G****l W*****g/Computer Models/Ice
Jul 7, 2014 16:38:51 #
DailyMail
G****l w*****g computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year
Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing
By David Rose
Published: 16:01 EST, 5 July 2014 | Updated: 02:02 EST, 7 July 2014
The levels of Antarctic sea-ice last week hit an all-time high confounding c*****e c****e computer models which say it should be in decline.
Americas National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1 million more than is usual for the time of year.
It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979.
In statistical terms, the extent of the ice cover is hugely significant.
It represents the latest stage in a trend that started ten years ago, and means that an area the size of Greenland, which would normally be open water, is now frozen.
The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.
In its authoritative Fifth Assessment Report released last year, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on C*****e C****e admitted that the computer models on which scientists base their projections say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing.
The report said: There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent since 1979, due to incomplete and competing scientific explanations for the causes of change.
Some scientists have suggested the Antarctic ice increase may itself be caused by g****l w*****g. But Professor Judith Curry, head of climate science at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, said the arguments were not convincing.
She added: We do not have a quantitative, predictive understanding of the rise in Antarctic sea ice extent.
She said it was becoming increasingly apparent that long-term cycles in ocean temperatures were responsible for a significant proportion of the ice decline in the Arctic a process that may be starting to reverse.
Prof Curry also revealed that because of the pause, in which world average temperatures have not risen for more than 16 years, the Arctic ice decline has been touted by many as the most important evidence for continued g****l w*****g.
But in her view, climate scientists have to consider evidence from both Poles.
She added: Convincing arguments regarding the causes of sea-ice variations require understanding and ability to model both the Arctic and Antarctic.
IT'S POLITICS, NOT SCIENCE, DRIVING C*****E C****E MANIA
For years, computer simulations have predicted that sea ice should be disappearing from the Poles.
Now, with the news that Antarctic sea-ice levels have hit new highs, comes yet another mishap to tarnish the credibility of climate science.
Climatologists base their doom-laden predictions of the Earths climate on computer simulations.
But these have long been the subject of ridicule because of their stunning failure to predict the pause in warming nearly 18 years long on some measures since the turn of the last century.
Its the same with sea ice. We hear a great deal about the decline in Arctic sea ice, in line with or even ahead of predictions.
But why are environmentalists and scientists so much less keen to discuss the long-term increase in the southern hemisphere?
In fact, across the globe, there are about one million square kilometres more sea ice than 35 years ago, which is when satellite measurements began.
Its fair to say that this has been something of an embarrassment for climate modellers. But it doesnt stop there.
In recent days a new scandal over the integrity of temperature data has emerged, this time in America, where it has been revealed as much as 40 per cent of temperature data there are not real thermometer readings.
Many temperature stations have closed, but rather than stop recording data from these posts, the authorities have taken the remarkable step of estimating temperatures based on the records of surrounding stations.
So vast swathes of the data are actually from zombie stations that have long since disappeared.
This is bad enough, but it has also been discovered that the USs National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is using estimates even when perfectly good raw data is available to it and that it has adjusted historical records.
Why should it do this?
Many have noted that the effect of all these changes is to produce a warmer present and a colder past, with the net result being the impression of much faster warming. They draw their conclusions accordingly.
Naturally, if the US temperature records are indeed found to have been manipulated, this is unlikely to greatly affect our overall picture of rising temperatures at the end of the last century and a standstill thereafter.
The US is, after all, only a small proportion of the globe.
Similarly, climatologists difficulties with the sea ice may be of little scientific significance in the greater scheme of things.
We have only a few decades of data, and in climate terms this is probably too short to demonstrate that either the Antarctic increase or the Arctic decrease is anything other than natural variability.
But the relentless focus by activist scientists on the Arctic decline does suggest a political imperative rather than a scientific one and when put together with the story of the US temperature records, its hard to avoid the impression that what the public is being told is less than the unvarnished t***h.
As their credulity is stretched more and more, the public will quite rightly treat demands for action with increasing caution
Andrew Mountford
G****l w*****g computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year
Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing
By David Rose
Published: 16:01 EST, 5 July 2014 | Updated: 02:02 EST, 7 July 2014
The levels of Antarctic sea-ice last week hit an all-time high confounding c*****e c****e computer models which say it should be in decline.
Americas National Snow And Ice Data Center, which is funded by Nasa, revealed that ice around the southern continent covers about 16million sq km, more than 2.1 million more than is usual for the time of year.
It is by far the highest level since satellite observations on which the figures depend began in 1979.
In statistical terms, the extent of the ice cover is hugely significant.
It represents the latest stage in a trend that started ten years ago, and means that an area the size of Greenland, which would normally be open water, is now frozen.
The Antarctic surge is so big that overall, although Arctic ice has decreased, the frozen area around both poles is one million square kilometres more than the long-term average.
In its authoritative Fifth Assessment Report released last year, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on C*****e C****e admitted that the computer models on which scientists base their projections say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing.
The report said: There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent since 1979, due to incomplete and competing scientific explanations for the causes of change.
Some scientists have suggested the Antarctic ice increase may itself be caused by g****l w*****g. But Professor Judith Curry, head of climate science at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, said the arguments were not convincing.
She added: We do not have a quantitative, predictive understanding of the rise in Antarctic sea ice extent.
She said it was becoming increasingly apparent that long-term cycles in ocean temperatures were responsible for a significant proportion of the ice decline in the Arctic a process that may be starting to reverse.
Prof Curry also revealed that because of the pause, in which world average temperatures have not risen for more than 16 years, the Arctic ice decline has been touted by many as the most important evidence for continued g****l w*****g.
But in her view, climate scientists have to consider evidence from both Poles.
She added: Convincing arguments regarding the causes of sea-ice variations require understanding and ability to model both the Arctic and Antarctic.
IT'S POLITICS, NOT SCIENCE, DRIVING C*****E C****E MANIA
For years, computer simulations have predicted that sea ice should be disappearing from the Poles.
Now, with the news that Antarctic sea-ice levels have hit new highs, comes yet another mishap to tarnish the credibility of climate science.
Climatologists base their doom-laden predictions of the Earths climate on computer simulations.
But these have long been the subject of ridicule because of their stunning failure to predict the pause in warming nearly 18 years long on some measures since the turn of the last century.
Its the same with sea ice. We hear a great deal about the decline in Arctic sea ice, in line with or even ahead of predictions.
But why are environmentalists and scientists so much less keen to discuss the long-term increase in the southern hemisphere?
In fact, across the globe, there are about one million square kilometres more sea ice than 35 years ago, which is when satellite measurements began.
Its fair to say that this has been something of an embarrassment for climate modellers. But it doesnt stop there.
In recent days a new scandal over the integrity of temperature data has emerged, this time in America, where it has been revealed as much as 40 per cent of temperature data there are not real thermometer readings.
Many temperature stations have closed, but rather than stop recording data from these posts, the authorities have taken the remarkable step of estimating temperatures based on the records of surrounding stations.
So vast swathes of the data are actually from zombie stations that have long since disappeared.
This is bad enough, but it has also been discovered that the USs National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is using estimates even when perfectly good raw data is available to it and that it has adjusted historical records.
Why should it do this?
Many have noted that the effect of all these changes is to produce a warmer present and a colder past, with the net result being the impression of much faster warming. They draw their conclusions accordingly.
Naturally, if the US temperature records are indeed found to have been manipulated, this is unlikely to greatly affect our overall picture of rising temperatures at the end of the last century and a standstill thereafter.
The US is, after all, only a small proportion of the globe.
Similarly, climatologists difficulties with the sea ice may be of little scientific significance in the greater scheme of things.
We have only a few decades of data, and in climate terms this is probably too short to demonstrate that either the Antarctic increase or the Arctic decrease is anything other than natural variability.
But the relentless focus by activist scientists on the Arctic decline does suggest a political imperative rather than a scientific one and when put together with the story of the US temperature records, its hard to avoid the impression that what the public is being told is less than the unvarnished t***h.
As their credulity is stretched more and more, the public will quite rightly treat demands for action with increasing caution
Andrew Mountford
Jul 7, 2014 16:48:39 #
AuntiE wrote:
DailyMail
G****l w*****g computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year
Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing
Andrew Mountford
G****l w*****g computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year
Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing
Andrew Mountford
Isn't God wonderful? He said he would make fools of the wise did he not? He is in control and has been since the creation of this earth and the life on it. When life on this earth will be destroyed it will be God that does it and not man. God is the creator and man is the creation. Isn't it amazing how the left constantly confuses the two?
Jul 7, 2014 16:53:52 #
Garbage in, garbage out. God is going to burn the earth in his own time, and wh**ever we do global-warming wise will have no affect. Clean air to breathe is another matter. We should WORK WITH INDUSTRY toward cleaner air.
Jul 7, 2014 17:04:57 #
grace scott wrote:
Garbage in, garbage out. God is going to burn the earth in his own time, and wh**ever we do global-warming wise will have no affect. Clean air to breathe is another matter. We should WORK WITH INDUSTRY toward cleaner air.
God already has that solution in effect for you and the rest of the world. It is those green plants bushes and trees that grow all around us. All we have to do is reduce the size of our cities and reduce the amount of concrete and the trees shrubs and bushes will clean up the air that you breathe. You can also move out into rural areas and have plenty of God given clean air to breathe and some of it may even be tainted with the smell of some of Gods creation the animals. Life is slower and sweeter and more gentle. Remember that song "He has the whole world in his hands". Believe me it is true God has the whole world in his hands. The problem comes when man thinks that he is God and that is where the destruction begins.
Jul 7, 2014 17:12:41 #
grace scott wrote:
Garbage in, garbage out. God is going to burn the earth in his own time, and wh**ever we do global-warming wise will have no affect. Clean air to breathe is another matter. We should WORK WITH INDUSTRY toward cleaner air.
But, how far are you willing to go? Does severe detriment to various industries and their employees matter? I forget where I read it; however, the US, based on what we are already doing, ranks very low in CO2 emissions. In point of fact, our CO2 emissions are considered negligible compared to other major countries. Those countries care not a pinch of spit what our policies are, what we say on the matter and are going to do as they wish. We do not have the authority to impose our standards on other sovereign nations.
Jul 7, 2014 17:13:49 #
bahmer wrote:
God already has that solution in effect for you an... (show quote)
It may not be Sunday; however, AMEN!
Jul 7, 2014 17:56:44 #
AuntiE wrote:
But, how far are you willing to go? Does severe de... (show quote)
Of course industries and their employees matter. That is why I said "work with industry." On a previous post I commented that we could reduce our pollutants to zero and it would make no difference to the world unless other nations did the same.
Jul 7, 2014 18:02:10 #
grace scott wrote:
Of course industries and their employees matter. That is why I said "work with industry." On a previous post I commented that we could reduce our pollutants to zero and it would make no difference to the world unless other nations did the same.
I had not seen your previous posting. I am sorry for lecturing, as you obviously understand.
Jul 7, 2014 18:04:06 #
bahmer wrote:
God already has that solution in effect for you an... (show quote)
At my husband's insistence, we sold my dream house (I designed it) and the farm and down sized. We moved into town and saved a bit of money on gas because we moved close to where I worked. I miss the fruit trees, the deer and other animals. The air was clean and smelled good. I particularly miss seeing the fish jump in the lake. Now you've done it. I'm homesick, and 'll be in a funk for hours.
Jul 7, 2014 19:14:32 #
AuntiE wrote:
DailyMail br br b G****l w*****g computer models... (show quote)
This whole c*****e c****e/g****l w*****g is only lies and always has been. Its all about taxing americans.
Jul 7, 2014 19:24:40 #
Unclet
Loc: Amarillo, Tx
AuntiE wrote:
But, how far are you willing to go? Does severe de... (show quote)
We will quietly lead from behind, and all will be well - Eventually they will see the error of their ways and totally fall into line with our fearless and feckless leader. BS
Jul 7, 2014 19:38:48 #
AuntiE wrote:
DailyMail
G****l w*****g computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year
Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing
G****l w*****g computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year
Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing
The Western ice sheet of Antarcticia is in decline as are the Arctic ice sheet and all land ice on all continents. The only area of increase is sea ice in Antarctica and this is attributed to wind generated by the ozone hole over Antarctica not by an decrease in global ambient temperature.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/antarctic-ice-melt
Jul 7, 2014 19:39:56 #
Caboose wrote:
This whole c*****e c****e/g****l w*****g is only lies and always has been. Its all about taxing americans.
Why does government need a reason to tax Americans?
Jul 7, 2014 20:00:22 #
PeterS wrote:
Why does government need a reason to tax Americans?
A new tax must be found to sustain the various programs. :D :lol: :thumbdown:
Jul 7, 2014 20:02:01 #
AuntiE wrote:
A new tax must be found to sustain the various programs. :D :lol: :thumbdown:
So raise existing taxes. Much easier than trying to pass a new tax...
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