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Apr 4, 2020 20:37:31   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I hope that is true.... There is a time for self dependence and a time for unity...

I understand that there are a number of 3M factories in Canada, employing Canadians, and using resources produced in Canada...

This is a time that will effect future relations for a generation to come...

Decisions should not be hastily made...

Liked your last post... I agree that that would be the best solution...
I hope that is true.... There is a time for self ... (show quote)


Again, in case you missed it....the issue with 3m was their contract to sell to the US millions of masks, 3 m took the money and sold their product (already under contract to US) to other countries.

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Apr 4, 2020 20:54:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Again, in case you missed it....the issue with 3m was their contract to sell to the US millions of masks, 3 m took the money and sold their product (already under contract to US) to other countries.


And we're hearing the opposite across the border.... That the contracts for Canada came earlier...

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Apr 4, 2020 21:30:28   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And we're hearing the opposite across the border.... That the contracts for Canada came earlier...


Well...what can I say? People will believe what they want..... Besides, did you not post that Canada has their own factories manufacturing masks? The DPA only applies to companies who are stateside and manufacturing products on US soil.

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Apr 4, 2020 21:31:29   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And we're hearing the opposite across the border.... That the contracts for Canada came earlier...


Do you have any proof of when Canada entered into the contract?

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Apr 4, 2020 21:35:19   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Well...what can I say? People will believe what they want..... Besides, did you not post that Canada has their own factories manufacturing masks? The DPA only applies to companies who are stateside and manufacturing products on US soil.


No... People will believe what the find to be true and be conflicted when there are conflicting sources...

The anger I'm hearing about is true of course... It's the details that need to be clarified...

I recall when Canadians were upset on the tariffs Trump enacted... Although most were unaware that Canada already had tariffs on many US products...

3M doesn't seem to be helping with the clarification..

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Apr 4, 2020 21:37:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Do you have any proof of when Canada entered into the contract?


Only the what I've read on various articles... They are conflicting and many rely on conjecture... Some are useless opinion pieces...

Would be best if 3M simply made the contracts available...

On the other hand, many wouldn't care... It is an epidemic and rationality is in short supply...

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Apr 4, 2020 21:48:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Only the what I've read on various articles... They are conflicting and many rely on conjecture... Some are useless opinion pieces...

Would be best if 3M simply made the contracts available...

On the other hand, many wouldn't care... It is an epidemic and rationality is in short supply...


provide a link to your "various articles." yes, this SIF v***s has stood the world on its ear!

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Apr 4, 2020 22:05:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
provide a link to your "various articles." yes, this SIF v***s has stood the world on its ear!


I started this thread with the article that I felt was the most balanced...

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Apr 4, 2020 22:53:07   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I started this thread with the article that I felt was the most balanced...


Well, as you said in the past....'On the other hand, one independent article should invoke our trust?'.....I think you said that in reply of my assertion that H1N1 originated in Mexico. So, is that the only article you read regarding 3M?

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Apr 4, 2020 23:00:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Well, as you said in the past....'On the other hand, one independent article should invoke our trust?'.....I think you said that in reply of my assertion that H1N1 originated in Mexico. So, is that the only article you read regarding 3M?


It's the best written... And I'm not asking anyone to trust it...

Please note that I agree with America's stance and with what you have posted concerning how the situation should and hopefully is being handled...

I try not to post too many conflicting articles because I am aware of how misinformation can contribute to confusion and contention...

As I have said, too many seem to be reacting rather than responding...

As to your assertion concerning H1N1.. It does seem that it originated there.. But it doesn't change the reality of the time... Where there was very little done in response to H1N1 when it was presumed to have come from the US... And the CDC is still claiming that it came from the US...


I do appreciate all the information I am given.. One of the greatest benefits of the OPP is the ability to receive information from multiple sources and have it analyzed by multiple viewpoints.... Other than the community and friendship I have found here, that is the OPPs greatest plus

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Apr 5, 2020 12:00:13   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Pennylynn wrote:
when you dig into this story you will find that the 3M company made a commitment to the US to furnish 35 million masks for use by US health care providers. what the company did was sell those masks to other countries. Naturally this upset the POTUS and he told the company to make good on their promise to us and step up production. the company said they could not step up production so the president invoked the Defense Production Act which the company understood to mean no export of any masks to other countries. Canada and Mexico are the biggest customers they have, so they are trying to fight their battle in the news using public opinion to force the government to make another "concession" like the liability protection given them earlier. bottom-line this is a food fight between the POTUS and 3m. I expect shipments to other nations will be honored and 3m will step up to the plate, hire more workers, and produce an abundance of masks.
when you dig into this story you will find that th... (show quote)


After I read your response, I thought, OK, that sounds like there is some rational for President Trump's decision. But then I read this account for that incident:

"International reports described one egregious last minute 'intervention' as follows:

As a planeload of masks was loaded up and prepared for departure from Shanghai to France this week, American buyers turned up on the tarmac at the last minute to purchase the shipment for three times its value. “A French order was bought out with cash by Americans on the tarmac, and the plane that was to fly to France took off for the US instead,” Rénaud Muselier, the head of the southeastern Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur region told RT France on Wednesday.

The US side, meanwhile, has vehemently denied the allegations. "The United States government has not purchased any masks intended for delivery from China to France," a senior Trump administration official told AFP. "Reports to the contrary are completely false."

Who is telling the t***h here, or can both accounts be true? Did 3M make the committment to furnish us with 35 million masks (no specified time period) as well as make a sale to France?

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Apr 5, 2020 12:10:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
ACP45 wrote:
After I read your response, I thought, OK, that sounds like there is some rational for President Trump's decision. But then I read this account for that incident:

"International reports described one egregious last minute 'intervention' as follows:

As a planeload of masks was loaded up and prepared for departure from Shanghai to France this week, American buyers turned up on the tarmac at the last minute to purchase the shipment for three times its value. “A French order was bought out with cash by Americans on the tarmac, and the plane that was to fly to France took off for the US instead,” Rénaud Muselier, the head of the southeastern Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur region told RT France on Wednesday.

The US side, meanwhile, has vehemently denied the allegations. "The United States government has not purchased any masks intended for delivery from China to France," a senior Trump administration official told AFP. "Reports to the contrary are completely false."

Who is telling the t***h here, or can both accounts be true? Did 3M make the committment to furnish us with 35 million masks (no specified time period) as well as make a sale to France?
After I read your response, I thought, OK, that so... (show quote)



Not that I do not believe you, but do you have a source? is it https://francais.rt.com/france/73464-muselier-sur-tarmac-chine-commande-francaise-achetee-americains-cash
Also, the masks I was talking about were those made in Minnesota by 3M and not China. I am not sure, after obama, that we haul around plane loads of money to make tarmac seals..... could happen, but I hope those days are behind us.

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Apr 5, 2020 19:39:09   #
roy
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Not that I do not believe you, but do you have a source? is it https://francais.rt.com/france/73464-muselier-sur-tarmac-chine-commande-francaise-achetee-americains-cash
Also, the masks I was talking about were those made in Minnesota by 3M and not China. I am not sure, after obama, that we haul around plane loads of money to make tarmac seals..... could happen, but I hope those days are behind us.


Those days are happening now more than ever,and exactly when did obama fly around with plane loads of cash?Just prove it it's just the same old bs the right has been fed..By the way since J. Kushner is now running our country as crooked as he is who really knows what's going on.When trump has a briefing and he's reading off his notes like a robot,you can be granted kushner wrote even word.So basically you your family you kids or grandkids is in Kushner's hands so don't you feel safe?

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Apr 5, 2020 19:48:40   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
roy wrote:
Those days are happening now more than ever,and exactly when did obama fly around with plane loads of cash?Just prove it it's just the same old bs the right has been fed..By the way since J. Kushner is now running our country as crooked as he is who really knows what's going on.When trump has a briefing and he's reading off his notes like a robot,you can be granted kushner wrote even word.So basically you your family you kids or grandkids is in Kushner's hands so don't you feel safe?


You think that President Trump has airplanes flying all over the world packed with US dollars and is buying up the world supply of medicines and medical equipment. If what you think is true, then he really is putting Americans first and that includes our health. Unlike delivering billions of dollars to terrorist. Big difference.

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Apr 6, 2020 11:02:32   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Not that I do not believe you, but do you have a source? is it https://francais.rt.com/france/73464-muselier-sur-tarmac-chine-commande-francaise-achetee-americains-cash
Also, the masks I was talking about were those made in Minnesota by 3M and not China. I am not sure, after obama, that we haul around plane loads of money to make tarmac seals..... could happen, but I hope those days are behind us.


I usually put the link in, but I can't find it now. Sorry

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