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May 24, 2020 05:00:30   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
PeterS wrote:
Your parsing Trump's actions. What Trump did was to demonstrate a complete and total lack of respect for the rule of law in this country. Even Nixon ended up complying with the subpoenas; Reagan complied with the subpoenas levied against his administration as did Clinton and every president since with the exception of Trump who has ignored every action by congress. As for Holder, he didn't ignore anything but relied on a ruling from a federal court judge--a ruling which he complied with turning over all non-privileged documents and retaining those deemed privileged.

Snip>>>A spokesperson for the House committee said the judge's ruling is a step towards the panel receiving documents it should have been given years ago. "The Oversight Committee is pleased that the Judge in the case has rejected the Department's request to continue illegally withholding documents and its attempt to unnecessarily prolong the proceeding. This court ruling affirms that Attorney General Holder broke the law in withholding subpoenaed documents, which led the House of Representatives to v**e him in criminal contempt," said the spokesperson.

If, Holder was found to have broken the law in this one case then how many times has Trump broken the law with the multitude of subpoenas that he behaves as if they were never written? If the president can break the law without so much as a shrug then what value is there to the rule of law? Are we only to comply with those laws that we like, written by people of a like ideology, or do we comply with lawfully written requests for documents? That's exactly the position that Trump has taken, to simply pretend as if it's not there, only you conservatives don't seem to find anything wrong with the actions that he's taken. Maybe it's not the president who is the problem but those who allow him to do wh**ever it is he wants to do...rule of law be damned!
Your parsing Trump's actions. What Trump did was t... (show quote)

Has Trump ignored ANY subpoenas from a court of law? If he (or any President) invokes executive privilege, it is up to the issuing congressional body to go to court to enforce the subpoena. If they fail to do that, their subpoena is nothing more than a request. This has been done by both Democrat and Republican Presidents. Congressional Democrats have issued subpoenas that they knew were not enforceable just for the optics of the situation. I'm sure Republicans have done it in the past and will probably do it in the future. It doesn't make it right, it just shows neither side is innocent. With our 24/7 news coverage, it just seems like the Democrats have gone overboard with this.

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May 24, 2020 05:23:34   #
Wickedestoldwolf
 
PeterS wrote:
I didn't call you a pussy J. I called Sici and his 'we want a civil war' ilk a bunch of pussies...and they are.


Sounds like you called anyone that isn't one of your club "a bunch of pussys" to me pal. But so far that's what you Democrat liberal types do. Say s**t then say you didn't say it. Craw fish in or back water. I never paid much attention until the last 4 years but that seems to be what most of you do. Kinda like picking a fight then calling the cops.

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May 24, 2020 06:33:33   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Kickaha wrote:
Just for clarification, Trump has not ignored any enforceable subpoena. Congress can request information from the president, but if the president invokes executive privilege Congress must go to court to determine if the subpoena is enforceable or if executive privilege applies. Unless the court rules in favor of Congress, the congressional subpoena is merely a request not an order. Eric Holder ignored a valid subpoena and was cited for contempt of Congress. Not much of a penalty other than telling him he was a bad boy.
Just for clarification, Trump has not ignored any ... (show quote)


Correct! We have three, co-equal branches. Dems don't like to apologize or like asking for anything. Watching the blue state governors proves they think they are our superiors and can tell us what to do. Time to prove them wrong come November. It beats a civil war.

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May 24, 2020 06:34:44   #
Big Kahuna
 
Kickaha wrote:
Good post. Unfortunately, the ones who really need to read and understand this won't be able to comprehend its meaning. They will rant and rave that it is Trump's fault, the right-wing media conspiracy, and conservative talk radio.


Sounds like Hitlery every time she was fingered as having her dirty hand in the cookie jar. When rapist Bill was caught dead handed with his sperm on Monica's dress it was a right wing conspiracy. When Hitlery lost the e******n it was a right wing conspiracy and Russian collusion. When she tripped over her own feet and fell down, it was a right wing conspiracy. When Bill and Hill were found out only giving 5% of the Clinton Foundation $$$$ money to charity and stiffing the Haitians it was a right wing conspiracy. Even when Hitlery left the White House and stole the silverware, tablecloth, paintings and the bathroom toilet paper, it was a right wing conspiracy. Now we find out that from Bill's presidency for 8 years and Obama's miserable 8 years it has been a left wing conspiracy with the demorats and ovommit's illegal surveillance, corruption, weaponizing the intelligence agencies, using the IRS to silence critics of the c****e dem party, v**er tampering and fraud and an felonious attempt to nullify our pick for Trump as President. If the corrupt press were not the whore's and pimps of the demorat party this crap would not be going on!!

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May 24, 2020 06:43:35   #
Big Kahuna
 
PeterS wrote:
The dems can do anything? How many subpoenas did Obama ignore? How many subpoenas did Trump ignore? Is there any aspect of the rule of law that Trump obeys?

You people live on Fantasy Island. You are fed fallacies 24/7 and you've ceased thinking for yourselves decades ago. If there is every a civil war it's for that reason right there. The real question is just who's going to follow you? Are you just going to walk out the door and start shooting? Are you going to attack government agencies? To start your war you have to deal with the city police, the state police, the national guard, and a countless number of government agencies not to mention the us military. Now I know you think they are all on your side, and while some might be, the majority will love their country enough that they will stand up to anarchists and put your little revolution down.

Your civil war just ain't going to happen not even when Trump comes up on the losing end. In the end you guys are nothing but a bunch of pussies. If you listen to Sici the Civil war was supposed to start May 1. And if you DO decide to start a war make sure you have your masks on and social distance. C***D is still more dangerous than any one of you...
The dems can do anything? How many subpoenas did O... (show quote)


If the conservative real Americans are on Fantasy Island then the whole demorat party and it's anti-American v**ers are on Epstein Island, not a fantasy island but a real island. The c****e dems are nothing but a bunch of rapists, p*******es, finger assaulting, hair sniffing, women suppressing, bigoted, anti-God, anti-Christian, pro murder, infanticide loving, devil worshipping, sexual perverted party of h**e, bribery, collusion, v***r f***d, and regressiveness. The dems all need run out of town before they totally destroy our great country!!

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May 24, 2020 06:53:43   #
Big Kahuna
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
A lot of journalism IS opinion; what is lacking is basic honesty. "Journalism" has become agenda-driven bulls**t with t***h as the first casualty. Both sides are guilty; I think the left much more so than the right. That's why I am a Conservative.... we have fewer liars.
I have seen polls showing that more Liberals tend to have college degrees. In what? G****r Studies? I have seen college professors who couldn't pour pee out of a boot, and Doctoral candidates who couldn't write their own dissertations.
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The polls also show that l*****ts are more prone to rat out and turn in anyone not abiding by the social distancing and face mask, isolation demorat destroy our economy agenda. They would even turn in their own kids and they taught their kids to rat them out too. You know the dems are fearful and weenies when even their cars have masks on their front grille's. I even saw some dems putting masks on their barbecue grille's and carrying tape measures to insure all people followed the 6' rule! These are sick people and they will turn on you in a heartbeat. They give na$i salutes to the state and a finger to liberty, morality and the rule of law.

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May 24, 2020 07:17:25   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
JFlorio wrote:
Why would we listen to SiSi? Antisemitic conspiracy nut. You’ve got my name and address. Come visit and call me a pussy to my face keyboard warrior. .


👍🏻👍🏻. He Doesn’t have the foggiest of the clues that leads to proof on the dealing of the democrats. Anyway he won’t go, typical mentally imbalanced that he’s blind to his own fallacy.

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May 24, 2020 10:31:22   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Doesn’t Biden fit in those categories? Plagiarism. Said he had 3 degree. Only had one. Said he graduated at near top of his class. Graduated near the bottom. Come on man, he’s the perfect Democrat.
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
A lot of journalism IS opinion; what is lacking is basic honesty. "Journalism" has become agenda-driven bulls**t with t***h as the first casualty. Both sides are guilty; I think the left much more so than the right. That's why I am a Conservative.... we have fewer liars.
I have seen polls showing that more Liberals tend to have college degrees. In what? G****r Studies? I have seen college professors who couldn't pour pee out of a boot, and Doctoral candidates who couldn't write their own dissertations.
A lot of journalism IS opinion; what is lacking is... (show quote)

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May 24, 2020 12:02:07   #
Big Kahuna
 
JFlorio wrote:
Doesn’t Biden fit in those categories? Plagiarism. Said he had 3 degree. Only had one. Said he graduated at near top of his class. Graduated near the bottom. Come on man, he’s the perfect Democrat.


Said he didn't assault that woman, but he really did.

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May 24, 2020 12:05:45   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Said he didn't assault that woman, but he really did.


Won't make that conclusion personally. I believe every accused person has the right to defend themselves and not be labeled guilty until all evidence is in. Since Democrats hold the House and we all know they only give lip service to the stupid #meto movement nothing will be done or investigated.

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May 24, 2020 14:26:28   #
eden
 
PeterS wrote:
The dems can do anything? How many subpoenas did Obama ignore? How many subpoenas did Trump ignore? Is there any aspect of the rule of law that Trump obeys?

You people live on Fantasy Island. You are fed fallacies 24/7 and you've ceased thinking for yourselves decades ago. If there is every a civil war it's for that reason right there. The real question is just who's going to follow you? Are you just going to walk out the door and start shooting? Are you going to attack government agencies? To start your war you have to deal with the city police, the state police, the national guard, and a countless number of government agencies not to mention the us military. Now I know you think they are all on your side, and while some might be, the majority will love their country enough that they will stand up to anarchists and put your little revolution down.

Your civil war just ain't going to happen not even when Trump comes up on the losing end. In the end you guys are nothing but a bunch of pussies. If you listen to Sici the Civil war was supposed to start May 1. And if you DO decide to start a war make sure you have your masks on and social distance. C***D is still more dangerous than any one of you...
The dems can do anything? How many subpoenas did O... (show quote)


Good post. Thank you for righting the ship.

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May 24, 2020 14:29:06   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Kickaha wrote:
Good post. Unfortunately, the ones who really need to read and understand this won't be able to comprehend its meaning. They will rant and rave that it is Trump's fault, the right-wing media conspiracy, and conservative talk radio.


YOURS was the good post, we've all seen the other a couple of times before. Until now it's been a 'cold war' so to speak. Pretty soon it will heat up. Do I have a timeline? As a matter of fact yes, but in my almost 50 years in the military I've learned where and with who to discuss secrets.

Right now I'm enjoying stumping the doctors for a fourth time. Every conceivable test and I still came out negative.

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May 24, 2020 14:35:52   #
eden
 
Peewee wrote:
Correct! We have three, co-equal branches. Dems don't like to apologize or like asking for anything. Watching the blue state governors proves they think they are our superiors and can tell us what to do. Time to prove them wrong come November. It beats a civil war.


Can you quote Trump apologizing for anything? All Governors are vested with legal powers. In an e******n year I would think it prudent for any Governor to err slightly on the side of caution given the clear demonstrable consequence of reckless defiance. Understood that for some the re-enactment of childhood Oppositional Defiance is the cheap thrill du jour.

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May 24, 2020 14:42:29   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
PeterS wrote:
The dems can do anything? How many subpoenas did Obama ignore? How many subpoenas did Trump ignore? Is there any aspect of the rule of law that Trump obeys?

You people live on Fantasy Island. You are fed fallacies 24/7 and you've ceased thinking for yourselves decades ago. If there is every a civil war it's for that reason right there. The real question is just who's going to follow you? Are you just going to walk out the door and start shooting? Are you going to attack government agencies? To start your war you have to deal with the city police, the state police, the national guard, and a countless number of government agencies not to mention the us military. Now I know you think they are all on your side, and while some might be, the majority will love their country enough that they will stand up to anarchists and put your little revolution down.

Your civil war just ain't going to happen not even when Trump comes up on the losing end. In the end you guys are nothing but a bunch of pussies. If you listen to Sici the Civil war was supposed to start May 1. And if you DO decide to start a war make sure you have your masks on and social distance. C***D is still more dangerous than any one of you...
The dems can do anything? How many subpoenas did O... (show quote)


I have 27 here and 30 in Kansas then another 30 or so in Colorado. Just walk ..no. Gov't agencies no. I know who and what we have to deal with I've done it enough. Want to know who is first, look in a mirror. You are truly a moron if you believe the mask and social distancing crap. My agenda isn't the same as Sici's timetable is very different. I'm still not sure when I'm starting my daughter and I argue about that nightly.

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May 24, 2020 14:44:11   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
JFlorio wrote:
Mostly opinion on both sides. No one sources anything anymore. All wanting the scoop.


The Hil and Epoch Times still do journalism, too much opinion though.

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