Should Churches Meet or Not Meet? When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. Liberty Counsel Should...

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. Liberty Counsel

Should Churches Meet or Not Meet?
Liberty Counsel ~ April 1, 2020
TAMPA, FL – Dr. Rodney Howard-Browne, pastor of The River at Tampa Bay Church, was arrested at his home Monday for holding a church service last Sunday. The church is in Hillsborough County, Florida. The Hillsborough County administrative order includes 43 paragraphs of exemptions, and then contains a catch-all paragraph stating that any commercial business that is not specifically exempted may operate, as long as it complies with the six-foot separate requirement.

Commercial businesses such as Home Depot and others are teaming with people purchasing such items as potted plants, fertilizers, and garden hoses. This business is free to operate without the six-foot requirement.

Why do people so easily think that churches should close but places like Home Depot and Lowe’s should stay open? Churches have a First Amendment right to exist and assemble, but the commercial businesses do not. The Home Depots in Hillsborough County look like they’re giving out free merchandise. They’re packed with people. Truckloads are arriving to deliver such “essential items” as potted plants. There is no six-foot separation and there is no special effort at all to keep people safe. Yet, The River at Tampa Bay Church spent $100,000 on special equipment and enforced a six-foot separation throughout the sanctuary and lobby.

Why is it the church can’t meet when it has a constitutional right to do so and has undertaken extraordinary efforts to protect people, but commercial businesses can meet with no constitutional protections and many do nothing to protect anyone? People need to think more rationally and critically before they come to a knee-jerk reaction that churches should not meet. This is the United States of America, and we have a First Amendment for a reason. It’s not an either/or that the church should or should not meet. In America, churches have a constitutional right to meet, and in so doing, they can take precautions to protect people.

Since the arrest of Pastor Browne, Texas and Indiana both modified their Executive Orders to include churches as “essential services.” Florida exempts churches and recommends they follow public health guidelines. Other counties in Florida do the same things, such as Orange County, where Orlando is located. Michigan exempts “houses of worship,” and Kansas exempts activities necessary to “preserve constitutional or legal rights,” including to “perform or attend religious or faith-based services or activities.”

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. The government must narrowly tailor restrictions on constructional rights. The Constitution does not disappear even in times of crisis.

Lonewolf

Parky60 wrote:

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. Liberty Counsel

Should Churches Meet or Not Meet?
Liberty Counsel ~ April 1, 2020
TAMPA, FL – Dr. Rodney Howard-Browne, pastor of The River at Tampa Bay Church, was arrested at his home Monday for holding a church service last Sunday. The church is in Hillsborough County, Florida. The Hillsborough County administrative order includes 43 paragraphs of exemptions, and then contains a catch-all paragraph stating that any commercial business that is not specifically exempted may operate, as long as it complies with the six-foot separate requirement.

Commercial businesses such as Home Depot and others are teaming with people purchasing such items as potted plants, fertilizers, and garden hoses. This business is free to operate without the six-foot requirement.

Why do people so easily think that churches should close but places like Home Depot and Lowe’s should stay open? Churches have a First Amendment right to exist and assemble, but the commercial businesses do not. The Home Depots in Hillsborough County look like they’re giving out free merchandise. They’re packed with people. Truckloads are arriving to deliver such “essential items” as potted plants. There is no six-foot separation and there is no special effort at all to keep people safe. Yet, The River at Tampa Bay Church spent $100,000 on special equipment and enforced a six-foot separation throughout the sanctuary and lobby.

Why is it the church can’t meet when it has a constitutional right to do so and has undertaken extraordinary efforts to protect people, but commercial businesses can meet with no constitutional protections and many do nothing to protect anyone? People need to think more rationally and critically before they come to a knee-jerk reaction that churches should not meet. This is the United States of America, and we have a First Amendment for a reason. It’s not an either/or that the church should or should not meet. In America, churches have a constitutional right to meet, and in so doing, they can take precautions to protect people.

Since the arrest of Pastor Browne, Texas and Indiana both modified their Executive Orders to include churches as “essential services.” Florida exempts churches and recommends they follow public health guidelines. Other counties in Florida do the same things, such as Orange County, where Orlando is located. Michigan exempts “houses of worship,” and Kansas exempts activities necessary to “preserve constitutional or legal rights,” including to “perform or attend religious or faith-based services or activities.”

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. The government must narrowly tailor restrictions on constructional rights. The Constitution does not disappear even in times of crisis.

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I say if you want to stay healthy stay home want the v***s go to church and stand in large crowds.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Lonewolf wrote:

I say if you want to stay healthy stay home want the v***s go to church and stand in large crowds.

Why are you focusing on churches who are mitigating the risks and not some businesses who are not? Do you h**e God?

billy a Loc: South Florida

A church represents independent thinking, and the left can't stand that. The church represents the willful gathering of independent thinkers, which the left h**es even more.
And finally the church represents the willful gathering of independent thinking people who have HOPE, and, the left doesn't understand, thereby FEARS the church.

kemmer

Parky60 wrote:

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. Liberty Counsel

Should Churches Meet or Not Meet?
Liberty Counsel ~ April 1, 2020
TAMPA, FL – Dr. Rodney Howard-Browne, pastor of The River at Tampa Bay Church, was arrested at his home Monday for holding a church service last Sunday. The church is in Hillsborough County, Florida. The Hillsborough County administrative order includes 43 paragraphs of exemptions, and then contains a catch-all paragraph stating that any commercial business that is not specifically exempted may operate, as long as it complies with the six-foot separate requirement.

Commercial businesses such as Home Depot and others are teaming with people purchasing such items as potted plants, fertilizers, and garden hoses. This business is free to operate without the six-foot requirement.

Why do people so easily think that churches should close but places like Home Depot and Lowe’s should stay open? Churches have a First Amendment right to exist and assemble, but the commercial businesses do not. The Home Depots in Hillsborough County look like they’re giving out free merchandise. They’re packed with people. Truckloads are arriving to deliver such “essential items” as potted plants. There is no six-foot separation and there is no special effort at all to keep people safe. Yet, The River at Tampa Bay Church spent $100,000 on special equipment and enforced a six-foot separation throughout the sanctuary and lobby.

Why is it the church can’t meet when it has a constitutional right to do so and has undertaken extraordinary efforts to protect people, but commercial businesses can meet with no constitutional protections and many do nothing to protect anyone? People need to think more rationally and critically before they come to a knee-jerk reaction that churches should not meet. This is the United States of America, and we have a First Amendment for a reason. It’s not an either/or that the church should or should not meet. In America, churches have a constitutional right to meet, and in so doing, they can take precautions to protect people.

Since the arrest of Pastor Browne, Texas and Indiana both modified their Executive Orders to include churches as “essential services.” Florida exempts churches and recommends they follow public health guidelines. Other counties in Florida do the same things, such as Orange County, where Orlando is located. Michigan exempts “houses of worship,” and Kansas exempts activities necessary to “preserve constitutional or legal rights,” including to “perform or attend religious or faith-based services or activities.”

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. The government must narrowly tailor restrictions on constructional rights. The Constitution does not disappear even in times of crisis.

i When balancing constitutional rights against pu... (show quote)

Here in Sacramento, one church disobeyed the governor's shutdown order and held a regular Sunday service. As a result, 73 parishioners have been diagnosed with c***d **. You do the math.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

I'm 64 yrs old, work 7 days a week, go out everyday in crowded areas and I'm feelin fine

Late last december I had light flu symptoms, I probably created the antibodies and am immune

by the way > bill gates said ""The lockdowns will prevent immunity""

kemmer

Crayons wrote:

I'm 64 yrs old, work 7 days a week, go out everyday in crowded areas and I'm feelin fine

Late last december I had light flu symptoms, I probably created the antibodies and am immune

Hahahahaha... No, you probably didn't. Before c***d ** happened, the CDC announced there were several flu varients around this flu season, but a flu shot might be effective against one or more of them. And then there was c***d ** for which there is NO v*****e or immunity.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

kemmer wrote:

Hahahahaha... No, you probably didn't. Before c***d ** happened, the CDC announced there were several flu varients around this flu season, but a flu shot might be effective against one or more of them. And then there was c***d ** for which there is NO v*****e or immunity.

Is that you again "Hanoi Jane" ? Keep trustin in the 'C'itizen 'D'etention 'C'enters

"Gates Said" quote

We don’t want to have a lot of recovered people

To be clear, we’re trying – through the shut-down in the United States – to not get to one percent of the population infected. We’re well below that today, but with exponentiation, you could get past that three million [people or approximately one percent of the U.S. population being infected with C****-** and the vast majority recovering]. I believe we will be able to avoid that with having this economic pain.”

It appears that rather than let the population be exposed to the v***s and most develop antibodies that give them natural, long-lasting immunity to C****-**, Gates and his colleagues far prefer to create a vast, hugely expensive, new system of manufacturing and selling billions of test kits, and in parallel very quickly developing and selling billions of antiv***ls and v*****es.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-bill-gates-just-reveal-real-reason-behind-lock-downs

by the way > Gates owns the Cov19 patent and has been friends with demonrat 'F***i' for over 20 years

kemmer

Crayons wrote:

Is that you again "Hanoi Jane" ? Keep t... (show quote)

By all means go out and hug or shake hands with everyone you meet and see what it gets you.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

kemmer wrote:

By all means go out and hug or shake hands with everyone you meet and see what it gets you.

I'm in great shape and Respectably Greet all my diesel repair customers every day > 7 days a week - 365 a year

Worry about yerself n' yer saggy boobs 'Miss Hanoi Jane'

Dwight Logan

Parky60 wrote:

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. Liberty Counsel

Should Churches Meet or Not Meet?
Liberty Counsel ~ April 1, 2020
TAMPA, FL – Dr. Rodney Howard-Browne, pastor of The River at Tampa Bay Church, was arrested at his home Monday for holding a church service last Sunday. The church is in Hillsborough County, Florida. The Hillsborough County administrative order includes 43 paragraphs of exemptions, and then contains a catch-all paragraph stating that any commercial business that is not specifically exempted may operate, as long as it complies with the six-foot separate requirement.

Commercial businesses such as Home Depot and others are teaming with people purchasing such items as potted plants, fertilizers, and garden hoses. This business is free to operate without the six-foot requirement.

Why do people so easily think that churches should close but places like Home Depot and Lowe’s should stay open? Churches have a First Amendment right to exist and assemble, but the commercial businesses do not. The Home Depots in Hillsborough County look like they’re giving out free merchandise. They’re packed with people. Truckloads are arriving to deliver such “essential items” as potted plants. There is no six-foot separation and there is no special effort at all to keep people safe. Yet, The River at Tampa Bay Church spent $100,000 on special equipment and enforced a six-foot separation throughout the sanctuary and lobby.

Why is it the church can’t meet when it has a constitutional right to do so and has undertaken extraordinary efforts to protect people, but commercial businesses can meet with no constitutional protections and many do nothing to protect anyone? People need to think more rationally and critically before they come to a knee-jerk reaction that churches should not meet. This is the United States of America, and we have a First Amendment for a reason. It’s not an either/or that the church should or should not meet. In America, churches have a constitutional right to meet, and in so doing, they can take precautions to protect people.

Since the arrest of Pastor Browne, Texas and Indiana both modified their Executive Orders to include churches as “essential services.” Florida exempts churches and recommends they follow public health guidelines. Other counties in Florida do the same things, such as Orange County, where Orlando is located. Michigan exempts “houses of worship,” and Kansas exempts activities necessary to “preserve constitutional or legal rights,” including to “perform or attend religious or faith-based services or activities.”

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. The government must narrowly tailor restrictions on constructional rights. The Constitution does not disappear even in times of crisis.

i When balancing constitutional rights against pu... (show quote)

Parky60,
I preached for years and have given much thought to this. I believe that the church is to "Spead the message, not the v***s."

son of witless

Parky60 wrote:

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. Liberty Counsel

Should Churches Meet or Not Meet?
Liberty Counsel ~ April 1, 2020
TAMPA, FL – Dr. Rodney Howard-Browne, pastor of The River at Tampa Bay Church, was arrested at his home Monday for holding a church service last Sunday. The church is in Hillsborough County, Florida. The Hillsborough County administrative order includes 43 paragraphs of exemptions, and then contains a catch-all paragraph stating that any commercial business that is not specifically exempted may operate, as long as it complies with the six-foot separate requirement.

Commercial businesses such as Home Depot and others are teaming with people purchasing such items as potted plants, fertilizers, and garden hoses. This business is free to operate without the six-foot requirement.

Why do people so easily think that churches should close but places like Home Depot and Lowe’s should stay open? Churches have a First Amendment right to exist and assemble, but the commercial businesses do not. The Home Depots in Hillsborough County look like they’re giving out free merchandise. They’re packed with people. Truckloads are arriving to deliver such “essential items” as potted plants. There is no six-foot separation and there is no special effort at all to keep people safe. Yet, The River at Tampa Bay Church spent $100,000 on special equipment and enforced a six-foot separation throughout the sanctuary and lobby.

Why is it the church can’t meet when it has a constitutional right to do so and has undertaken extraordinary efforts to protect people, but commercial businesses can meet with no constitutional protections and many do nothing to protect anyone? People need to think more rationally and critically before they come to a knee-jerk reaction that churches should not meet. This is the United States of America, and we have a First Amendment for a reason. It’s not an either/or that the church should or should not meet. In America, churches have a constitutional right to meet, and in so doing, they can take precautions to protect people.

Since the arrest of Pastor Browne, Texas and Indiana both modified their Executive Orders to include churches as “essential services.” Florida exempts churches and recommends they follow public health guidelines. Other counties in Florida do the same things, such as Orange County, where Orlando is located. Michigan exempts “houses of worship,” and Kansas exempts activities necessary to “preserve constitutional or legal rights,” including to “perform or attend religious or faith-based services or activities.”

When balancing constitutional rights against public health and safety, the government must use a scalpel, not a chain saw. The government must narrowly tailor restrictions on constructional rights. The Constitution does not disappear even in times of crisis.

i When balancing constitutional rights against pu... (show quote)

There are ways for churches to adapt. In my area some churches are having people show up in their cars. If the parking area is large enough, it works very well. The pastor conducts the service outside, in a tent shelter if it is raining. Everyone remains in their cars, separated from one another. Offering is collected as the cars leave the parking lot by dropping it in a container.

billy a Loc: South Florida

Dwight Logan wrote:

Parky60,
I preached for years and have given much thought to this. I believe that the church is to "Spead the message, not the v***s."

Good to hear from you, Mr. Logan. Be Well, and stay Happy...

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Dwight Logan wrote:

Parky60,
I preached for years and have given much thought to this. I believe that the church is to "Spead the message, not the v***s."

You're half right.

RRRoger

Parky60 wrote:

Why are you focusing on churches who are mitigating the risks and not some businesses who are not? Do you h**e God?

The corrupt Socialist Democrat Establishment Elite have instituted "Worship of the State" in our schools and taken God out of their platform. They seldom if ever display the f**g of the USA.

The Atheist are afraid that people will flock to Church and turn to God in our "hour of need".