ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

V**e by mail is a very dangerous idea
I fancy myself as a bit of an expert on e******n f***d – at least a knowledgeable person. On two occasions, I was involved with civic organizations that fought against f**grant v**e f***d in Chicago. I have seen every trick in the book – and it is a thick book. Chicago was a good place to learn because the Democrat machine was the state-of-the-art in stealing e******ns. I experienced it personally when I ran in the Republican primary for Mayor of Chicago because 42 percent of the GOP v**es for mayor evaporated – but that is a story for another time.

I was able to delay the use of punch cards by demonstrating to then-Mayor Jane Byrne how easy it was to cast fraudulent b****ts or easily destroy b****ts – or make them just disappear. E******n f***d was so rampant in the major Democrat precincts that more than once we had to have federal marshals come to Chicago to serve as polling place monitors. It was commonly believed that the Chicago machine could “flip” 100,000 v**es without breaking into a sweat.

You may have heard one of the great liberal lies – what my grandfather would call “a whopper” before Burger King stole the term. They claim that there is no such thing as v**e f***d. Never happens. It is just a myth. So sayeth people like Democrat National Chairman Tom Perez and CNN personality Chris Cuomo.

That is one of the traits of authoritarians – the audacious lies. Chinese President Xi Jinping, Russian President Vladimir Putin and even North Korean god-king Kim Jong-un claim they are the product of free e******ns.

There are certain things one must understand about e******n f***d.

It is most prevalent in major cities where Democrats exert essentially one-party rule.
It is very difficult to detect – especially when one party does the monitoring.
It is very difficult to successfully prosecute v**e f***d when the ruling party controls the prosecutorial offices and the courts.
That some v****g policies and procedures are more vulnerable to fraud than others.
The safest and most honest e******ns occur when v**ers are required to personally appear – with a picture ID — at a polling place that is monitored by legitimate representatives of both major parties – and even third parties. I use the word “legitimate” because too many polling places in urban centers are monitored by Democrats and Democrats taking on the legally designated Republican positions.

That is where v**e-by-mail comes in. Even when mailing a b****t was limited to a very few “absentee” v**ers – and when it was illegal to use that option without good cause (infirmity, business travel and military service) – the most serious standardized e******n abuses were with those absentee b****ts.

That is because those b****ts can be easily intercepted going to the v**er and coming from the v**er. They can then travel outside and protective guardrails. Nursing homes were particularly vulnerable because Democrat precinct hacks round up requests for b****ts from the residents and receive them when the actual b****ts arrived. In many cases, the political operative would fill out the b****t and send it in.

Such b****ts would be cast by people with a mental incapacity to make sound judgments. Some residents would not even know that they v**ed. And of course, having died was no barrier to v****g. It is arguable that limited absentee b****ting – even though more vulnerable to political mischief – has a greater upside than downside. But expanding the practice – with its vulnerability – to the widest scale puts our entire e******ns in the hands of political manipulators – crooks.

V****g the dead is standard operating procedure. That is why you see such reluctance by Democrat officials to purge the rolls of dead people – or even people who moved away. To the political machines, those folks are still potential v**ers.

President Trump said that if we had v**e-by-mail Republicans would not win future e******ns. Of course, he exaggerates. But it is true that the beneficiary of v**e f***d was … and is … the Democratic Party. Hell, it is widely accepted that President Kennedy was elected President of the United States because of massive v**e f***d by the Daley machine in Chicago and the Lyndon Johnson machine in Texas. If the v**es in those states had been counted honestly, Kennedy would not have been elected. If political chicanery can flip a p**********l e******n, you can imagine how easy it is to steal some local office.

Early v****g is not a terribly good idea for a lot of reasons, but at least folks have to show up. The key to preventing v**e stealing is to have honest representatives of all interests as observers.

Other reforms that work to the advantage of those dedicated to v**e f***d because they are less safe – more prone to v**e f***d. They include same-day-registration, provisional b****ts, v**e-by-computer (smart phone), no-ID-needed.

These are all sold on the basis that they increase the number of v**ers. That is debatable – and not substantiated in the few studies that exist. But it is certain that those reforms open the doors more widely to v**e f***d.

In all the negotiations, court cases and debates I have been involved in with my Democrat counterparts, I have not seen one instance in when they have ever proposed or accepted a reform that more tightly sealed the backdoors to corruption.

It does not take much research to dismiss the bogus claims of the Democrats that there is no such thing as v**e f***d.

The issue of v**e-by-mail has resurfaced because of the C****-** v***s. The claim it would be safer on the health of the individual. Maybe in the current extreme case we have today – and the controversy over the just completed Wisconsin primary. But v**e-by-mail is an existential threat to the health of the Republic.

So, there ‘tis. It's not the v**e that is important....It's He who counts them that is!

peg w

The thing I worry about is that mail in v**es can be intercepted. However, I do not want to see a replay of Wisconsin. I rather v**e by mail than not v**e at all.

Sew_What

Is sure will prevent geezers in nursing homes or hospice on their death bed from v****g, won't it?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You better rush over and demonstrate in front of the Utah state house.. they do only mail in v****g..

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

are you from Utah?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I drove thru it a couple times..

I am from the great state of Minnesota, the far north..

Yes, we also have mail in v****g.. and have made many efforts to make the right of v****g as easy as possible..

And nearly every year we lead the nation in v**er turn out or close to it..

the effort to suppress the v****g on the other party is a hall mark of republicans and this time is lead by your orange mistake...

If you ever watched real news you would have seen him on tape saying that republicans do not do well when a large v**er turnout happens.. hence the current ongoing drive the suppress v****g..

even then, as shown in Wisconsin, the results are not always as the republicans wish..

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

What about Utah again?

In Texas a TX resident can only v**e by mail if one can prove they're out of the state or country
otherwise it's Good ol' Fashioned Texas Paper B****ts...a legal legitimate paper trail...ya know it?

Stalin once said it's not who v**es---It's who counts the v**es---and mail in b****ts can disappear or appear.
the Maoist l*****t's have been doin it for decades

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

If you can not read ask for help..

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

V**e by mail is a very dangerous idea
I fancy myself as a bit of an expert on e******n f***d – at least a knowledgeable person. On two occasions, I was involved with civic organizations that fought against f**grant v**e f***d in Chicago. I have seen every trick in the book – and it is a thick book. Chicago was a good place to learn because the Democrat machine was the state-of-the-art in stealing e******ns. I experienced it personally when I ran in the Republican primary for Mayor of Chicago because 42 percent of the GOP v**es for mayor evaporated – but that is a story for another time.

I live in Chicago and have for about 75% of my life. Fraud absolutely exists here. The last e******n, just a day after the Governor shut down bars and restaurants, (but not the e******n) it looked like maybe two people working my precinct. And she did a hell of a job. Looked at my I. D. that I always demand. But the time before, the i***t judge refused to look at my I. D. and only cared that I said who I was and signed the paper form. But my signature wasn't anything like what was on the form because I had a broken hand and couldn't sign my name properly. I'm just one potentially fraudulent v**er allowed through, and I wasn't fraudulent. How many got through? How many dead v**ed? The v****g is in a senior citizen housing building. How many people v**ed for others, in person or with mail in v****g? We don't know because those in charge don't want it known, because they are the only ones in position to create the fraud.

I worked one e******n for an independent candidate. The opposition moved in shortly before the e******n to be the official Democrat candidate. We beat him and he moved away about a month later. No way did he want to represent us. He was just a political stooge. We had to go to every registered v**er in the precinct and pass out fliers and such. But it was mostly hi rises with limited access. The Democrat precinct captain could go anywhere while we were not allowed into the hi rises. Fraud happens everywhere and in many ways.

On e******n day we went around getting favorable v**ers out to v**e. But the Democrat Precinct captain had the walk of the polling place and treated it like his private home. Starting out the day with donuts for all of the judges. It was a brutal day, but we won.

You want these people to actually count these mail in v**es and mail out the b****ts? To the dead? To those that moved away? To those that don't even know they are registered? To those that are in comas or hospitals elsewhere and don't know they are v****g?

Fraud exists and with mail in v**es, it will only increase without massive changes and security that won't happen. And yes, the Republicans will do it too. But personally, and after a life times of observing e******ns, I believe the Democrats will carry it out in massive amounts, especially in the ibg cities.

Logically Right

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Permi: You take a good look at their v**er rolls....They are honest!....Small state; Left hand can find the right hand!

bikerjack60

In Wisconsin all I had to do to get a b****t was to scan my driver license. What about the states that give licenses to i******s. They will surely v**e. V**er ID should be mandatory

roy

[quote=Crayons]What about Utah again?

In Texas a TX resident can only v**e by mail if one can prove they're out of the state or country
otherwise it's Good ol' Fashioned Texas Paper B****ts...a legal legitimate paper trail...ya know it?

Stalin once said it's not who v**es---It's who counts the v**es---and mail in b****ts can disappear or appear.
the Maoist l*****t's have been doin it for

So if a Democrate wins the e******n in 2020 and we all go to the polls and we have v**er id,which I agree with ,what kind of excuse are you going to use then?

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

[quote=roy]

That the Democrat won fairly.

But I will still claim the right to think they are stupid and ill informed and a destructive force in America and leading us to a loss of freedom and what America is all about.