Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

American stats...
Infected: 1,095,000
Recovered: 152,000
Dead: 64,000

Rate of recovery: 14%
Percentage of dead: 5.8%
Yet to be determined: 80.2%

Ratio of recovered vs dead: 2.3:1

Stats taken from https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/

mgershowitz

I can’t believe someone would actually write something so short-sighted and ignorant:
1.) Why would Trump stay closely aligned with people who’s sole intent is to undermine him? Do you honestly think he’s stupid?
2.) How can anyone be so absolutely intolerant to the slightest differences in opinion? Do faux feelings of intellectual superiority excuse completely dismissing alternate opinions as unworthy?

mgershowitz

Your vague answer proves beyond any shadow of doubt w/C****-** we’re dealing with some highly lethal unknowns worthy of really slow, careful thinking. Rushing things back open too soon is selfishly putting economic self-interest above the lives of innocent people, whether senior citizens (or not).

GoCubs Loc: Earth

What do you need money for if you are dead?

Navigator

Data at this point is quite insufficient and some of your calculations are meaningless, for example, basing the rate of recovery on the quotient of number of recovered divided by the number of infected. First of all, at least 98% of those listed as infected will eventually be listed as recovered and it is likely that the actual number of people actually infected in the US is between 10 and 50 million; same with the % dead. We will know a lot more by August.

GoCubs Loc: Earth

Great post.

GoCubs Loc: Earth

Exactly.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I agree that data is insufficient... But we need to base calculations on numbers known, not numbers suspected or hoped for...

There is no indication that 98% of the infected will recover... China shows that 5.6% of infected ultimately died... With many other nations showing higher numbers...

That is not including those that suffered long-term or permanent side effects from the infection (somewhere between 5-20% of the recovered)...

And I was merely showing the current ratio of recovery to death... It's an important number...

I'm not sure where the 10-50 million infected number comes from... But due to the lack of testing, I agree that the number of infected iz almost certainly higher than what is being reported...

Perhaps that should be rectified before major decisions like loosening the guidelines are made???

Navigator

Here is the rub; going back to work puts almost nobody at risk who is still young enough to be working. Of the 60 something thousand C***d deaths only about 3000 were of people under 45. Taking the current around a million deaths, that is a death rate of 0.3%, a little worse than the flu. Since the one million is likely a significant undercount of the actual number of infections, the rate of death in those under 55 is most likely less than the annual flu. At the same time suicide and domestic violence is skyrocketing; time to get back to work.

Mikeyavelli

This Pelosi V***s is as big a h**x as the Virgin Birth of Obama and C*****e C****e.
All bullnadler.

GoCubs Loc: Earth

Thanks for putting your fellow man at further risk by downplaying this deadly disease that intelligent people are taking seriously. How much money do you need when you are dead?

GoCubs Loc: Earth

Genius! A true wordsmith in our midst.

Mikeyavelli

Depends if you are a kommiecrat or a republican.
The government will still support a dead kommiecrat, as long as the dead kommiecrat v**es.

Navigator

The reference below indicates the death rate is about 1%; more recent briefings indicate a lower rate even with what is most likely highly under detected numbers of infections. I don't have to remind you that China's numbers are incredibly unreliable. The 10-50 million number comes from two antibody surveys in California and one in NY that indicated between 5% and 15% of the population has already been infected and recovered from C****-**; that would make between 16 and 50 million cases in the US. One other thing; the dead to recovered is the OPPOSITE of a useful number. The number recovered is a highly lagging number as people aren't reported as actually recovering for 6-8 weeks after they are infected while they usually die within 2 weeks. Right now there are about 3.3 million reported infections world wide, 233 thousand dead and about one million recovered. That leaves about 2.1 million in limbo. Even using China's distorted number of about 5% dead that means 2 million of those people will eventually recover and 100 thousand will die, giving a more realistic rate of recovery to dead of 10/1, not 3/2. We will not have really reliable numbers for about 3 months, maybe longer. Keeping the economy shut down for another three months would be much worse than sending a largely low risk (young) workforce back to work; in fact, IMHO it would be catastrophic

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/13/study-c****av***s-fatality-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/

Rose42

I am not a Trump supporter. This is all far bigger than him. Pay attention to whats going on.