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Trump all in to maintaining r****t t*****rs names on the gates of military bases, and it is clear why; it is a mirror of Charlottesville
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Jun 10, 2020 20:47:19   #
rumitoid
 
The president fears he will antagonize part of his staunchest base in doing the obvious right thing and long overdue change. He said they would "not even consider" this wise peace overture to heal this mounting tension of racial divide. It is an opportunity for unity...as usual rejected by Trump.

Trump offered this absurd defense of keeping those names in place: “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” Trump wrote. “The United States of America trained and deployed our HEROES on these Hallowed Grounds, and won two World Wars. Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.”

What total BS! He is suggesting that the names of these forts is responsible for "a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom" and not the hearts and bravery of American patriots defending country and liberty; the bases should take the honor and glory, not the men that served, many paying the ultimate price in their efforts. Trump has no clue what it means to serve. Did they go to war to defend their training camp's name or the memory of those names of fighting against our nation in Civil Strife? He is stupid beyond belief to present that as a viable reason for "not even considering" those changes. Or he thinks that little of his base not to unmask the flawed logic and insult to our men in uniform.

The U.S. military recently began rethinking its traditional connection to Confederate Army symbols, including the Army base names, mindful of their d******eness at a time the nation is wrestling with questions of race after the death of G****e F***d in police hands. The Navy and the Marine Corps are now banning public displays of the Confederate Army battle f**g on their installations, casting their decision as necessary to preserve cohesion within the ranks.

"A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet." Not in this situation; the name is not fragrant but noxious.

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Jun 10, 2020 20:50:50   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
The president fears he will antagonize part of his staunchest base in doing the obvious right thing and long overdue change. He said they would "not even consider" this wise peace overture to heal this mounting tension of racial divide. It is an opportunity for unity...as usual rejected by Trump.

Trump offered this absurd defense of keeping those names in place: “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” Trump wrote. “The United States of America trained and deployed our HEROES on these Hallowed Grounds, and won two World Wars. Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.”

What total BS! He is suggesting that the names of these forts is responsible for "a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom" and not the hearts and bravery of American patriots defending country and liberty; the bases should take the honor and glory, not the men that served, many paying the ultimate price in their efforts. Trump has no clue what it means to serve. Did they go to war to defend their training camp's name or the memory of those names of fighting against our nation in Civil Strife? He is stupid beyond belief to present that as a viable reason for "not even considering" those changes. Or he thinks that little of his base not to unmask the flawed logic and insult to our men in uniform.

The U.S. military recently began rethinking its traditional connection to Confederate Army symbols, including the Army base names, mindful of their d******eness at a time the nation is wrestling with questions of race after the death of G****e F***d in police hands. The Navy and the Marine Corps are now banning public displays of the Confederate Army battle f**g on their installations, casting their decision as necessary to preserve cohesion within the ranks.
The president fears he will antagonize part of his... (show quote)


Good for Trump! Go TRUMP!

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Jun 10, 2020 20:52:26   #
Carol Kelly
 
Shame on the Marines. I would expect nothing more from what I’ve seen of the Navy recently.

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Jun 10, 2020 21:37:45   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Shame on the Marines. I would expect nothing more from what I’ve seen of the Navy recently.


What are you saying? are you in agreement with banning the Confederate f**g? What have you seen in the navy lately?

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Jun 10, 2020 21:58:20   #
Carol Kelly
 
Fodaoson wrote:
What are you saying? are you in agreement with banning the Confederate f**g? What have you seen in the navy lately?


I own a Confederate f**g, but I don’t own a gun. My ancestors were imprisoned at Vicksburg and fought all over. I’m sad to say that, although we v**ed to keep our state f**g, now it’s being changed to give in to the criminals among us. I haven’t seen much of the Navy, but I’ve seen enough of one part of the navy with a small n.

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Jun 10, 2020 21:59:38   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
The president fears he will antagonize part of his staunchest base in doing the obvious right thing and long overdue change. He said they would "not even consider" this wise peace overture to heal this mounting tension of racial divide. It is an opportunity for unity...as usual rejected by Trump.

Trump offered this absurd defense of keeping those names in place: “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” Trump wrote. “The United States of America trained and deployed our HEROES on these Hallowed Grounds, and won two World Wars. Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.”

What total BS! He is suggesting that the names of these forts is responsible for "a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom" and not the hearts and bravery of American patriots defending country and liberty; the bases should take the honor and glory, not the men that served, many paying the ultimate price in their efforts. Trump has no clue what it means to serve. Did they go to war to defend their training camp's name or the memory of those names of fighting against our nation in Civil Strife? He is stupid beyond belief to present that as a viable reason for "not even considering" those changes. Or he thinks that little of his base not to unmask the flawed logic and insult to our men in uniform.

The U.S. military recently began rethinking its traditional connection to Confederate Army symbols, including the Army base names, mindful of their d******eness at a time the nation is wrestling with questions of race after the death of G****e F***d in police hands. The Navy and the Marine Corps are now banning public displays of the Confederate Army battle f**g on their installations, casting their decision as necessary to preserve cohesion within the ranks.

"A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet." Not in this situation; the name is not fragrant but noxious.
The president fears he will antagonize part of his... (show quote)

To give in to the minority’s demands, you mean?

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Jun 11, 2020 00:09:17   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
The president fears he will antagonize part of his staunchest base in doing the obvious right thing and long overdue change. He said they would "not even consider" this wise peace overture to heal this mounting tension of racial divide. It is an opportunity for unity...as usual rejected by Trump.

Trump offered this absurd defense of keeping those names in place: “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” Trump wrote. “The United States of America trained and deployed our HEROES on these Hallowed Grounds, and won two World Wars. Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.”

What total BS! He is suggesting that the names of these forts is responsible for "a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom" and not the hearts and bravery of American patriots defending country and liberty; the bases should take the honor and glory, not the men that served, many paying the ultimate price in their efforts. Trump has no clue what it means to serve. Did they go to war to defend their training camp's name or the memory of those names of fighting against our nation in Civil Strife? He is stupid beyond belief to present that as a viable reason for "not even considering" those changes. Or he thinks that little of his base not to unmask the flawed logic and insult to our men in uniform.

The U.S. military recently began rethinking its traditional connection to Confederate Army symbols, including the Army base names, mindful of their d******eness at a time the nation is wrestling with questions of race after the death of G****e F***d in police hands. The Navy and the Marine Corps are now banning public displays of the Confederate Army battle f**g on their installations, casting their decision as necessary to preserve cohesion within the ranks.

"A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet." Not in this situation; the name is not fragrant but noxious.
The president fears he will antagonize part of his... (show quote)


Your cell awaits....Otis...

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Jun 11, 2020 01:01:34   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Good for Trump! Go TRUMP!


Agree, Go Trump, to retirement in Jan 2021. Go Trump never to be heard from again. Go, please go & shut up.

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Jun 11, 2020 19:57:20   #
rumitoid
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
To give in to the minority’s demands, you mean?


No, long awaited decency and respect.

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Jun 11, 2020 19:57:55   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
Your cell awaits....Otis...


Call me Dredd.

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Jun 11, 2020 19:58:32   #
rumitoid
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Agree, Go Trump, to retirement in Jan 2021. Go Trump never to be heard from again. Go, please go & shut up.


Funny.

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Jun 11, 2020 20:09:07   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
The president fears he will antagonize part of his staunchest base in doing the obvious right thing and long overdue change. He said they would "not even consider" this wise peace overture to heal this mounting tension of racial divide. It is an opportunity for unity...as usual rejected by Trump.

Trump offered this absurd defense of keeping those names in place: “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” Trump wrote. “The United States of America trained and deployed our HEROES on these Hallowed Grounds, and won two World Wars. Therefore, my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.”

What total BS! He is suggesting that the names of these forts is responsible for "a Great American Heritage, a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom" and not the hearts and bravery of American patriots defending country and liberty; the bases should take the honor and glory, not the men that served, many paying the ultimate price in their efforts. Trump has no clue what it means to serve. Did they go to war to defend their training camp's name or the memory of those names of fighting against our nation in Civil Strife? He is stupid beyond belief to present that as a viable reason for "not even considering" those changes. Or he thinks that little of his base not to unmask the flawed logic and insult to our men in uniform.

The U.S. military recently began rethinking its traditional connection to Confederate Army symbols, including the Army base names, mindful of their d******eness at a time the nation is wrestling with questions of race after the death of G****e F***d in police hands. The Navy and the Marine Corps are now banning public displays of the Confederate Army battle f**g on their installations, casting their decision as necessary to preserve cohesion within the ranks.

"A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet." Not in this situation; the name is not fragrant but noxious.
The president fears he will antagonize part of his... (show quote)
Those subhuman cockroaches in Seattle are going after statues of all great Americans, including George Washington. Go figure, the state they live in was named for him.

The American Civil War was a defining chapter in our nation's history. The issue of s***ery was just one of at least ten causes of the war. IOW, it took more than just s***ery to trigger the war. Other issues that added to the equation were, for example, states rights (10th amendment), Dred Scott, Economics of cotton, the Abolitionist movement, and the e******n of Abraham Lincoln. (Think about the last one here - the e******n of a POTUS.)

What was it George Santayana said? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I see a statue of Robert E Lee or Stonewall Jackson, I don't think about the stigma of s***ery, of oppressed black people being worked to death. I see Virginians who, for most of their military careers served honorably in the United States Army, but whose loyalty to their home states forced a decision upon them that undoubtedly was troubling.

I see a statue of Virginians Robert E Lee or Stonewall Jackson, I think of other Virginians who played a critical role in our nation's history. One was the author of the Declaration of Independence, another was the author of our Constitution, another was our first president.

"A nation that is not proud of its history cannot be confident in its future, and a nation that is not certain of its values cannot summon the will to defend them."
President Donald Trump

If you don't give a damn where you came from (the past) and how you got here (the present), you'll never know where you are going (the future).

Arlington National Cemetery was once Robert E Lee's home. There are 400,000 Americans interred there. The cemetery is built on plantation land that once belonged to George Washington Parke Custis. Custis was the grandson of Martha Washington and the step-grandson of President George Washington.

The plantation is located on a hilltop overlooking the Potomac River and Washington, D.C. Custis inherited the 1,100-acre plantation from his father at the age of 21 in 1802. He built Arlington House, a Greek Revival-style mansion on the property as a tribute to George Washington and filled the home with many of Washington’s belongings.

In 1857, Custis willed the property to his daughter, Mary Anna Randolph Custis. Mary was the wife of Robert E. Lee, then a military officer in the U.S. Army. The federal government designated Arlington as a national military cemetery in 1864.

Approximately 16,000 Civil War soldiers are buried at Arlington National Cemetery. In 1914, a Confederate Memorial was added to section 16 where 482 Confederate Army troops are buried.

We must ask Petraeus if we should abolish Arlington National Cemetery, dig up 400,000 honored remains and re-inter them in a more appropriate place.

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Jun 11, 2020 23:05:01   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Those subhuman cockroaches in Seattle are going after statues of all great Americans, including George Washington. Go figure, the state they live in was named for him.

The American Civil War was a defining chapter in our nation's history. The issue of s***ery was just one of at least ten causes of the war. IOW, it took more than just s***ery to trigger the war. Other issues that added to the equation were, for example, states rights (10th amendment), Dred Scott, Economics of cotton, the Abolitionist movement, and the e******n of Abraham Lincoln. (Think about the last one here - the e******n of a POTUS.)

What was it George Santayana said? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I see a statue of Robert E Lee or Stonewall Jackson, I don't think about the stigma of s***ery, of oppressed black people being worked to death. I see Virginians who, for most of their military careers served honorably in the United States Army, but whose loyalty to their home states forced a decision upon them that undoubtedly was troubling.

I see a statue of Virginians Robert E Lee or Stonewall Jackson, I think of other Virginians who played a critical role in our nation's history. One was the author of the Declaration of Independence, another was the author of our Constitution, another was our first president.

"A nation that is not proud of its history cannot be confident in its future, and a nation that is not certain of its values cannot summon the will to defend them."
President Donald Trump

If you don't give a damn where you came from (the past) and how you got here (the present), you'll never know where you are going (the future).

Arlington National Cemetery was once Robert E Lee's home. There are 400,000 Americans interred there. The cemetery is built on plantation land that once belonged to George Washington Parke Custis. Custis was the grandson of Martha Washington and the step-grandson of President George Washington.

The plantation is located on a hilltop overlooking the Potomac River and Washington, D.C. Custis inherited the 1,100-acre plantation from his father at the age of 21 in 1802. He built Arlington House, a Greek Revival-style mansion on the property as a tribute to George Washington and filled the home with many of Washington’s belongings.

In 1857, Custis willed the property to his daughter, Mary Anna Randolph Custis. Mary was the wife of Robert E. Lee, then a military officer in the U.S. Army. The federal government designated Arlington as a national military cemetery in 1864.

Approximately 16,000 Civil War soldiers are buried at Arlington National Cemetery. In 1914, a Confederate Memorial was added to section 16 where 482 Confederate Army troops are buried.

We must ask Petraeus if we should abolish Arlington National Cemetery, dig up 400,000 honored remains and re-inter them in a more appropriate place.
Those subhuman cockroaches in Seattle are going af... (show quote)


In the future, you might be only be seeing those statues in your minds eye.

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Jun 11, 2020 23:19:29   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
In the future, you might be only be seeing those statues in your minds eye.


That's a real shame.

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Jun 11, 2020 23:44:52   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
archie bunker wrote:
That's a real shame.


I use to think the statues were a reminder of failed policies in our nations past. Not as something that glorified that past. But I'm wrong. These are totems of a past that should be swept away forever. Look to Germany & see what they did. There removed all remaining totems of N**i Germany to prevent revisionists & neo-n**is from organizing like skin-heads and other h**e groups in this country that really around these statues & the Confederate f**g. The same should be done here. Remove them and move on with the future.

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