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Apr 11, 2020 17:55:23   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
And after republicans agreed to include low income people be included and extend unemployment benifits then it passed


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The low income was covered under the $2 trillion emergency fund. President Trump had already budgeted that on the Emergency fund.

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Apr 11, 2020 18:52:47   #
Michael10
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Remember, this $2 trillion approved by the Senate took to long to get approved because Pelosi was negotiating her share? But the Emergency fund was urgently needed, our people are dying. So, they when they include Pelosi's $300 billion, the bill was finally approved in Congress.


Oh, so republicans and Trump didn't sign off on the bill?

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Apr 12, 2020 00:39:58   #
Radiance3
 
Michael10 wrote:
Oh, so republicans and Trump didn't sign off on the bill?


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Non-sense, what are you talking about?

The bill was approved after the $300 billion for Pelosi's i*****l a***n.
The president signed the bill to help the much needed emergency aid to help the victims of the Coonav***s.

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Apr 12, 2020 11:31:24   #
kemmer
 
Kevyn wrote:
Let the megachurch prosperity preachers reach deep into their pockets to bail out their struggling fellow Christians.

Osteen is worth megamillions, yet during the hurricane in Texas he wouldn't permit his expensive-carpeted "church" to be used as an emergency relief center.

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Apr 12, 2020 12:19:27   #
factnotfiction
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Non-sense, what are you talking about?

The bill was approved after the $300 billion for Pelosi's i*****l a***n.
The president signed the bill to help the much needed emergency aid to help the victims of the Coonav***s.




You really are not aware of much are you?

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Apr 12, 2020 12:59:00   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
And after republicans agreed to include low income people be included and extend unemployment benifits then it passed


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There you go again loney tune.
The key to passage was the $300 billion that Pelosi got for her Sanctuary cities, her i******s aliens, the PP, and all the Art foundations. That was why it took a long time on this emergency funds to be approved. Congress will not approve unless Lelosi's handouts were included.

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Apr 13, 2020 16:44:10   #
saltwind78
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Since religions is just business, small, medium, and large, should the churches, temples, mosques, and temples, be included in the current government handout/bailout programs?

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Empty pews, empty collection baskets: c****av***s hits U.S. church finances
Michelle Conlin
6 MIN READ

NEW YORK (Reuters) - St. Anselm Roman Catholic Church in New York’s Brooklyn borough is used to limping along, month after month, at a budget deficit of several thousand dollars a week.

A man prays outside the closed Saint Anselm Church during the outbreak of c****av***s disease (C****-**) in the Brooklyn borough of New York, U.S., April 10, 2020. REUTERS/Caitlin Ochs
But the church that sits in the city that is the epicenter of the U.S. c****av***s p******c could always count on Easter. Last year, its Easter pew collection brought in $11,651. That was more than twice an average Sunday and, coupled with the church’s online Easter donations of $2,500, enough to cover its weekly operating expenses of $13,000, according to church records.

Like most churches around the United States, St. Anselm’s will be closed on Sunday, its members unable to gather and its priests unable to meet with them as the nation endures its worst public-health crisis in a century.

But just as American churches have been unable to meet their members’ spiritual needs — perhaps most painfully represented in the absence of public funerals for the thousands who have died — they also have faced their own unmet needs in the form of untouched collection baskets.

“We are in uncharted waters, financially,” said John Quaglione, a St. Anselm’s parishioner who is also a spokesman for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn. “There will be some serious conversations and some strong conversations with the parishes and the economic folks to help get us through this.”

Easter Sunday is one of the biggest donation days of the year for U.S. churches, due largely to the spikes in attendance they typically see, according to church officials and nonprofit groups.

Even before health guidance shuttered most U.S. churches, many were struggling financially. Just half of Americans reported belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque in 2018, according to Gallup polling, down from 70% two decades earlier. Those who attend services go more erratically, according to the Pew Research Center, leaving fewer people to fill collection baskets.

The high cost of maintaining older church buildings and — particularly for the Catholic church, legal costs related to the clergy sex abuse scandal — have also taken a toll on churches in the United States and around the world.

“This is the first time where we have this almost national shutdown of churches,” said John Berardino, president of Fredericksburg, Virginia-based Griffin Capital Funding, which specializes in church real estate loans. He said he believed the extended shutdowns would take a heavy financial toll on about half of U.S. churches.

Scott McConnell, executive director of Nashville, Tennessee-based LifeWay Research, which conducts surveys and research for Christian ministries, sounded a similar note.

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“It would not surprise me at all if 5% of churches close over the next year,” McConnell said.

That is five times the typical annual closure rate estimated by The Christian Century, a U.S. mainline Protestant magazine.

Most American churches do not have sizeable endowments. According to LifeWay, 26% of churches have seven weeks or less of operating income. An additional quarter only have enough to last eight to 15 weeks.

“Churches at the end of their life cycle are going to be at the brink” during the c****av***s crisis, said McConnell.

The pain of the closures is not just fiscal.

After announcing a sweeping list of cancellations, Bishop Charles Blake of the Church of God in Christ, the largest U.S. Pentecostal denomination, expressed regret at their necessity.

Slideshow (4 Images)
“While the fellowship with one another is priceless, your safety is most important to us,” Blake said, adding, “stay at home.”

FIRST BANKRUPTCY, THEN THE V***S
Three years ago, the Mount Calvary Pentecostal Church in Youngstown, Ohio, which had been a pillar of its community since its founding in 1918, the year of the Spanish Flu, faced the “perfect storm,” said the church’s bankruptcy attorney, Andrew Suhar.

“Shrinking population, shrinking congregation and shrinking donations,” Suhar said.

The Church filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and began to work with its major lender, the Christian Community Credit Union, to reorganize. In 2018, the church emerged successfully from bankruptcy with a new solvency plan, which was on the way to putting the church’s balance sheet back in order — until C****-** emerged.

“They had worked so hard and done such a good job,” said the church’s legal counsel, Matthew Blair. “Now, with C****-**, there is no church attendance ... Revenue is nonexistent.”

Mount Calvary’s pastor declined to be interviewed.

Many churches are turning to their online donation portals for help, but those typically lag what funnels into church coffers from passed donation plates during Sunday services.

“Many churches are still run by older people ... they may not be as technically savvy,” said Berardino, of Griffin.

He noted that religious organizations and lenders had successfully lobbied lawmakers to include church personnel in the list of American workers offered support by the $2.3 trillion c****av***s relief package passed by Congress last month. Churches will also be eligible for the administration’s stimulus package small business loans.

Reporting by Michelle Conlin in New York; Editing by Scott Malone and Daniel Wallis
Since religions is just business, small, medium, a... (show quote)


The best way congregations can support their church is to stay at home, and not spread this v***s to their fellow congregants, and their congregants families.

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Apr 15, 2020 03:40:08   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
saltwind78 wrote:
The best way congregations can support their church is to stay at home, and not spread this v***s to their fellow congregants, and their congregants families.


Where are the Christians such as Canucus Deploracus who ends up all his philippics with a "God Bless" or an "Amen"? He lives in China, an inhospitable country for Christians of any persuation, aren't you all interested how he survives there?

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Apr 15, 2020 09:54:40   #
kemmer
 
newbear wrote:
Where are the Christians such as Canucus Deploracus who ends up all his philippics with a "God Bless" or an "Amen"? He lives in China, an inhospitable country for Christians of any persuation, aren't you all interested how he survives there?

There are plenty of Christians in China.

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Apr 16, 2020 14:18:44   #
saltwind78
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Since religions is just business, small, medium, and large, should the churches, temples, mosques, and temples, be included in the current government handout/bailout programs?

**************************************************************************************
Empty pews, empty collection baskets: c****av***s hits U.S. church finances
Michelle Conlin
6 MIN READ

NEW YORK (Reuters) - St. Anselm Roman Catholic Church in New York’s Brooklyn borough is used to limping along, month after month, at a budget deficit of several thousand dollars a week.

A man prays outside the closed Saint Anselm Church during the outbreak of c****av***s disease (C****-**) in the Brooklyn borough of New York, U.S., April 10, 2020. REUTERS/Caitlin Ochs
But the church that sits in the city that is the epicenter of the U.S. c****av***s p******c could always count on Easter. Last year, its Easter pew collection brought in $11,651. That was more than twice an average Sunday and, coupled with the church’s online Easter donations of $2,500, enough to cover its weekly operating expenses of $13,000, according to church records.

Like most churches around the United States, St. Anselm’s will be closed on Sunday, its members unable to gather and its priests unable to meet with them as the nation endures its worst public-health crisis in a century.

But just as American churches have been unable to meet their members’ spiritual needs — perhaps most painfully represented in the absence of public funerals for the thousands who have died — they also have faced their own unmet needs in the form of untouched collection baskets.

“We are in uncharted waters, financially,” said John Quaglione, a St. Anselm’s parishioner who is also a spokesman for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn. “There will be some serious conversations and some strong conversations with the parishes and the economic folks to help get us through this.”

Easter Sunday is one of the biggest donation days of the year for U.S. churches, due largely to the spikes in attendance they typically see, according to church officials and nonprofit groups.

Even before health guidance shuttered most U.S. churches, many were struggling financially. Just half of Americans reported belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque in 2018, according to Gallup polling, down from 70% two decades earlier. Those who attend services go more erratically, according to the Pew Research Center, leaving fewer people to fill collection baskets.

The high cost of maintaining older church buildings and — particularly for the Catholic church, legal costs related to the clergy sex abuse scandal — have also taken a toll on churches in the United States and around the world.

“This is the first time where we have this almost national shutdown of churches,” said John Berardino, president of Fredericksburg, Virginia-based Griffin Capital Funding, which specializes in church real estate loans. He said he believed the extended shutdowns would take a heavy financial toll on about half of U.S. churches.

Scott McConnell, executive director of Nashville, Tennessee-based LifeWay Research, which conducts surveys and research for Christian ministries, sounded a similar note.

ADVERTISEMENT


“It would not surprise me at all if 5% of churches close over the next year,” McConnell said.

That is five times the typical annual closure rate estimated by The Christian Century, a U.S. mainline Protestant magazine.

Most American churches do not have sizeable endowments. According to LifeWay, 26% of churches have seven weeks or less of operating income. An additional quarter only have enough to last eight to 15 weeks.

“Churches at the end of their life cycle are going to be at the brink” during the c****av***s crisis, said McConnell.

The pain of the closures is not just fiscal.

After announcing a sweeping list of cancellations, Bishop Charles Blake of the Church of God in Christ, the largest U.S. Pentecostal denomination, expressed regret at their necessity.

Slideshow (4 Images)
“While the fellowship with one another is priceless, your safety is most important to us,” Blake said, adding, “stay at home.”

FIRST BANKRUPTCY, THEN THE V***S
Three years ago, the Mount Calvary Pentecostal Church in Youngstown, Ohio, which had been a pillar of its community since its founding in 1918, the year of the Spanish Flu, faced the “perfect storm,” said the church’s bankruptcy attorney, Andrew Suhar.

“Shrinking population, shrinking congregation and shrinking donations,” Suhar said.

The Church filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and began to work with its major lender, the Christian Community Credit Union, to reorganize. In 2018, the church emerged successfully from bankruptcy with a new solvency plan, which was on the way to putting the church’s balance sheet back in order — until C****-** emerged.

“They had worked so hard and done such a good job,” said the church’s legal counsel, Matthew Blair. “Now, with C****-**, there is no church attendance ... Revenue is nonexistent.”

Mount Calvary’s pastor declined to be interviewed.

Many churches are turning to their online donation portals for help, but those typically lag what funnels into church coffers from passed donation plates during Sunday services.

“Many churches are still run by older people ... they may not be as technically savvy,” said Berardino, of Griffin.

He noted that religious organizations and lenders had successfully lobbied lawmakers to include church personnel in the list of American workers offered support by the $2.3 trillion c****av***s relief package passed by Congress last month. Churches will also be eligible for the administration’s stimulus package small business loans.

Reporting by Michelle Conlin in New York; Editing by Scott Malone and Daniel Wallis
Since religions is just business, small, medium, a... (show quote)


I am very much against the government bailing out churches. It's for a good reason that Thomas Jefferson called for a wall between church and state. Both are very powerful entities. I don't want the government influencing my church and I don't want the church influencing my government. WE HAVE FREEDOM OF RELIGION IN THIS GREAT REPUBLIC, LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY.

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