Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Right wing propaganda sites pushed this myth, although they were proven wrong many times in the past two years. The right wing media has no compunction about telling lies to it's less than intelligent audience!

NO Stand Down Order Given!
http://news.yahoo.com/officers-no-stand-down-order-b******i-062821082--politics.html

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

This isn't new we know this.

Here is what we don't know what was exactly said. CIA operative on the ground to the admin., we have a problem radicals have broken into our shipment of surface to air missiles, not 100% sure which ones or how many. Yes, the ones going to Syria, yes we have communicated this to our Muslim brotherhood friends. Admin to the military commanders, yes we have a situation and here are the details as we know them. Military commanders to the admin you've got to be defecating us...defecate defecate defecate.

This is how 4 people one a US ambassador dies at the hands of terrorists.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

How many threads does it take for this topic?

You think by repeating it your hair-splitting will turn into a victory?

Patty

Some how I doubt the semantics being pushed by the left makes much difference to the families of these 3 innocent men who were k**led.
To quote the queen oligarch. "What difference does it make" if the troops in Tripoli were told to "Stand down" or "Remain in place" per the testimony of LT. Col. Gibson.
The result was no different. They were left behind.

mcjwelles

Miss Patty, Were you this adamant about the numerous (a dozen at least, as I recall) consulate and embassy attacks, the numerous associated deaths, under the Bush ll administration? Or is it just part of the continuing effort to make our president a one-termer?

Patty

Of course. Bush was the worst president ever till Obama took the belt. Bam Bam is just Bush whacker on steroids.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Consulate attacks didn't begin during the bush admin. I have a very dear friend from Tanzania who had all of his personal history including birth certificates destroyed when that embassy was bombed.

It's not that we were attacked that is the problem. The problem is the reason for the cover up.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

What you people fail to comprehend is that there was never a "cover up", it was simply right wing propaganda from the start!

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/11/explainer-a-year-of-b******i-myths/195821




ote=Constitutional libertarian]Consulate attacks didn't begin during the bush admin. I have a very dear friend from Tanzania who had all of his personal history including birth certificates destroyed when that embassy was bombed.

It's not that we were attacked that is the problem. The problem is the reason for the cover up.[/quote]

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

The problem with B******i is not the fact, that the situation went down. It is how the situation went down and Why the ambassador was there in the first place. Okay here's the questions I want the Obama administration to answer they are simple questions.

1) What was the ambassador doing there?
2) If the CIA had intelligence that militants or terrorists were on the rise and a possible attack is imminent, why was security not doubled or more forces dispatched.
3) When the incident was going down why were there no orders for military presence to assist in the evacuation whether from Tripoli or the Mediterranean?

No, Obama handled B******i like Carter handled the Iranian Hostage Crisis. This is the failure of leadership. I remember Gaddafi, drawing a line of death in the sand and Reagan calling his bluff. Obama did no such thing. Instead he accepted the casualties and did nothing. That's the problem.

He is commander-in-chief and did nothing. If you have an opportunity to act you have a responsibility to act--for it is your duty to act. According to the UCMJ, if you are on watch and you fail to act(there for dereliction of duty) and people die, you can and will be held responsible for treasonous activity. Do you understand now?

I understand Civilians are a bit more lax on this, but us former military are trying to save our own lives and that takes precedence. Sorry Patti but you are wrong.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

You really didn't understand the report did you. Focus on this the four that could have saved the ambassador was redirected. This is where the ball was dropped. Again you are thinking like a post Vietnam era, Civilian and not like a member of the military where we were all expendable. Therefore, you view life as very precious and because your life is on the line you are motivated to go above and beyond the call of duty even if you are injured. But when you are given a lawful order from a superior you must follow it or you put yourself and the lives of those around you in danger. See what I mean.

The ball was dropped by the superiors not the foot soldiers. This is where the problem was. Not the fact that there was a "Stand Down Order", the "Stand Down Order" was an excuse to do the investigation. Get it.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

#1 Ambassador Stevens in his own words said that he went to B******i as a simple gesture to the people that the US was behind their efforts to establish a new democracy!

#2 Stevens turned down military offers of additional security twice.

#Your last question is asinine for the nearest help was 600 miles away, and answered in the original post above!

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Was it asinine for the Canadians to rescue some people from our embassy in Iran in 1979? Resulting in a big sign in Detroit saying, "Thank you Canada"

No, if I had been commander I would have had a carrier group in the Med. on full alert and communications between the carrier and Ambassador Stevens and the Navy Seals on going. So that if there was any trouble, I would launch our fighters and attack aircraft as well as search and rescue aircraft to free our ambassador. This was not done.

And you can't tell me this isn't possible, when I worked as an Avionics technician on the E-2C hawkeye, that extends the radio communication to more than 1000 miles. So the SEALs and the Ambassador would have been saved. Oh by the way, 600 miles is no excuse because the range of the Carrier is thousands of miles, in bad weather. Don't give me the excuse of what was posted above. I know that our military is better than that. Obama just didn't order the protection. He failed to Order the proper solution to the problem and worried more about getting elected than our Ambassador. Plain and simple. This is dereliction of duty. No other word for it.

mcjwelles

1) What was the ambassador doing there?

What is the level of your security clearance? That isn't 'snark' but rather a Q about nat'l security and t***sparency-
2) If the CIA had intelligence that militants or terrorists were on the rise and a possible attack is imminent, why was security not doubled or more forces dispatched.

That question usually heads toward publicly documented requests for funding for our embassies and State Dept. that were turned down- which didn't alter the need for the many deployments but just the budget and safety of these missions.
3) When the incident was going down why were there no orders for military presence to assist in the evacuation whether from Tripoli or the Mediterranean?

There were, there was a response, the attack was simply over before the arrival of troops. There was, too late, an evacuation- all in a matter of hours, not days.

This is from a minimal amount of News available to us all and this is,as such, just garden variety extrapolation on my part. My frustration is simply as to how it blew up so immediately into yet another evidence for effecting the " One Term Obama " plan., the source of yet more hysterical accusation popularly used to vilify and undermine this president at taxpayer expense, and another deflection of focus from the very real work required by the business of our nation this Congress was actually elected and sworn to carry out. Were this an isolated event I would have taken greater note of this non-scandal. It's politics at its worst is what I suspect.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

And according to the person who will very likely be our next president "what difference does it make"

God help us if she is.

mcjwelles

Ranger7374 wrote:
Was it asinine for the Canadians to rescue some people from our embassy in Iran in 1979? Resulting in a big sign in Detroit saying, "Thank you Canada"

No, if I had been commander I would have had a carrier group in the Med. on full alert and communications between the carrier and Ambassador Stevens and the Navy Seals on going. So that if there was any trouble, I would launch our fighters and attack aircraft as well as search and rescue aircraft to free our ambassador. This was not done.

And you can't tell me this isn't possible, when I worked as an Avionics technician on the E-2C hawkeye, that extends the radio communication to more than 1000 miles. So the SEALs and the Ambassador would have been saved. Oh by the way, 600 miles is no excuse because the range of the Carrier is thousands of miles, in bad weather. Don't give me the excuse of what was posted above. I know that our military is better than that. Obama just didn't order the protection. He failed to Order the proper solution to the problem and worried more about getting elected than our Ambassador. Plain and simple. This is dereliction of duty. No other word for it.


You aren't a commander for some reason so this is just the hindsight eval. of a 'fiscal conservative?' and as he lends his experienced advice to the Joint Chiefs- Thanks.