If the seed date of this v***s happened earlier, it is a real good chance we have millions of people who are immune. There is sufficient data to at least make this very possible to probable. It would be safe for those people to venture safely from their homes and help shore up the work force. It may be particularly important for doctors and nurses to know whether they have antibodies.

Antibody testing will give scientists a better sense of how widespread the infection is in the population and help researchers calculate more precisely the fatality rate and the frequency of asymptomatic infections.

This article goes into detail, with supporting links, on the possibility. https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/06/the-curve-is-already-flat/

I offer this with caution, if you have not had the "flu" this winter, do stay at home. if you had the flu, it might be worthwhile to be tested.

Interesting article....

To what should the increased number of fatalities and cases requiring ventilatora b attributed to?

Also, because I may be wrong, is his definition of flattening the curve not inaccurate?

"It’s important to remember that a flat curve is not one in which no one gets infected. A flat curve is one which, at its peak, does not create enough critically ill patients to overwhelm the health care system."

I believe a flat curve is used to describe a situation where the numbers are no longer increasing, no?


And his chart shows that flu levels have remained the same or lower from previous years... No?

Interesting article....

To what should the increased number of fatalities and cases requiring ventilatora b attributed to?

Also, because I may be wrong, is his definition of flattening the curve not inaccurate?

"It’s important to remember that a flat curve is not one in which no one gets infected. A flat curve is one which, at its peak, does not create enough critically ill patients to overwhelm the health care system."

I believe a flat curve is used to describe a situation where the numbers are no longer increasing, no?


And his chart shows that flu levels have remained the same or lower from previous years... No?

In any given year, about 50 percent of flu patients who are hospitalized require mechanical ventilators. If you look at the flu trends for the past three years, you will notice that 2019 started with high numbers of individuals showing symptoms of "flu." That number continued to grow, and then a test for the China released flu was developed. The CDC or WHO did not go back and test those who were already hospitalized or gotten better and returned to their lives. And no examination of the dead was performed to sort out cause of death.

I think it is a safe bet, our hospitals did not have enough mechanical ventilators to accommodate a "high" flu season that included the p******c.

Yes, a larger number of mechanical ventilators were/are required due to the a******lly high incidents of the 'flu" season beginning in Oct 2019. Dec 2 there was a tall spike. Now of particular note, The US Military participated in the 2019 Military World Games in W***n, China between October 18 and October 27 of 2019. Their chartered flights arrive and depart from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. Washington is one of the earliest states to show a spike in ILI, corresponding with the incubation period should the v***s have been introduced as the military traveled through Washington to other destinations. Also, take note of the hardest hit states for seasonal flu....our deep south, home to the majority of military. read this article, this lady explains much better than I can, https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/05/could-cdc-data-prove-c****-**-infections-in-november-2019/

Now, the curve; in epidemiology, the idea of slowing a v***s' spread so that fewer people need to seek treatment at any given time is known as "flattening the curve." It explains why so many countries are implementing "social distancing" guidelines — including a "shelter in place" order that affects 6.7 million people in Northern California, even though C****-** outbreaks there might not yet seem severe. Flattening the curve does not mean people are getting better or no new cases, it simply means those who will get sick are spread out over a longer period of time....meaning delaying the inevitable.

I have no idea of where your chart came from, but all you need to do is go to cdc.gov and you will find the information on 2019-2020 ILIs.

Cannot drop guard against the outbreak
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Weeks of self-quarantine can make people desperate to spend time in the open. And what better place to do so than the mountains with their expansive vistas and fresh air?

Yet it is too early to throw caution to the winds, for the novel c****av***s has not been completely contained. The fear of infections still looms.

It was surprising therefore to see more than 20,000 people flocking to the Huangshan scenic area in Anhui province on Sunday. Such was the rush that the scenic spot management had to issue four notices in a day to remind potential visitors about the site's temporary closure.

Even one asymptomatic person can infect many people in places such as the scenic spot — who in turn can infect many more — and compromise all the prevention and control measures taken by the central and provincial authorities to contain the v***s.

And a video uploaded online with footage of the cheek-by-jowl crowd showed how high was the risk of infection at the scenic spot on Sunday.

The entry to Huangshan scenic spot is reportedly free for residents of Anhui province. But given the risk of infection, a free trip to the scenic spot is by any yardstick not worth taking.

People's longing for the outdoors after being confined to the four walls of their homes is understandable. However, people making a dash for parks and scenic spots in many cities need to pause and reflect on the consequences of their hazardous behavior, such as not wearing face masks — some were seen without masks in the Huangshan video on Sunday.

True, Anhui has not reported any new infections for weeks. But that does not mean there is no risk of infections, especially because imported infections and asymptomatic cases both are increasing on the Chinese mainland — from 30 on Saturday to 39 on Sunday, and from 47 on Saturday to 78 on Sunday respectively.

The humongous efforts tens of thousands of medical workers and municipal staff have made to largely contain the v***s in China could be wasted if people become careless.

The rules we have been following for weeks still apply: wearing face masks when going out, and washing our hands and disinfecting our clothes when we return home. Taking precautions against infection is the least we can do to ensure the country wins the fight against the v***s.

Since the rise of asymptomatic cases on the mainland means the fight against the epidemic is still a challenge, we cannot afford to drop our guard against the v***s.

Passive aggressive?

Because I have questions.... Yep... That adds up... Objectivity is reached by questioning information and vetting it to ensure that what is being stated is based on sound reasoning and facts...

The chart that the writer included shows a normal flu season in the US... Despite his claim that it was irregular... Perhaps you don't find that odd.... I do...

On top of that he makes a claim about flattening the curve that diaplays he is unaware of what the curve is...

Perhaps this is why the original source for the article removed it???


In any case, if you find that questions are a form of aggression then perhaps you should look carefully at your objectivity... Clarity rarely comes from blindly accepting something at face value...

I apologize for calling you passive aggressive.

Not all patients need hospitalization, not all sick people had a "flu" test. Most were treated with standard methods and sent home. The "test positive for flu" graph you zeroed in on does not account for the dramatic increase in doctor visit for "Flu-like symptoms." "Flu-like illness reports exceeded 30,000 per week in early November 2019, and were soon running almost double the rate of previous recent years. Data source: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/fluportaldashboard.html

Nearly twice as many ILI visits were reported during the beginning of the 2019–2020 flu season than were reported in either of the two previous years. By December 2019, there were over 80,000 US patients seeking treatment for flu-like symptoms — long before Chinese authorities reported C***D to global health organizations on 31 Dec 2019."

Apologies for the delay... Lunch called...

I agree that the ILI visits look suspicious... A simple testing of a group of patients from those months should provide an answer.... If they show the antibodies then it can be presumed that the v***s was prevalent at a much earlier time....

Hopefully testing will take place soon... The longer it takes the less likely it is conclusive evidence will be found... Tests show that an individual has been infected, but not when...

I would be interested in seeing if other high travel volume nations had similar spikes... Japan and Korea.... The UK and Australia... perhaps cities like Vancouver and toronto...