Milosia2 wrote:
I wrote a little thing, let me know what you think:
This is what I believe everyman is thinking.
Women complaining is not new. They are becoming more and more vociferous as each day passes. So quick to tell men they are only making .78 as compared to every dollar a male makes. We all know sitting at a traffic light the cars around us are all staffed by women. Not clunkers, but, BMWs, Cadillacs ,Mercedes, Volvos. Here in Tampa you can add Jaguars and Masseratti’s. Not a car there for .78 / dollar. One has to wonder, how do they do it.
Years ago a new apron or vacuum cleaner was everything. Men have been committed to female betterment for a long time. We didnt want them cleaning all the time so we made improvements. No wax floors, no iron clothes, microwaves, frozen dinners, Roombas, Instant potatoes and on and on. Freeing up their valuable time to sit with their friends on their patio sipping iced tea and plotting their uprising. As we continue driving down the road it becomes even more apparent. Ask a car dealer who their number one customers are, women. When you look at the store fronts you see womens hair salons, spas, nail salons, numerous boutiques of different categories jewelry stores, flower shops, then theres the big department stores that when men go in they find at least 75% of the store is stocked to the ceiling with ... yep women’s stuff. The Mens Section is comprised of a small corner of the store with a very sad se******n of things. If you should buy a shirt to wear out to dinner saturday night you will quickly find at least three other males wearing the same shirt. This is a problem most women never have.
The one thing seemingly forgotten is the huge number of men k**led and maimed fighting in wars. Women have a whole different history than men. They cannot claim the same history as men. Any tragedy say a shooting, is explained as Man shoots and k**ls 10 people, 3 women. A boat sinking with few lifeboats its” women and children first.” Men are expected to stay and die.
Men are continually expected to step in front of the bullets. A woman gets attacked the men rush to her defense, a man gets attacked and they stand there with their iPhones taking pictures and laughing or just walk around.
But I dont think that will serve a purpose. The whole human society has been created to protect women, yet women are oppressed.
My point is this, I am all for equal pay. This should be. Does “E******y” really mean Everything for Women Plus 1/2 of mine?
Will women be willing to forfeit their positions today in favor of what they want?
They can't claim large chunks of male history on the same terms, they can't claim absolute e******y in every sense and they can't claim to be society's greatest victims whilst still demanding special consideration and privileges because they’re oppressed on the basis that they're different.
I know us Neandrethal men have been d**gging women by the hair right up to the present day. When you try figure out why , it gets confusing.
The bigger picture looks quite different than it is today.
I relish the thought of independent women, because this frees up the lives for independent men, No longer boxed in by the struggling underclass female society.
I am positive women already know this, and is the reason they arent kicking up a bigger fuss. Well it is predictable of course. Men are expected to die, get maimed, or to sacrifice themselves for "greater good".
They arent even counted and their suffering is not even considered, only expected.
If you are a woman, you will get a job rather than man, due to Affirmative Action.
If you are female and want to be a policeman/soldier/firefighter, you will not need to follow the same standards of physical fitness as men.
I do however find the antagonistic bullying a greater concern. Listening to Zerlina complain about men never treating women very good.
Makes me wonder if she might be treated better if she would just stop kicking men in the shins and complaining everytime she thinks about it.
The argument that men are either with them or against them is a fallacy. For women to even think everything would stay the same, but, their pay would increase would not be accurate. I just heard recently from HuffPost that men should just take a pay cut. A pay cut ??? Is this the way they plan to solve their ine******y’s? They would not even be here without our rib donation.
How could they ever pay back the males for donating that rib that went across our midsection that held our bellies inside.
In the Japanese Culture the women walk behind the men, contrary to the belief they are second class and subservient, they are equal partners in the marriage, and are recognised as equal partners. Just imagine Japanese women deciding they want to walk in the front, to fight off any would be attacker. I’m not saying that women couldnt, I’m saying why would they want to.
For my own part, I wouldn't want to live in a society that doesn't look after its females. But I don't like this hypocritical attitude and excessive victimhood they claim constantly at the moment. I can keep counting on and on.
But I dont think that will serve a purpose. The whole human society has been created to protect women, yet women are oppressed .
So, you want Equal Pay? Fine All men are getting a .22 cent pay cut.
Bango equal pay.
Good Luck learning to live with less.
Learn to enjoy what you’ve gained.
I wrote a little thing, let me know what you think... (
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I can identify with more than half of that. I'd leave out the part about the rib.
I've often felt at a disadvantage because of being male. However, rather than descend into those details, for the moment I just want to say that both g****rs (simplistically "both", not counting non-traditional g****rs) have significant issues, disadvantages, and advantages.
Regarding money:
In addition to what you've said, there is also an argument about e******y of jobs:
If some women do actually have exactly the same job with the same responsibilities and obligations as the men who have those jobs, and perform the same as the men, with the same dependability for the future, then of course the pay should be equal.
In _my_ experiences, the pay _has_ been equal. I've worked about a dozen different kinds of jobs. I didn't make a lot of inquiries about who gets paid how much, but I think equal work, in the situations _I've_ been in, has been rewarded with equal pay regardless of g****r.
I've had some bosses (or supervisors, or evaluators) or I've served under some leaders, who were women.
(Two particular incidents stick in my mind (however, I'm not sure whether they are exactly relevant here). In each incident, I was applying for a job, and was in the job interview. In one of them, the interviewer assumed I was too young (I was 19 and looked younger) without asking nor finding out! I was lucky to be able to stumble across a clue that that's what happened. (I knew a young _woman_, the same age as me, who did get such a job there.) The other job interview was a few years later and I was rejected for being overqualified (though that word was not used). Both those interviewers were women. In the second of those interviews, after talking with me, the interviewer called in another woman, and said to her: "This young man has a college degree; he can do anything he wants; and he wants this job. I'm not going to hire him." And that was all; end of interview. It would have been a good job for me though; more than 30 years later I finally landed in a similar job and did well in it, and was told in my annual evaluation that I was one of their best workers. That job was more complex than the earlier one but still it was basically a similar kind of work.)
There was one particular situation, in my experience, where the pay became much different (but in this example the work was also much different), and I was there to witness it. A man and woman were married to each other. They both worked full time. When they divorced, the woman stopped working. The man continued to work. As a result, the woman's "income" became very low. The man's income continued to slowly rise for the next 20 years. During the same 20 years, the woman took a few part-time jobs but didn't stick with any job for very long, and much of the time didn't work at any job. The man stayed in the same "job" (with some changes but still in the same large organization) for many years and finally retired with a good retirement income. During many years since the divorce the man helped to financially support the woman (and the man did virtually all the financial support of their children), whether required or not -- sometimes being ordered by a court to do what he was already doing -- and sometimes just voluntarily when she asked him to and he wasn't required to do it. Now, if you look at these two people, who are probably fairly typical examples in the U.S., the woman's income was _far_ less than the man's; but she wasn't doing the same kind of work at all.
The author Warren Farrell, PhD, has written several important books about g****r and men. He had a background as a well-regarded feminist, beloved by women, before he began asking men for their experiences and started including that in his talks. One of his books is "Why Men Earn More: The Startling T***h Behind the Pay Gap--And What Women Can Do about It". The trend of his argument, as I recollect it, is that many women aren't actually working the same as men do, sometimes even when having the same job titles. Also, sometimes a person is actually better off choosing quality of life rather than high pay. Among his other books, my favorites have been "Why Men Are The Way They Are" and "The Myth Of Male Power".
One of the most interesting things in his writing is how, in the beginnings of some of his books, he describes how successful he was as a feminist and how feminists suddenly rejected him when he started presenting both men's and women's perspectives.
In his book "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say", beginning on page 87, he investigates the United Nations "Human Development Report 1995" which was made into a major media event with headlines such as "It's official: Women ~do~ work harder". I was astounded by what he found and wrote about it; and this was _after_ I thought I had seen it all in his "The Myth Of Male Power". As just one example of it, he writes "However, the U.N.'s graph and press release excluded every single one of the countries in which the ~men~ were found to work ~more~ than the women according to the U.N.'s own study."