There is no h**e like.. Now to be fair the assumption being made is that all Trump supporters are Christians when, clearly, there is no evidence for that. That is a 'hasty...

PeterS

Now to be fair the assumption being made is that all Trump supporters are Christians when, clearly, there is no evidence for that. That is a 'hasty generalization' and I apologize for the fallacy on my part...

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Peti: Are those your relatives fliping us off?

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ldsuttonjr wrote:

Peti: Are those your relatives fliping us off?

Just some pictures he found somewhere. He thinks he can just say they are Christians and someone besides a moron lefty will believe it.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

PeterS wrote:

Now to be fair the assumption being made is that all Trump supporters are Christians when, clearly, there is no evidence for that. That is a 'hasty generalization' and I apologize for the fallacy on my part...

You getting senile, Peter? Dementia setting in? Playing your little games with logical fallacies, aren't you? You're a living breathing logical fallacy. Everything you post is irrational, unreasonable, and fallacious.

If all the Christians suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth, wh**ever would you do, Peter? Who next would you choose as a bitter enemy?

PeterS

Blade_Runner wrote:

You getting senile, Peter? Dementia setting in? Playing your little games with logical fallacies, aren't you? You're a living breathing logical fallacy. Everything you post is irrational, unreasonable, and fallacious.

If all the Christians suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth, wh**ever would you do, Peter? Who next would you choose as a bitter enemy?

Can't debate me so you attack me. Typical. If everything I post is a fallacy why is it you are unable to name the fallacies that I use? It should be easy for a Master in English yet you so fumble and stumble in your own fallacies to see the fallacies of others.

You always accuse me of hating Christian when that is anything but the t***h. What I h**e are the faces in that meme. The h**e and rancor that comes through in voices such as yours. People who call themselves Christian but are anything but. You study everything that there is to be a Christian but you can't let go of your h**e long enough to actually be one. If you've actually opened your heart up and let Christ in how can you so h**e those that don't think like you? I know Christians on both sides of the coin but none who let the hatred of others so dominate their lives as do you.

And I'm not your bitter enemy Blade. I h**e the ignorance that you've chosen to embrace, if there is anything I h**e it would be that, but you, no, I don't h**e you or those like you. I was born and raised by conservatives and much of conservatism is to be admired. It was my mentor at the first university I attended who introduced me to the concept of rationalism and irrationalism and that all things spiritual lie in the irrational and the best we can have is have faith that they are true. I should also add that he is the one who introduced me to the concept of faith because to believe in the irrational requires that you have it.

Of course, my mentor was a Catholic priest so I doubt you would have ever listened to someone like him. The whole point he was trying to make was that to progress in Christianity one had to have faith in the irrational and that you could never rationally prove it. I don't think you can do that Blade, have faith in the irrational. I think it bugs the s**t out of you for anyone to imply that your thinking is irrational--even when it conforms to the very definition of irrationalism.

Now to be fair we live in a world of the rational and irrational and we are in fact comprised of both. And it's also true that most of us don't understand that but someone with an education such as yours should understand and because of that shouldn't be intimidated by either. But it rankles you to no end to be called irrational even though your use of fallacies to create t***h, your worship of the supernatural, and your lashing out at anyone who makes a rational argument all predicate where your beliefs lie.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

PeterS wrote:

Can't debate me so you attack me. Typical. If everything I post is a fallacy why is it you are unable to name the fallacies that I use? It should be easy for a Master in English yet you so fumble and stumble in your own fallacies to see the fallacies of others.

You always accuse me of hating Christian when that is anything but the t***h. What I h**e are the faces in that meme. The h**e and rancor that comes through in voices such as yours. People who call themselves Christian but are anything but. You study everything that there is to be a Christian but you can't let go of your h**e long enough to actually be one. If you've actually opened your heart up and let Christ in how can you so h**e those that don't think like you? I know Christians on both sides of the coin but none who let the hatred of others so dominate their lives as do you.

And I'm not your bitter enemy Blade. I h**e the ignorance that you've chosen to embrace, if there is anything I h**e it would be that, but you, no, I don't h**e you or those like you. I was born and raised by conservatives and much of conservatism is to be admired. It was my mentor at the first university I attended who introduced me to the concept of rationalism and irrationalism and that all things spiritual lie in the irrational and the best we can have is have faith that they are true. I should also add that he is the one who introduced me to the concept of faith because to believe in the irrational requires that you have it.

Of course, my mentor was a Catholic priest so I doubt you would have ever listened to someone like him. The whole point he was trying to make was that to progress in Christianity one had to have faith in the irrational and that you could never rationally prove it. I don't think you can do that Blade, have faith in the irrational. I think it bugs the s**t out of you for anyone to imply that your thinking is irrational--even when it conforms to the very definition of irrationalism.

Now to be fair we live in a world of the rational and irrational and we are in fact comprised of both. And it's also true that most of us don't understand that but someone with an education such as yours should understand and because of that shouldn't be intimidated by either. But it rankles you to no end to be called irrational even though your use of fallacies to create t***h, your worship of the supernatural, and your lashing out at anyone who makes a rational argument all predicate where your beliefs lie.

Can't debate me so you attack me. Typical. If ever... (show quote)

Debate you? Are you kidding?

The Creator of life in this world is spiritual. We are not bodies in possession of a soul, we are souls in possession of bodies. It is irrational to believe that the very source of life is irrational.

Faith and reason are not diametrically opposed or mutually exclusive, they compliment one another.

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Blade_Runner wrote:

Debate you? Are you kidding?

The Creator of life in this world is spiritual. We are not bodies in possession of a soul, we are souls in possession of bodies. It is irrational to believe that the very source of life is irrational.

Faith and reason are not diametrically opposed or mutually exclusive, they compliment one another.

Amen Mr. Runner!

Albert Einstein said, "Religion without science is lame, and science without religion is blind."

PeterS

Blade_Runner wrote:

Debate you? Are you kidding?

The Creator of life in this world is spiritual. We are not bodies in possession of a soul, we are souls in possession of bodies. It is irrational to believe that the very source of life is irrational.

Faith and reason are not diametrically opposed or mutually exclusive, they compliment one another.

That's a start at least. How do they complement each other? Say I have faith that a rock in my back yard is my god. How does that complement the side of me controlled by reason? Can I rationally say that that rock is god or do I have to irrationally trust in faith that my belief is true?

And I know you don't think your concept of god is a rock but you can no more rationally prove your god is real than you can a rock. That's my point and that's where faith comes in, and you either have it or you don't. You trust that your beliefs are true or you don't. That's the entire reason one needs faith to belive in god. Because of that, faith and reason are on completely opposite sides of the spectrum...

Your turn...and don't get pouty and sulk off. Give me a rational reasoned answer.

PeterS

Roamin' Catholic wrote:

Amen Mr. Runner!

Albert Einstein said, "Religion without science is lame, and science without religion is blind."

Careful when invoking Einstein and religion. "Einstein frequently referred to his belief system as "cosmic religion" and authored an eponymous article on the subject in 1954, which later became his book Ideas and Opinions in 1955.[42] The belief system recognized a "miraculous order which manifests itself in all of nature as well as in the world of ideas," devoid of a personal God who rewards and punishes individuals based on their behavior.

Before you get all giggly, if Einstein had a religion it was more akin to deism--devoid of a personal god but a belief in divine creation. That would mean that Jesus was just a good dude and Christianity--built around Jesus as a god--is just a pile of bunk...

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

PeterS wrote:

You always accuse me of hating Christian when that is anything but the t***h. What I h**e are the faces in that meme. The h**e and rancor that comes through in voices such as yours. People who call themselves Christian but are anything but. You study everything that there is to be a Christian but you can't let go of your h**e long enough to actually be one. If you've actually opened your heart up and let Christ in how can you so h**e those that don't think like you? I know Christians on both sides of the coin but none who let the hatred of others so dominate their lives as do you.

And I'm not your bitter enemy Blade. I h**e the ignorance that you've chosen to embrace, if there is anything I h**e it would be that, but you, no, I don't h**e you or those like you. I was born and raised by conservatives and much of conservatism is to be admired. It was my mentor at the first university I attended who introduced me to the concept of rationalism and irrationalism and that all things spiritual lie in the irrational and the best we can have is have faith that they are true. I should also add that he is the one who introduced me to the concept of faith because to believe in the irrational requires that you have it.

Of course, my mentor was a Catholic priest so I doubt you would have ever listened to someone like him. The whole point he was trying to make was that to progress in Christianity one had to have faith in the irrational and that you could never rationally prove it. I don't think you can do that Blade, have faith in the irrational. I think it bugs the s**t out of you for anyone to imply that your thinking is irrational--even when it conforms to the very definition of irrationalism.

Now to be fair we live in a world of the rational and irrational and we are in fact comprised of both. And it's also true that most of us don't understand that but someone with an education such as yours should understand and because of that shouldn't be intimidated by either. But it rankles you to no end to be called irrational even though your use of fallacies to create t***h, your worship of the supernatural, and your lashing out at anyone who makes a rational argument all predicate where your beliefs lie.

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Hello Mr. PeterS,

You wrote about your mentor, a catholic priest, saying that you have to have faith in the irrational. I don't doubt that your mentor is a wise man but I just can't reconcile that statement with Catholic teaching or for that matter any Christian teaching.

Your own signature line contains a quote by the great Stephen Hawking, I paraphrase, "stop looking at your feet and begin looking to the stars". Well, when a person studies the universe, nay, the cosmos, it's pretty crazy to see this all as nothing more than random particles, forces and energies, with no prime mover, all interacting and resulting in absurd, irrational coincidences. It is far more rational to entertain the hypotheses of Intelligent Design, Nature, God, wh**ever, as being responsible for the ordered reality in which we find ourselves. A difficult hypothesis to embrace, but it is far easier for an intelligent person to do this than it is to totally ignore the Big Picture or to just scratch the surface and leave it at that.

A religious faith centered on a supreme being seems to me to be totally rational, as opposed to the irrational atheistic view that creation is just a... (sorry, I can't even begin to imagine how an atheist would explain the cosmos).

Mr. PeterS, I'm not implying that you are irrational or an atheist, I just want to make known that the Catholic Church, as well as mainstream Protestant Churches whose doorways I have darkened, teach that the Christian faith is not without reason.

I would also comment on the photos you posted of angry faces at a political rally, that there are many shallow people that make politics their god. They are to be pitied. The majority of conservatives really don't get very worked up over any candidate, we just v**e for the lesser evil and pray for the best.

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

PeterS wrote:

Careful when invoking Einstein and religion. "... (show quote)

Good reply. I have no problem with the facts you have presented. The problem I have with deism is that it is largely devoid of love. A deity without love is lacking something tangible and important, and is therefore imperfect. That leaves the door open for something greater, a perfect deity. The God who is love personified.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

PeterS wrote:

That's a start at least. How do they complement ea... (show quote)

These exchanges revolve around one question - does an infinite living all powerful divine creative intelligence exist, or does He not? And, because human beings are not capable of fully comprehending such an infinitely mysterious concept, the very fact that we are asking the question demands that we give our search for an answer far greater respect than attempting to compare the faith of those truly and honestly seeking the answer to putting their faith in a dead rock.

84% of the people on earth believe such a divine being in one form or other does exist. That is 6.55 billion out of a total of 7.8 billion. 2.2 billion of them are Christians.

I would say that many people who do believe in the "supernatural" deserve the benefit of the doubt in their search for the T***h.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

PeterS wrote:

Can't debate me so you attack me. Typical. If everything I post is a fallacy why is it you are unable to name the fallacies that I use? It should be easy for a Master in English yet you so fumble and stumble in your own fallacies to see the fallacies of others.

You always accuse me of hating Christian when that is anything but the t***h. What I h**e are the faces in that meme. The h**e and rancor that comes through in voices such as yours. People who call themselves Christian but are anything but. You study everything that there is to be a Christian but you can't let go of your h**e long enough to actually be one. If you've actually opened your heart up and let Christ in how can you so h**e those that don't think like you? I know Christians on both sides of the coin but none who let the hatred of others so dominate their lives as do you.

And I'm not your bitter enemy Blade. I h**e the ignorance that you've chosen to embrace, if there is anything I h**e it would be that, but you, no, I don't h**e you or those like you. I was born and raised by conservatives and much of conservatism is to be admired. It was my mentor at the first university I attended who introduced me to the concept of rationalism and irrationalism and that all things spiritual lie in the irrational and the best we can have is have faith that they are true. I should also add that he is the one who introduced me to the concept of faith because to believe in the irrational requires that you have it.

Of course, my mentor was a Catholic priest so I doubt you would have ever listened to someone like him. The whole point he was trying to make was that to progress in Christianity one had to have faith in the irrational and that you could never rationally prove it. I don't think you can do that Blade, have faith in the irrational. I think it bugs the s**t out of you for anyone to imply that your thinking is irrational--even when it conforms to the very definition of irrationalism.

Now to be fair we live in a world of the rational and irrational and we are in fact comprised of both. And it's also true that most of us don't understand that but someone with an education such as yours should understand and because of that shouldn't be intimidated by either. But it rankles you to no end to be called irrational even though your use of fallacies to create t***h, your worship of the supernatural, and your lashing out at anyone who makes a rational argument all predicate where your beliefs lie.

Can't debate me so you attack me. Typical. If ever... (show quote)

Would you admit that there are plenty like that on the left also? I would like to believe that everyone on the right is above such things, but we both know that both sides have their i***ts and h**ers.

PeterS

Roamin' Catholic wrote:

Hello Mr. PeterS, br br You wrote about your ment... (show quote)

Christian faith is not without reason? Prove it! And of course, if you can prove it why then would you need faith? I think my mentor knew what he was talking about--no matter how hard you try there will never be a rational proof for god and if there was it would fully negate the need for faith, faith in which much of Christianity is built around.

And for the record, I am now an atheist and have given up hope for all things irrational...

PeterS

Kickaha wrote:

Would you admit that there are plenty like that on the left also? I would like to believe that everyone on the right is above such things, but we both know that both sides have their i***ts and h**ers.

Anyone who's been on political message boards for any amount of time knows that pretty much all of them have turned into nothing but h**efests. The only thing that I would say that we have over you conservatives is that we don't have any form of media dev**ed to communicating to us in the form of fallacies. If you listen to any kind of daytime conservative radio it is strewn with talking heads whose only means of communication is the logical fallacy starting with the ad hominem attack. If you want to know where that comes from I would start right there.