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May 1, 2020 10:17:12   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s


On February 10 the stock markets were at all-time highs, with the Dow 30 at almost 30,000. The unemployment rate was at an all-time low and interest rates around most of the world were at all-time lows.

With interest rates near zero for an entire decade, the value of stocks, bonds, real estate, land, and virtually any asset was artificially inflated. As a result, total household net worth doubled, increasing from $60 trillion to $120 trillion!

People were saying that things were too good to be true. Everything from giggling about personal finances at the gym to people embarking on unlikely business projects, and business owners being shocked when told it would not last, and even record-breaking skyscrapers. Things were too good to be true.

Now the popular refrain is that the c****av***s caused the economy to collapse. The government shut down the economy, putting people out of work. so there has been less consumption. Whole industries have been shuttered. The unemployment rate has skyrocketed, increasing by more than 10 percent in the last couple of weeks.

It is easy to see how politicians, the media, and even real people see this c****av***s situation as causing the economic collapse. A caused B. This in turn created the supposed need for trillions of dollars in subsidies, bailouts, and unemployment benefits. Plus the Federal Reserve would have to inject many more trillions of dollars to bail out every aspect of the financial industry including junk bonds and student loans.
All of this is false in the sense that A did not cause B. A, the c****av***s, did not cause B, the economic crisis; it merely triggered it, causing it to occur earlier than it would have. It may have also accelerated the collapse, and will likely deepen the trough of the crisis in business cycle terms.

In other words, the economy was weak, not strong. The fundamentals were weak, not strong. Balance sheets were weak, not strong.

This weakness could be clearly seen when President Trump began to publicly attack Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell for raising interest rates by 2 percent, which he rightly thought would hurt the stock market and his ree******n chances.

The stock market thrived when interest rates were negative when adjusted for price inflation. However, when Powell pushed the inflation-adjusted rate to near zero, stock markets stalled and all political hell broke loose.

Let's get back to the economic fundaments prior to the c****av***s. We are all consumers, so, starting with the consumer we find that, as a whole, consumers had a great deal of debt and not much in the way of savings.

There was certainly an effort to increase savings after the housing bubble crisis. The personal savings rate, which had fallen to 2 percent before the previous crisis (the housing bubble), had now risen to 7 percent but was still well below the 10+ percent that was normal when we on the gold standard.

The main villains behind a depressed savings rate are inflation and taxation on interest income. One-third of American households have zero savings and 60 percent have less than $1000. In effect, the Fed and the Treasury have needlessly put millions of households at risk.

Consumer debt is now more than double the amount prior to the last crisis, student loans are now more than $1.6 trillion, and the combined consumer credit of households and nonprofits is over $4 trillion. And, of course, this debt is not evenly distributed across the population, as some people have enormous debts relative to their ability to pay and some have none.

Before the v***s, the labor market was also a mess despite a record low unemployment rate. There were millions of jobs that were going unfilled and millions of college graduates who could not get jobs in their desired fields, but who were instead working as waiters and bartenders and living at home. One of the biggest villains here is student loans, which encourage too many teens into college and put them on unproductive career paths.

The other big factor distorting the labor market is the Fed and its monetary policy. The unpreceded decade-long zero interest rate policy has caused a massive business cycle. Here, by artificially causing malinvestments, the Fed changed what types of jobs are in high demand and distorted income distribution as well.
In general, the Fed's interest policy has increased the demand for very highly sk**led workers such as electrical engineers, biochemists, and patent attorneys with graduate degrees. The increased demand for these types of labor has increased wages and distorted the distribution of incomes.

These types of workers are necessary to produce such things as new iPhones, software platforms, computer chips, and pharmaceuticals, all of which require a significant amount of work by patent attorneys.

Another way to view the distortions in the labor market is to take note of the number of job openings. In December 2019 the number of openings was 7.3 million, the highest number since it began to be counted in 2000. One of the reasons I suspected an economic crisis was around the corner was that this number stopped climbing and began to fall noticeably before it recently plummeted.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates had been 41 percent and about one-third of all college graduates are underemployed, meaning that their job does not require a college degree. Remember, total student loan debt has skyrocketed to $1.6 trillion. These are all signs of a badly distorted labor market.

The too much debt/too little savings distortion can also apply to businesses and corporations, especially financial institutions. Some corporations have plenty of cash, such as Apple. It was so flush with cash that they started giving dividends to their shareholders.

But more telling is the problem of corporations using cash to buy back shares in their own company instead of investing in productivity. Another was the recent wave of mergers and acquisitions. Apparently, the Fed's zero interest rate policy has driven the marginal return of capital so close to zero that corporations have resorted to these types of financial manipulations in an attempt to increase profits.

In summary, despite stellar numbers in the stock market and an all-time low unemployment rate, the US economy was already headed for an economic crisis. Prior to this economic crisis, we could clearly see that many consumers could barely pay their bills and had virtually no savings to rely on. The labor market was also badly distorted, with highly sk**led markets booming, a record number of job openings, and massive numbers of recent college students unemployed or underemployed. Finally, the corporate market was also distorted, with firms using atypical financial manipulations such as share buybacks and mergers to increase profits. The v***l p******c merely triggered or revealed what was ultimately going to happen.

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May 1, 2020 10:22:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Capt-jack wrote:
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s


On February 10 the stock markets were at all-time highs, with the Dow 30 at almost 30,000. The unemployment rate was at an all-time low and interest rates around most of the world were at all-time lows.

With interest rates near zero for an entire decade, the value of stocks, bonds, real estate, land, and virtually any asset was artificially inflated. As a result, total household net worth doubled, increasing from $60 trillion to $120 trillion!

People were saying that things were too good to be true. Everything from giggling about personal finances at the gym to people embarking on unlikely business projects, and business owners being shocked when told it would not last, and even record-breaking skyscrapers. Things were too good to be true.

Now the popular refrain is that the c****av***s caused the economy to collapse. The government shut down the economy, putting people out of work. so there has been less consumption. Whole industries have been shuttered. The unemployment rate has skyrocketed, increasing by more than 10 percent in the last couple of weeks.

It is easy to see how politicians, the media, and even real people see this c****av***s situation as causing the economic collapse. A caused B. This in turn created the supposed need for trillions of dollars in subsidies, bailouts, and unemployment benefits. Plus the Federal Reserve would have to inject many more trillions of dollars to bail out every aspect of the financial industry including junk bonds and student loans.
All of this is false in the sense that A did not cause B. A, the c****av***s, did not cause B, the economic crisis; it merely triggered it, causing it to occur earlier than it would have. It may have also accelerated the collapse, and will likely deepen the trough of the crisis in business cycle terms.

In other words, the economy was weak, not strong. The fundamentals were weak, not strong. Balance sheets were weak, not strong.

This weakness could be clearly seen when President Trump began to publicly attack Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell for raising interest rates by 2 percent, which he rightly thought would hurt the stock market and his ree******n chances.

The stock market thrived when interest rates were negative when adjusted for price inflation. However, when Powell pushed the inflation-adjusted rate to near zero, stock markets stalled and all political hell broke loose.

Let's get back to the economic fundaments prior to the c****av***s. We are all consumers, so, starting with the consumer we find that, as a whole, consumers had a great deal of debt and not much in the way of savings.

There was certainly an effort to increase savings after the housing bubble crisis. The personal savings rate, which had fallen to 2 percent before the previous crisis (the housing bubble), had now risen to 7 percent but was still well below the 10+ percent that was normal when we on the gold standard.

The main villains behind a depressed savings rate are inflation and taxation on interest income. One-third of American households have zero savings and 60 percent have less than $1000. In effect, the Fed and the Treasury have needlessly put millions of households at risk.

Consumer debt is now more than double the amount prior to the last crisis, student loans are now more than $1.6 trillion, and the combined consumer credit of households and nonprofits is over $4 trillion. And, of course, this debt is not evenly distributed across the population, as some people have enormous debts relative to their ability to pay and some have none.

Before the v***s, the labor market was also a mess despite a record low unemployment rate. There were millions of jobs that were going unfilled and millions of college graduates who could not get jobs in their desired fields, but who were instead working as waiters and bartenders and living at home. One of the biggest villains here is student loans, which encourage too many teens into college and put them on unproductive career paths.

The other big factor distorting the labor market is the Fed and its monetary policy. The unpreceded decade-long zero interest rate policy has caused a massive business cycle. Here, by artificially causing malinvestments, the Fed changed what types of jobs are in high demand and distorted income distribution as well.
In general, the Fed's interest policy has increased the demand for very highly sk**led workers such as electrical engineers, biochemists, and patent attorneys with graduate degrees. The increased demand for these types of labor has increased wages and distorted the distribution of incomes.

These types of workers are necessary to produce such things as new iPhones, software platforms, computer chips, and pharmaceuticals, all of which require a significant amount of work by patent attorneys.

Another way to view the distortions in the labor market is to take note of the number of job openings. In December 2019 the number of openings was 7.3 million, the highest number since it began to be counted in 2000. One of the reasons I suspected an economic crisis was around the corner was that this number stopped climbing and began to fall noticeably before it recently plummeted.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates had been 41 percent and about one-third of all college graduates are underemployed, meaning that their job does not require a college degree. Remember, total student loan debt has skyrocketed to $1.6 trillion. These are all signs of a badly distorted labor market.

The too much debt/too little savings distortion can also apply to businesses and corporations, especially financial institutions. Some corporations have plenty of cash, such as Apple. It was so flush with cash that they started giving dividends to their shareholders.

But more telling is the problem of corporations using cash to buy back shares in their own company instead of investing in productivity. Another was the recent wave of mergers and acquisitions. Apparently, the Fed's zero interest rate policy has driven the marginal return of capital so close to zero that corporations have resorted to these types of financial manipulations in an attempt to increase profits.

In summary, despite stellar numbers in the stock market and an all-time low unemployment rate, the US economy was already headed for an economic crisis. Prior to this economic crisis, we could clearly see that many consumers could barely pay their bills and had virtually no savings to rely on. The labor market was also badly distorted, with highly sk**led markets booming, a record number of job openings, and massive numbers of recent college students unemployed or underemployed. Finally, the corporate market was also distorted, with firms using atypical financial manipulations such as share buybacks and mergers to increase profits. The v***l p******c merely triggered or revealed what was ultimately going to happen.
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s br br br On F... (show quote)


Great article....

Where'd it come from?

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May 1, 2020 10:31:27   #
BBZ Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Great article....

Where'd it come from?


It appears to be written by Mark Thornton. https://mises.org/wire/bust-wasnt-caused-v***s

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May 1, 2020 10:36:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
BBZ wrote:
It appears to be written by Mark Thornton. https://mises.org/wire/bust-wasnt-caused-v***s


Appreciation

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May 1, 2020 11:03:39   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Appreciation


Here is another one for you to ponder, CD.
https://maalamalama.com/wordpress/the-biggest-risk-that-exists-in-the-global-financial-system-that-no-one-is-discussing-/03/04/skwealthacademy

The Biggest Risk that Exists in the Global Financial System that No One is Discussing, Part 1
by J. Kim

.... and if you are not thoroughly depressed after reading part 1, check out his Part 2 of sorts:
https://maalamalama.com/wordpress/real-reasons-behind-global-p******c-lockdown-/28/04/skwealthacademy

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May 1, 2020 11:07:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Capt-jack wrote:
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s


On February 10 the stock markets were at all-time highs, with the Dow 30 at almost 30,000. The unemployment rate was at an all-time low and interest rates around most of the world were at all-time lows.

With interest rates near zero for an entire decade, the value of stocks, bonds, real estate, land, and virtually any asset was artificially inflated. As a result, total household net worth doubled, increasing from $60 trillion to $120 trillion!

People were saying that things were too good to be true. Everything from giggling about personal finances at the gym to people embarking on unlikely business projects, and business owners being shocked when told it would not last, and even record-breaking skyscrapers. Things were too good to be true.

Now the popular refrain is that the c****av***s caused the economy to collapse. The government shut down the economy, putting people out of work. so there has been less consumption. Whole industries have been shuttered. The unemployment rate has skyrocketed, increasing by more than 10 percent in the last couple of weeks.

It is easy to see how politicians, the media, and even real people see this c****av***s situation as causing the economic collapse. A caused B. This in turn created the supposed need for trillions of dollars in subsidies, bailouts, and unemployment benefits. Plus the Federal Reserve would have to inject many more trillions of dollars to bail out every aspect of the financial industry including junk bonds and student loans.
All of this is false in the sense that A did not cause B. A, the c****av***s, did not cause B, the economic crisis; it merely triggered it, causing it to occur earlier than it would have. It may have also accelerated the collapse, and will likely deepen the trough of the crisis in business cycle terms.

In other words, the economy was weak, not strong. The fundamentals were weak, not strong. Balance sheets were weak, not strong.

This weakness could be clearly seen when President Trump began to publicly attack Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell for raising interest rates by 2 percent, which he rightly thought would hurt the stock market and his ree******n chances.

The stock market thrived when interest rates were negative when adjusted for price inflation. However, when Powell pushed the inflation-adjusted rate to near zero, stock markets stalled and all political hell broke loose.

Let's get back to the economic fundaments prior to the c****av***s. We are all consumers, so, starting with the consumer we find that, as a whole, consumers had a great deal of debt and not much in the way of savings.

There was certainly an effort to increase savings after the housing bubble crisis. The personal savings rate, which had fallen to 2 percent before the previous crisis (the housing bubble), had now risen to 7 percent but was still well below the 10+ percent that was normal when we on the gold standard.

The main villains behind a depressed savings rate are inflation and taxation on interest income. One-third of American households have zero savings and 60 percent have less than $1000. In effect, the Fed and the Treasury have needlessly put millions of households at risk.

Consumer debt is now more than double the amount prior to the last crisis, student loans are now more than $1.6 trillion, and the combined consumer credit of households and nonprofits is over $4 trillion. And, of course, this debt is not evenly distributed across the population, as some people have enormous debts relative to their ability to pay and some have none.

Before the v***s, the labor market was also a mess despite a record low unemployment rate. There were millions of jobs that were going unfilled and millions of college graduates who could not get jobs in their desired fields, but who were instead working as waiters and bartenders and living at home. One of the biggest villains here is student loans, which encourage too many teens into college and put them on unproductive career paths.

The other big factor distorting the labor market is the Fed and its monetary policy. The unpreceded decade-long zero interest rate policy has caused a massive business cycle. Here, by artificially causing malinvestments, the Fed changed what types of jobs are in high demand and distorted income distribution as well.
In general, the Fed's interest policy has increased the demand for very highly sk**led workers such as electrical engineers, biochemists, and patent attorneys with graduate degrees. The increased demand for these types of labor has increased wages and distorted the distribution of incomes.

These types of workers are necessary to produce such things as new iPhones, software platforms, computer chips, and pharmaceuticals, all of which require a significant amount of work by patent attorneys.

Another way to view the distortions in the labor market is to take note of the number of job openings. In December 2019 the number of openings was 7.3 million, the highest number since it began to be counted in 2000. One of the reasons I suspected an economic crisis was around the corner was that this number stopped climbing and began to fall noticeably before it recently plummeted.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates had been 41 percent and about one-third of all college graduates are underemployed, meaning that their job does not require a college degree. Remember, total student loan debt has skyrocketed to $1.6 trillion. These are all signs of a badly distorted labor market.

The too much debt/too little savings distortion can also apply to businesses and corporations, especially financial institutions. Some corporations have plenty of cash, such as Apple. It was so flush with cash that they started giving dividends to their shareholders.

But more telling is the problem of corporations using cash to buy back shares in their own company instead of investing in productivity. Another was the recent wave of mergers and acquisitions. Apparently, the Fed's zero interest rate policy has driven the marginal return of capital so close to zero that corporations have resorted to these types of financial manipulations in an attempt to increase profits.

In summary, despite stellar numbers in the stock market and an all-time low unemployment rate, the US economy was already headed for an economic crisis. Prior to this economic crisis, we could clearly see that many consumers could barely pay their bills and had virtually no savings to rely on. The labor market was also badly distorted, with highly sk**led markets booming, a record number of job openings, and massive numbers of recent college students unemployed or underemployed. Finally, the corporate market was also distorted, with firms using atypical financial manipulations such as share buybacks and mergers to increase profits. The v***l p******c merely triggered or revealed what was ultimately going to happen.
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s br br br On F... (show quote)


The stock market is a gambling divide, nothing more. If a fly farts in N Korea, the market reacts with the players hoping to profit by it's ups and downs. It is a sad thing that we have placed the value of so much on such an enigmatic thing.

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May 1, 2020 11:15:38   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Capt-jack wrote:
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s


On February 10 the stock markets were at all-time highs, with the Dow 30 at almost 30,000. The unemployment rate was at an all-time low and interest rates around most of the world were at all-time lows.

With interest rates near zero for an entire decade, the value of stocks, bonds, real estate, land, and virtually any asset was artificially inflated. As a result, total household net worth doubled, increasing from $60 trillion to $120 trillion!

People were saying that things were too good to be true. Everything from giggling about personal finances at the gym to people embarking on unlikely business projects, and business owners being shocked when told it would not last, and even record-breaking skyscrapers. Things were too good to be true.

Now the popular refrain is that the c****av***s caused the economy to collapse. The government shut down the economy, putting people out of work. so there has been less consumption. Whole industries have been shuttered. The unemployment rate has skyrocketed, increasing by more than 10 percent in the last couple of weeks.

It is easy to see how politicians, the media, and even real people see this c****av***s situation as causing the economic collapse. A caused B. This in turn created the supposed need for trillions of dollars in subsidies, bailouts, and unemployment benefits. Plus the Federal Reserve would have to inject many more trillions of dollars to bail out every aspect of the financial industry including junk bonds and student loans.
All of this is false in the sense that A did not cause B. A, the c****av***s, did not cause B, the economic crisis; it merely triggered it, causing it to occur earlier than it would have. It may have also accelerated the collapse, and will likely deepen the trough of the crisis in business cycle terms.

In other words, the economy was weak, not strong. The fundamentals were weak, not strong. Balance sheets were weak, not strong.

This weakness could be clearly seen when President Trump began to publicly attack Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell for raising interest rates by 2 percent, which he rightly thought would hurt the stock market and his ree******n chances.

The stock market thrived when interest rates were negative when adjusted for price inflation. However, when Powell pushed the inflation-adjusted rate to near zero, stock markets stalled and all political hell broke loose.

Let's get back to the economic fundaments prior to the c****av***s. We are all consumers, so, starting with the consumer we find that, as a whole, consumers had a great deal of debt and not much in the way of savings.

There was certainly an effort to increase savings after the housing bubble crisis. The personal savings rate, which had fallen to 2 percent before the previous crisis (the housing bubble), had now risen to 7 percent but was still well below the 10+ percent that was normal when we on the gold standard.

The main villains behind a depressed savings rate are inflation and taxation on interest income. One-third of American households have zero savings and 60 percent have less than $1000. In effect, the Fed and the Treasury have needlessly put millions of households at risk.

Consumer debt is now more than double the amount prior to the last crisis, student loans are now more than $1.6 trillion, and the combined consumer credit of households and nonprofits is over $4 trillion. And, of course, this debt is not evenly distributed across the population, as some people have enormous debts relative to their ability to pay and some have none.

Before the v***s, the labor market was also a mess despite a record low unemployment rate. There were millions of jobs that were going unfilled and millions of college graduates who could not get jobs in their desired fields, but who were instead working as waiters and bartenders and living at home. One of the biggest villains here is student loans, which encourage too many teens into college and put them on unproductive career paths.

The other big factor distorting the labor market is the Fed and its monetary policy. The unpreceded decade-long zero interest rate policy has caused a massive business cycle. Here, by artificially causing malinvestments, the Fed changed what types of jobs are in high demand and distorted income distribution as well.
In general, the Fed's interest policy has increased the demand for very highly sk**led workers such as electrical engineers, biochemists, and patent attorneys with graduate degrees. The increased demand for these types of labor has increased wages and distorted the distribution of incomes.

These types of workers are necessary to produce such things as new iPhones, software platforms, computer chips, and pharmaceuticals, all of which require a significant amount of work by patent attorneys.

Another way to view the distortions in the labor market is to take note of the number of job openings. In December 2019 the number of openings was 7.3 million, the highest number since it began to be counted in 2000. One of the reasons I suspected an economic crisis was around the corner was that this number stopped climbing and began to fall noticeably before it recently plummeted.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates had been 41 percent and about one-third of all college graduates are underemployed, meaning that their job does not require a college degree. Remember, total student loan debt has skyrocketed to $1.6 trillion. These are all signs of a badly distorted labor market.

The too much debt/too little savings distortion can also apply to businesses and corporations, especially financial institutions. Some corporations have plenty of cash, such as Apple. It was so flush with cash that they started giving dividends to their shareholders.

But more telling is the problem of corporations using cash to buy back shares in their own company instead of investing in productivity. Another was the recent wave of mergers and acquisitions. Apparently, the Fed's zero interest rate policy has driven the marginal return of capital so close to zero that corporations have resorted to these types of financial manipulations in an attempt to increase profits.

In summary, despite stellar numbers in the stock market and an all-time low unemployment rate, the US economy was already headed for an economic crisis. Prior to this economic crisis, we could clearly see that many consumers could barely pay their bills and had virtually no savings to rely on. The labor market was also badly distorted, with highly sk**led markets booming, a record number of job openings, and massive numbers of recent college students unemployed or underemployed. Finally, the corporate market was also distorted, with firms using atypical financial manipulations such as share buybacks and mergers to increase profits. The v***l p******c merely triggered or revealed what was ultimately going to happen.
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s br br br On F... (show quote)





This makes a lot of sense. One thing I disagree with is the severity of the economic crisis.
It seems to me that when the economy is doing great, there is always a breaking point where the market falls flat and we have a recession. Then, we slowly start to climb back up until we can breath easy again, and then it happens all over , time and time again.
So, we would have had a economic crisis no matter the v***s. I just don't see 30,000,000 plus workers out of work without the v***s. That number is worse than the Great Depression, where people starved to death. Many would have lost their job when the camel's back broke, but surely not 30,000,000!

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May 1, 2020 11:29:20   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Capt-jack wrote:
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s


On February 10 the stock markets were at all-time highs, with the Dow 30 at almost 30,000. The unemployment rate was at an all-time low and interest rates around most of the world were at all-time lows.

With interest rates near zero for an entire decade, the value of stocks, bonds, real estate, land, and virtually any asset was artificially inflated. As a result, total household net worth doubled, increasing from $60 trillion to $120 trillion!

People were saying that things were too good to be true. Everything from giggling about personal finances at the gym to people embarking on unlikely business projects, and business owners being shocked when told it would not last, and even record-breaking skyscrapers. Things were too good to be true.

Now the popular refrain is that the c****av***s caused the economy to collapse. The government shut down the economy, putting people out of work. so there has been less consumption. Whole industries have been shuttered. The unemployment rate has skyrocketed, increasing by more than 10 percent in the last couple of weeks.

It is easy to see how politicians, the media, and even real people see this c****av***s situation as causing the economic collapse. A caused B. This in turn created the supposed need for trillions of dollars in subsidies, bailouts, and unemployment benefits. Plus the Federal Reserve would have to inject many more trillions of dollars to bail out every aspect of the financial industry including junk bonds and student loans.
All of this is false in the sense that A did not cause B. A, the c****av***s, did not cause B, the economic crisis; it merely triggered it, causing it to occur earlier than it would have. It may have also accelerated the collapse, and will likely deepen the trough of the crisis in business cycle terms.

In other words, the economy was weak, not strong. The fundamentals were weak, not strong. Balance sheets were weak, not strong.

This weakness could be clearly seen when President Trump began to publicly attack Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell for raising interest rates by 2 percent, which he rightly thought would hurt the stock market and his ree******n chances.

The stock market thrived when interest rates were negative when adjusted for price inflation. However, when Powell pushed the inflation-adjusted rate to near zero, stock markets stalled and all political hell broke loose.

Let's get back to the economic fundaments prior to the c****av***s. We are all consumers, so, starting with the consumer we find that, as a whole, consumers had a great deal of debt and not much in the way of savings.

There was certainly an effort to increase savings after the housing bubble crisis. The personal savings rate, which had fallen to 2 percent before the previous crisis (the housing bubble), had now risen to 7 percent but was still well below the 10+ percent that was normal when we on the gold standard.

The main villains behind a depressed savings rate are inflation and taxation on interest income. One-third of American households have zero savings and 60 percent have less than $1000. In effect, the Fed and the Treasury have needlessly put millions of households at risk.

Consumer debt is now more than double the amount prior to the last crisis, student loans are now more than $1.6 trillion, and the combined consumer credit of households and nonprofits is over $4 trillion. And, of course, this debt is not evenly distributed across the population, as some people have enormous debts relative to their ability to pay and some have none.

Before the v***s, the labor market was also a mess despite a record low unemployment rate. There were millions of jobs that were going unfilled and millions of college graduates who could not get jobs in their desired fields, but who were instead working as waiters and bartenders and living at home. One of the biggest villains here is student loans, which encourage too many teens into college and put them on unproductive career paths.

The other big factor distorting the labor market is the Fed and its monetary policy. The unpreceded decade-long zero interest rate policy has caused a massive business cycle. Here, by artificially causing malinvestments, the Fed changed what types of jobs are in high demand and distorted income distribution as well.
In general, the Fed's interest policy has increased the demand for very highly sk**led workers such as electrical engineers, biochemists, and patent attorneys with graduate degrees. The increased demand for these types of labor has increased wages and distorted the distribution of incomes.

These types of workers are necessary to produce such things as new iPhones, software platforms, computer chips, and pharmaceuticals, all of which require a significant amount of work by patent attorneys.

Another way to view the distortions in the labor market is to take note of the number of job openings. In December 2019 the number of openings was 7.3 million, the highest number since it began to be counted in 2000. One of the reasons I suspected an economic crisis was around the corner was that this number stopped climbing and began to fall noticeably before it recently plummeted.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates had been 41 percent and about one-third of all college graduates are underemployed, meaning that their job does not require a college degree. Remember, total student loan debt has skyrocketed to $1.6 trillion. These are all signs of a badly distorted labor market.

The too much debt/too little savings distortion can also apply to businesses and corporations, especially financial institutions. Some corporations have plenty of cash, such as Apple. It was so flush with cash that they started giving dividends to their shareholders.

But more telling is the problem of corporations using cash to buy back shares in their own company instead of investing in productivity. Another was the recent wave of mergers and acquisitions. Apparently, the Fed's zero interest rate policy has driven the marginal return of capital so close to zero that corporations have resorted to these types of financial manipulations in an attempt to increase profits.

In summary, despite stellar numbers in the stock market and an all-time low unemployment rate, the US economy was already headed for an economic crisis. Prior to this economic crisis, we could clearly see that many consumers could barely pay their bills and had virtually no savings to rely on. The labor market was also badly distorted, with highly sk**led markets booming, a record number of job openings, and massive numbers of recent college students unemployed or underemployed. Finally, the corporate market was also distorted, with firms using atypical financial manipulations such as share buybacks and mergers to increase profits. The v***l p******c merely triggered or revealed what was ultimately going to happen.
This Bust Wasn't Caused by a V***s br br br On F... (show quote)


I have to give you credit, that's some interesting stuff. Quit frightening, I worry that the country is on the precipice of disaster, but I hope not.
Again a great posting.

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May 1, 2020 11:36:46   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The stock market is a gambling divide, nothing more. If a fly farts in N Korea, the market reacts with the players hoping to profit by it's ups and downs. It is a sad thing that we have placed the value of so much on such an enigmatic thing.


Not sure if I agree. Company A has an idea requiring capital. They pitch their idea to person B with the promise that in return for capital, they will reward person B with so many shares of company A. Who on this blog site wouldn't haven't purchased Netflix, Amazon, Apple, or Microsoft back in the day? I remember the articles saying what to invest in Amazon, it was such a money pit. Lol at these stocks now. So no, I don't agree with you. Not gambling like the casinos.

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May 1, 2020 12:12:29   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Not sure if I agree. Company A has an idea requiring capital. They pitch their idea to person B with the promise that in return for capital, they will reward person B with so many shares of company A. Who on this blog site wouldn't haven't purchased Netflix, Amazon, Apple, or Microsoft back in the day? I remember the articles saying what to invest in Amazon, it was such a money pit. Lol at these stocks now. So no, I don't agree with you. Not gambling like the casinos.


There is such thing as intelligent gambling. Even in the casinos, I can go in and on any given weekend go home with an extra thousand or two, most times. It's the same on the stock market. There is even more c***ting on the stock market. Insider trading, etc.

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May 1, 2020 20:20:06   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
There is such thing as intelligent gambling. Even in the casinos, I can go in and on any given weekend go home with an extra thousand or two, most times. It's the same on the stock market. There is even more c***ting on the stock market. Insider trading, etc.


Very true...especially for the politicians.

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May 2, 2020 10:46:50   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The stock market is a gambling divide, nothing more. If a fly farts in N Korea, the market reacts with the players hoping to profit by it's ups and downs. It is a sad thing that we have placed the value of so much on such an enigmatic thing.


So, you want a guarantee in life! lol, good luck, or maybe a guaranteed income!
If Corp. America fails there will be zip. The DOW has increased over $10,000 since Trump became our leader.
No man in the history of this country has caused that. Take note the day Trump took office the market went up $700.00.
If you check on what you can get for putting your money into any investment that is if you have any you will see you get interests like 1% or less in a bank.
Do you think Bill Gates took a gamble starting Microsoft? Yes, he did. Henry Ford went bankrupt 3 or 4 times before he made it. Like is a gamble, your heart may stop any second now.

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May 2, 2020 10:54:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Capt-jack wrote:
So, you want a guarantee in life! lol, good luck, or maybe a guaranteed income!
If Corp. America fails there will be zip. The DOW has increased over $10,000 since Trump became our leader.
No man in the history of this country has caused that. Take note the day Trump took office the market went up $700.00.
If you check on what you can get for putting your money into any investment that is if you have any you will see you get interests like 1% or less in a bank.
Do you think Bill Gates took a gamble starting Microsoft? Yes, he did. Henry Ford went bankrupt 3 or 4 times before he made it. Like is a gamble, your heart may stop any second now.
So, you want a guarantee in life! lol, good luck, ... (show quote)


Gates and Ford's gambles are not the same as gambling whether too buy a stock to make money on it if it increases in value. Trump didn't gamble, he gave a big tax cut and businesses thrived on it, thus their stocks rose in value. Again, not the same as gambling on a stock price.

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May 2, 2020 16:30:21   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Appreciation


Personally I don't take assumption to heart we will never know how long the economy would have held but I do know this v***s and the whole thing is making the democratic congress giddy with joy and they keep screaming to keep the country shut down. Kinda makes u wonder, doesn't it ????? Something to think about

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May 2, 2020 18:24:14   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
bggamers wrote:
Personally I don't take assumption to heart we will never know how long the economy would have held but I do know this v***s and the whole thing is making the democratic congress giddy with joy and they keep screaming to keep the country shut down. Kinda makes u wonder, doesn't it ????? Something to think about
Personally I don't take assumption to heart we wil... (show quote)


Here's something else to think about. Without adequate testing, the number of infected persons is a large unknown. Since those sick don't exhibit any symptoms, community spread will run rampant of things open to soon. Have you seen anything to make you feel the democrats are jumping for joy?

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