft, there is no definitive proof that he did. He didn't serve for various changing reasons through the war. There is proof that he did want to serve and tried to get in in various capacities. So that argument against John Wayne is bull shite.

As for his take on African Americans and Indians, I find no fault. These come from an inteview and were his spontaneous answers and there was nothing really wrong with them. He certainly wouldn't kiss Black Lives Matter's ass. More likely he would kick Black Lives Matter's ass and I would support that.

I am totally against these constantly changing of names depending on mood swings of bad acting mobs of protesters. Pussy poor excuses for manhood who would never of had the balls to be anything near what John Wayne represented as a man.

And that is what I believe the airport naming was all about. Someone who represented brave, good, fair, men and not these fairy man boys. Leave the airport alone.

And as for Kev's usual pussy sounding threats and insults, he isn't man enough to wear John Wayne's shoes, the actor or the characters he portrayed. He isn't worthy of wearing a pair of his old dirty socks after a day of working in dirty stinking heat and sweat.

Logically Right
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I did not dislike him, it was his cadence when he spoke that was odd for me. But, I talk slowly or not at all, so whom am I to complain? So, I was not found of him as an actor, but I did like the roles he played. There are many of his movies I wish would be remade, for you are right, those men were role models. Complete opposite of what is now in theaters.

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Jun 30, 2020 02:58:37   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Simple Sam wrote:
I did not dislike him, it was his cadence when he spoke that was odd for me. But, I talk slowly or not at all, so whom am I to complain? So, I was not found of him as an actor, but I did like the roles he played. There are many of his movies I wish would be remade, for you are right, those men were role models. Complete opposite of what is now in theaters.


Thanks. We're good

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Jun 30, 2020 03:00:01   #
Simple Sam
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Thanks. We're good



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Jun 30, 2020 06:15:10   #
John Meoff
 
Kevyn wrote:
No, This time I am not talking about Cadet bone spurs but another cowardly right wing blowhard, John Wayne. Wayne avoided service Like the plague during WW2, choosing instead to line his pockets making movies. Along with this hypocrisy he was also a dyed in the wool racist. Making this statement in a Playboy Magazine interview. “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,“ he said.

Wayne also said that although he didn’t condone slavery: “I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves.” The actor said he felt no remorse in the subjugation of Native Americans.

“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival,” he said.

“There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”

Now it looks as if the people of Orange County California will strip his name from their airport, perhaps they will rename it for someone worthy of the honor, I like the sound of César Estrada Chávez International Airport, it would honor a man who actually did good for Californians rather than a phony racist entertainer.
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Cesar Estrada Chavez was a gangster whose henchmen kidnapped opponents and brought them into desert and pumped their heads full of lead.

The American Indians had no idea of personal property in land.

I had heel spurs and can tell you it was extremely painful laying me up for days.

What Wayne said about blacks was little different from what Malcolm X had been saying before Elijah Muhammad had him assassinated.

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Jun 30, 2020 06:16:57   #
John Meoff
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
If I was a fan of any actor it would be John Wayne. Not so much the man, because actors are just acting a part someone else wrote and someone directed him to do. Actors are not heroes. But the characters he played and how he played them allowed him to portray men as real men. A man most real men wish they had the balls and strength to be. And in that capacity, I think that if there was ever an actor worthy of having an airport named after him, it would be John Wayne.

“I define manhood simply; men should be tough, fair, and courageous, never petty, never looking for a fight, but never backing down from one.”

Sounds good to me.

As for dodging the draft, there is no definitive proof that he did. He didn't serve for various changing reasons through the war. There is proof that he did want to serve and tried to get in in various capacities. So that argument against John Wayne is bull shite.

As for his take on African Americans and Indians, I find no fault. These come from an inteview and were his spontaneous answers and there was nothing really wrong with them. He certainly wouldn't kiss Black Lives Matter's ass. More likely he would kick Black Lives Matter's ass and I would support that.

I am totally against these constantly changing of names depending on mood swings of bad acting mobs of protesters. Pussy poor excuses for manhood who would never of had the balls to be anything near what John Wayne represented as a man.

And that is what I believe the airport naming was all about. Someone who represented brave, good, fair, men and not these fairy man boys. Leave the airport alone.

And as for Kev's usual pussy sounding threats and insults, he isn't man enough to wear John Wayne's shoes, the actor or the characters he portrayed. He isn't worthy of wearing a pair of his old dirty socks after a day of working in dirty stinking heat and sweat.

Logically Right
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Kevyn isn't worthy of wearing anyone's shoes.

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Jun 30, 2020 07:20:31   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
John Meoff wrote:
Kevyn isn't worthy of wearing anyone's shoes.


Personally I like Kevvy,he makes me look smart and that takes some kind of boy ? girl,? whatever he is.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:26:58   #
John Meoff
 
Hemiman wrote:
Personally I like Kevvy,he makes me look smart and that takes some kind of boy ? girl,? whatever he is.



Kevvy makes anyone look smart.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:28:04   #
John Meoff
 
Kevyn wrote:
No, This time I am not talking about Cadet bone spurs but another cowardly right wing blowhard, John Wayne. Wayne avoided service Like the plague during WW2, choosing instead to line his pockets making movies. Along with this hypocrisy he was also a dyed in the wool racist. Making this statement in a Playboy Magazine interview. “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,“ he said.

Wayne also said that although he didn’t condone slavery: “I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves.” The actor said he felt no remorse in the subjugation of Native Americans.

“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival,” he said.

“There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”

Now it looks as if the people of Orange County California will strip his name from their airport, perhaps they will rename it for someone worthy of the honor, I like the sound of César Estrada Chávez International Airport, it would honor a man who actually did good for Californians rather than a phony racist entertainer.
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John Wayne was born as Marion Morrison on May 26, 1907 in Iowa. By the time America got involved in World War II in December 1941, he was 34 years and 7 months old, not eligible for the draft so to states he was a draft dodger is not true. And to say he avoided service like the plague is another falsehood. This from Wikipedia:

“America's entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status (classified as 3-A – family deferment). Wayne repeatedly wrote to John Ford saying he wanted to enlist, on one occasion inquiring whether he could get into Ford's military unit, but consistently kept postponing it until after "he finished just one or two pictures".[36] Wayne did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing him since he was their only A-list actor under contract. Herbert J. Yates, President of Republic, threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract,[37] and Republic Pictures intervened in the Selective Service process, requesting Wayne's further deferment
U.S. National Archives records indicate that Wayne, in fact, did make an application[39] to serve in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), precursor to the modern CIA, and had been accepted within the U.S. Army's allotted billet to the OSS. William J. Donovan, OSS Commander, wrote Wayne a letter informing him of his acceptance into the Field Photographic Unit, but the letter went to his estranged wife Josephine's home. She never told him about it. Wayne toured U.S. bases and hospitals in the South Pacific for three months in 1943 and 1944.[40] with the USO.[41][42][43] During this trip, he carried out a request from Donovan to assess whether General Douglas MacArthur, commander of the South West Pacific Area, or his staff were hindering the work of the OSS.[20]:88 Donovan later issued Wayne an OSS Certificate of Service to memorialize Wayne's contribution to the OSS mission.
By many accounts, his failure to serve in the military later became the most painful part of his life.[36] His widow later suggested that his patriotism in later decades sprang from guilt, writing: "He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."[45]


Could he have done more to get out of his contract and go into the military? Maybe, but it’s important to realize that he had a powerful opponent in Republic Pictures.

And there were his two medical problems; an old knee injury from college football at USC and heel spurs. Knee injuries are very troublesome and kept other prominent people out of the draft over the years including Mickey Mantle and Joe Namath. I’ve been troubled with heel spurs & can attest that they can be horribly painful, laying you up for the duration of an attack. You can’t even walk; how can you march?

As for the rest of these accusations, you have to consider the source. Contempt, hatred and scorn ooze from every one of his postings.

Oh Kevyn, what about the draft and military history of one William J Clinton?

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Jun 30, 2020 21:44:39   #
promilitary
 
Simple Sam wrote:
I did not dislike him, it was his cadence when he spoke that was odd for me. But, I talk slowly or not at all, so whom am I to complain? So, I was not found of him as an actor, but I did like the roles he played. There are many of his movies I wish would be remade, for you are right, those men were role models. Complete opposite of what is now in theaters.




I agree, the way he talked, and he walked funny.

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Jun 30, 2020 21:47:47   #
Simple Sam
 
promilitary wrote:
I agree, the way he talked, and he walked funny.


Neither made him a bad man, just hard to watch and listen to.

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Jul 1, 2020 10:52:23   #
John Meoff
 
promilitary wrote:
I agree, the way he talked, and he walked funny.



I remember watching Red River when it was on TV in the early 50s. It was a 1948 Howard Hawks classic with John Wayne & Montgomery Clift, among the first of the new Method actors; Wayne was a traditional studio actor. AEveryone thought the traditionals were doomed up against these new upstarts but when the smoke had cleared Wayne held up quite well and the traditionals like Humphrey Bogart, James Stewart, Henry Fonda etc. survival was assured.

I was impressed by John Wayne's diction. His enunciation was flawless; you understand everything he said.

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