Should We all have equal share? ‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’ My wife and I had some of our grandchildren over for a visit while their parents spent time together...

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’

My wife and I had some of our grandchildren over for a visit while their parents spent time together for a deserved night out. The children wanted to watch a movie, so I had them watch the animated version of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. It’s very good, even for very young children.
You can watch it for free here:iv></div>
The theme is well known. The promise is e******y for everyone, but in the end, some animals end up being more equal than others. The promise of e******y drives much of today’s political philosophy, but those who promote it are the ones who benefit the most.
The shutdown is a perfect example. “We’re all in this together” is a prevalent theme. But we’re not all in it together. Has one government employee suffered from the shutdown? They are all gainfully employed while tens of millions remain unemployed. Businesses have been shut down. Many will never reopen.
Those who talk the most about income ine******y are often the wealthiest. There’s nothing morally wrong about being wealthy. But empowering governments to fix income ine******y only makes it worse.
Christian economics must begin with the issue of ultimate ownership. This sets it apart from modern economic analysis, which begins with the issue of scarcity. Second, this leads to the issue of theft, which in turn raises the issue of ethics.
Someone named Zechariah responded to my article.” He was not happy with it. He blamed both capitalism and socialism for our economic ills.
I’m not a capitalist. I’m an advocate of the free market. There’s a difference. What we have in the United States is not a free market. There’s a great deal of governmental intervention in the marketplace that ends up hurting the poor by disincentivizing them. A permanent dependent class is created that ends up keeping those animals more equal than others in power.
From many of his long comments, Zechariah shows that he does not understand how markets work. The following is his summary:
All I am saying is we should all have an equally share of belongings if we want to truly establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth. Capitalism is evil and will not be allowed into Heaven.
The free enterprise system is not evil. Competition is good. It gives people incentive to improve their lives and property, and to be inventive, which result in the betterment of society for everyone. There are many people right now who refuse to work because the government is giving them free money. They are making more money by staying home. Employers are having trouble getting their employees back to work.
Zechariah appealed to Acts 2:44–45, 4:32–37, and 5:1–10 in an attempt to make his case for e******y. These early Christians voluntarily sold their property and used the proceeds to help those in need. They owned what they sold. Neither the Empire nor the Church had any role in the sale of their property. There was no broader command to the churches to do what Zechariah claims for the Bible.
John R. Richardson writes:
Ananais was free to keep or sell his property. When he sold it, he had the right to determine whether he would give all of it, or part of it, or none of it, into the treasury of the church for the alleviation of the needs of poor Christians. J. W. Lipscomb is certainly correct when he says, “The program was a voluntary expression of Christian concern for the needs of fellow Christians, and was not a program for compulsory collectivism such as we hear advocated all too often today.” [1]
Paul takes up a collection for the Jerusalem church “from the saints” (1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15; Rom 15:14–32). They gave “according to their ability, and beyond their ability, of their own accord” (2 Cor. 8:3).
If everyone sold all their land and houses, where did they live? In the streets? They couldn’t live with other Christians since, according to Zechariah’s claim, they would have sold their land and houses. It’s obvious they sold what they did not require to live to help those in immediate need. Maybe those in need were disinherited because they had deserted Judaism. Some may have lost their jobs. This happens in Muslim countries today.
Also, they had been warned by Jesus that Jerusalem would be destroyed before their generation passed away (Matt. 24:34). They must have still had houses in the lead up to the destruction of Jerusalem, otherwise why would Jesus have said, “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house” (24:17). Mary still had a house (Acts 12:12). Lydia still had a house (16:40). Prisca and Aquila still had a house (Rom. 16:3, 5). There are numerous other examples throughout the NT.
What about Zechariah’s claim that “capitalism will not be allowed in heaven”? Certainly not the way capitalism is practiced today.
We have no idea what heaven will be like. I suspect that the incentive to work, invent, improve, and so much more will continue. There might even be failure, but of the good kind. People get bored very quickly doing nothing.
May 29, 2020 by Gary DeMar

Lonewolf

ldsuttonjr wrote:

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’

My wife and I had some of our grandchildren over for a visit while their parents spent time together for a deserved night out. The children wanted to watch a movie, so I had them watch the animated version of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. It’s very good, even for very young children.
You can watch it for free here:iv></div>
The theme is well known. The promise is e******y for everyone, but in the end, some animals end up being more equal than others. The promise of e******y drives much of today’s political philosophy, but those who promote it are the ones who benefit the most.
The shutdown is a perfect example. “We’re all in this together” is a prevalent theme. But we’re not all in it together. Has one government employee suffered from the shutdown? They are all gainfully employed while tens of millions remain unemployed. Businesses have been shut down. Many will never reopen.
Those who talk the most about income ine******y are often the wealthiest. There’s nothing morally wrong about being wealthy. But empowering governments to fix income ine******y only makes it worse.
Christian economics must begin with the issue of ultimate ownership. This sets it apart from modern economic analysis, which begins with the issue of scarcity. Second, this leads to the issue of theft, which in turn raises the issue of ethics.
Someone named Zechariah responded to my article.” He was not happy with it. He blamed both capitalism and socialism for our economic ills.
I’m not a capitalist. I’m an advocate of the free market. There’s a difference. What we have in the United States is not a free market. There’s a great deal of governmental intervention in the marketplace that ends up hurting the poor by disincentivizing them. A permanent dependent class is created that ends up keeping those animals more equal than others in power.
From many of his long comments, Zechariah shows that he does not understand how markets work. The following is his summary:
All I am saying is we should all have an equally share of belongings if we want to truly establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth. Capitalism is evil and will not be allowed into Heaven.
The free enterprise system is not evil. Competition is good. It gives people incentive to improve their lives and property, and to be inventive, which result in the betterment of society for everyone. There are many people right now who refuse to work because the government is giving them free money. They are making more money by staying home. Employers are having trouble getting their employees back to work.
Zechariah appealed to Acts 2:44–45, 4:32–37, and 5:1–10 in an attempt to make his case for e******y. These early Christians voluntarily sold their property and used the proceeds to help those in need. They owned what they sold. Neither the Empire nor the Church had any role in the sale of their property. There was no broader command to the churches to do what Zechariah claims for the Bible.
John R. Richardson writes:
Ananais was free to keep or sell his property. When he sold it, he had the right to determine whether he would give all of it, or part of it, or none of it, into the treasury of the church for the alleviation of the needs of poor Christians. J. W. Lipscomb is certainly correct when he says, “The program was a voluntary expression of Christian concern for the needs of fellow Christians, and was not a program for compulsory collectivism such as we hear advocated all too often today.” [1]
Paul takes up a collection for the Jerusalem church “from the saints” (1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15; Rom 15:14–32). They gave “according to their ability, and beyond their ability, of their own accord” (2 Cor. 8:3).
If everyone sold all their land and houses, where did they live? In the streets? They couldn’t live with other Christians since, according to Zechariah’s claim, they would have sold their land and houses. It’s obvious they sold what they did not require to live to help those in immediate need. Maybe those in need were disinherited because they had deserted Judaism. Some may have lost their jobs. This happens in Muslim countries today.
Also, they had been warned by Jesus that Jerusalem would be destroyed before their generation passed away (Matt. 24:34). They must have still had houses in the lead up to the destruction of Jerusalem, otherwise why would Jesus have said, “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house” (24:17). Mary still had a house (Acts 12:12). Lydia still had a house (16:40). Prisca and Aquila still had a house (Rom. 16:3, 5). There are numerous other examples throughout the NT.
What about Zechariah’s claim that “capitalism will not be allowed in heaven”? Certainly not the way capitalism is practiced today.
We have no idea what heaven will be like. I suspect that the incentive to work, invent, improve, and so much more will continue. There might even be failure, but of the good kind. People get bored very quickly doing nothing.
May 29, 2020 by Gary DeMar

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’ ... (show quote)

Good post we have moved from capitalism to pure greed and its sad how people who have everything spend do much money to keep others from prospering even a little

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

Lonewolf wrote:

Good post we have moved from capitalism to pure greed and its sad how people who have everything spend do much money to keep others from prospering even a little

Capitalism is not the problem, it's use without honor is!

Kevyn

bilordinary wrote:

Capitalism is not the problem, it's use without honor is!

It is almost always used without honor, the problem is it’s use without sufficient regulation and the unequal playing field when employees are denied collective bargaining.

Lonewolf

Kevyn wrote:

It is almost always used without honor, the problem is it’s use without sufficient regulation and the unequal playing field when employees are denied collective bargaining.

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

Kevyn wrote:

It is almost always used without honor, the problem is it’s use without sufficient regulation and the unequal playing field when employees are denied collective bargaining.

Apparently you believe everyone must be forced to be honorable.
You might need to be forced to behave honorably but most people don't.
Some need frequent reeducation.

Wonttakeitanymore

Lonewolf wrote:

Good post we have moved from capitalism to pure greed and its sad how people who have everything spend do much money to keep others from prospering even a little

No one stops you from prospering except yourself!

debeda

ldsuttonjr wrote:

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’

My wife and I had some of our grandchildren over for a visit while their parents spent time together for a deserved night out. The children wanted to watch a movie, so I had them watch the animated version of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. It’s very good, even for very young children.
You can watch it for free here:iv></div>
The theme is well known. The promise is e******y for everyone, but in the end, some animals end up being more equal than others. The promise of e******y drives much of today’s political philosophy, but those who promote it are the ones who benefit the most.
The shutdown is a perfect example. “We’re all in this together” is a prevalent theme. But we’re not all in it together. Has one government employee suffered from the shutdown? They are all gainfully employed while tens of millions remain unemployed. Businesses have been shut down. Many will never reopen.
Those who talk the most about income ine******y are often the wealthiest. There’s nothing morally wrong about being wealthy. But empowering governments to fix income ine******y only makes it worse.
Christian economics must begin with the issue of ultimate ownership. This sets it apart from modern economic analysis, which begins with the issue of scarcity. Second, this leads to the issue of theft, which in turn raises the issue of ethics.
Someone named Zechariah responded to my article.” He was not happy with it. He blamed both capitalism and socialism for our economic ills.
I’m not a capitalist. I’m an advocate of the free market. There’s a difference. What we have in the United States is not a free market. There’s a great deal of governmental intervention in the marketplace that ends up hurting the poor by disincentivizing them. A permanent dependent class is created that ends up keeping those animals more equal than others in power.
From many of his long comments, Zechariah shows that he does not understand how markets work. The following is his summary:
All I am saying is we should all have an equally share of belongings if we want to truly establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth. Capitalism is evil and will not be allowed into Heaven.
The free enterprise system is not evil. Competition is good. It gives people incentive to improve their lives and property, and to be inventive, which result in the betterment of society for everyone. There are many people right now who refuse to work because the government is giving them free money. They are making more money by staying home. Employers are having trouble getting their employees back to work.
Zechariah appealed to Acts 2:44–45, 4:32–37, and 5:1–10 in an attempt to make his case for e******y. These early Christians voluntarily sold their property and used the proceeds to help those in need. They owned what they sold. Neither the Empire nor the Church had any role in the sale of their property. There was no broader command to the churches to do what Zechariah claims for the Bible.
John R. Richardson writes:
Ananais was free to keep or sell his property. When he sold it, he had the right to determine whether he would give all of it, or part of it, or none of it, into the treasury of the church for the alleviation of the needs of poor Christians. J. W. Lipscomb is certainly correct when he says, “The program was a voluntary expression of Christian concern for the needs of fellow Christians, and was not a program for compulsory collectivism such as we hear advocated all too often today.” [1]
Paul takes up a collection for the Jerusalem church “from the saints” (1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15; Rom 15:14–32). They gave “according to their ability, and beyond their ability, of their own accord” (2 Cor. 8:3).
If everyone sold all their land and houses, where did they live? In the streets? They couldn’t live with other Christians since, according to Zechariah’s claim, they would have sold their land and houses. It’s obvious they sold what they did not require to live to help those in immediate need. Maybe those in need were disinherited because they had deserted Judaism. Some may have lost their jobs. This happens in Muslim countries today.
Also, they had been warned by Jesus that Jerusalem would be destroyed before their generation passed away (Matt. 24:34). They must have still had houses in the lead up to the destruction of Jerusalem, otherwise why would Jesus have said, “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house” (24:17). Mary still had a house (Acts 12:12). Lydia still had a house (16:40). Prisca and Aquila still had a house (Rom. 16:3, 5). There are numerous other examples throughout the NT.
What about Zechariah’s claim that “capitalism will not be allowed in heaven”? Certainly not the way capitalism is practiced today.
We have no idea what heaven will be like. I suspect that the incentive to work, invent, improve, and so much more will continue. There might even be failure, but of the good kind. People get bored very quickly doing nothing.
May 29, 2020 by Gary DeMar

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’ ... (show quote)

I wish people would read more, and schools of higher learning would teach more in depth, about the guild system. It is something that was embedded in the western psyche hundreds of years ago and it still hurts us in practicing free enterprise.

promilitary

Lonewolf wrote:

Good post we have moved from capitalism to pure greed and its sad how people who have everything spend do much money to keep others from prospering even a little

Would you explain just how they're doing that?

promilitary

Kevyn wrote:

It is almost always used without honor, the problem is it’s use without sufficient regulation and the unequal playing field when employees are denied collective bargaining.

Employees cannot be denied collective bargaining.....it's against the law.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Lonewolf wrote:

Good post we have moved from capitalism to pure greed and its sad how people who have everything spend do much money to keep others from prospering even a little

loni: Russia is offering you a free ticket!.....Go and go now!

GmanTerry

ldsuttonjr wrote:

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’

My wife and I had some of our grandchildren over for a visit while their parents spent time together for a deserved night out. The children wanted to watch a movie, so I had them watch the animated version of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. It’s very good, even for very young children.
You can watch it for free here:iv></div>
The theme is well known. The promise is e******y for everyone, but in the end, some animals end up being more equal than others. The promise of e******y drives much of today’s political philosophy, but those who promote it are the ones who benefit the most.
The shutdown is a perfect example. “We’re all in this together” is a prevalent theme. But we’re not all in it together. Has one government employee suffered from the shutdown? They are all gainfully employed while tens of millions remain unemployed. Businesses have been shut down. Many will never reopen.
Those who talk the most about income ine******y are often the wealthiest. There’s nothing morally wrong about being wealthy. But empowering governments to fix income ine******y only makes it worse.
Christian economics must begin with the issue of ultimate ownership. This sets it apart from modern economic analysis, which begins with the issue of scarcity. Second, this leads to the issue of theft, which in turn raises the issue of ethics.
Someone named Zechariah responded to my article.” He was not happy with it. He blamed both capitalism and socialism for our economic ills.
I’m not a capitalist. I’m an advocate of the free market. There’s a difference. What we have in the United States is not a free market. There’s a great deal of governmental intervention in the marketplace that ends up hurting the poor by disincentivizing them. A permanent dependent class is created that ends up keeping those animals more equal than others in power.
From many of his long comments, Zechariah shows that he does not understand how markets work. The following is his summary:
All I am saying is we should all have an equally share of belongings if we want to truly establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth. Capitalism is evil and will not be allowed into Heaven.
The free enterprise system is not evil. Competition is good. It gives people incentive to improve their lives and property, and to be inventive, which result in the betterment of society for everyone. There are many people right now who refuse to work because the government is giving them free money. They are making more money by staying home. Employers are having trouble getting their employees back to work.
Zechariah appealed to Acts 2:44–45, 4:32–37, and 5:1–10 in an attempt to make his case for e******y. These early Christians voluntarily sold their property and used the proceeds to help those in need. They owned what they sold. Neither the Empire nor the Church had any role in the sale of their property. There was no broader command to the churches to do what Zechariah claims for the Bible.
John R. Richardson writes:
Ananais was free to keep or sell his property. When he sold it, he had the right to determine whether he would give all of it, or part of it, or none of it, into the treasury of the church for the alleviation of the needs of poor Christians. J. W. Lipscomb is certainly correct when he says, “The program was a voluntary expression of Christian concern for the needs of fellow Christians, and was not a program for compulsory collectivism such as we hear advocated all too often today.” [1]
Paul takes up a collection for the Jerusalem church “from the saints” (1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15; Rom 15:14–32). They gave “according to their ability, and beyond their ability, of their own accord” (2 Cor. 8:3).
If everyone sold all their land and houses, where did they live? In the streets? They couldn’t live with other Christians since, according to Zechariah’s claim, they would have sold their land and houses. It’s obvious they sold what they did not require to live to help those in immediate need. Maybe those in need were disinherited because they had deserted Judaism. Some may have lost their jobs. This happens in Muslim countries today.
Also, they had been warned by Jesus that Jerusalem would be destroyed before their generation passed away (Matt. 24:34). They must have still had houses in the lead up to the destruction of Jerusalem, otherwise why would Jesus have said, “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house” (24:17). Mary still had a house (Acts 12:12). Lydia still had a house (16:40). Prisca and Aquila still had a house (Rom. 16:3, 5). There are numerous other examples throughout the NT.
What about Zechariah’s claim that “capitalism will not be allowed in heaven”? Certainly not the way capitalism is practiced today.
We have no idea what heaven will be like. I suspect that the incentive to work, invent, improve, and so much more will continue. There might even be failure, but of the good kind. People get bored very quickly doing nothing.
May 29, 2020 by Gary DeMar

‘We Should all Have an Equal Share of Belongings’ ... (show quote)

Capitalism works just fine. However sometime between my childhood and now the Congress has been bought by big business. When I was young, we had and used "Anti Trust" laws. They were enacted and enforced so larger companies couldn't buy up their competition and set prices unfairly. Now we have companies that are too big to fail. If you have no competition you do not have capitalism. Sprint and T-Mobile are the latest example. Does anyone think it was in the public's interest to allow them to merge? There goes another competitor. This is precisely why mobile phone service is so much more expensive in the United States compared to Europe. The damned government keeps allowing small companies to be swallowed up by their larger competition. The prices always go up, not down. This is what is wrong with our present economic model. One phone company, one bank, etc. No competition, equals big prices and service that sux.

Semper Fi

Wonttakeitanymore

How about amazon and trying to take over everything! I hear they’re buying jc penny’s and possible pharmaceuticals!!