What if President Hillary Clinton Were Running the Show? There is no question about it that the numbers would be much worse. We'd be in a struggle to survive. the mkt would never in a...

fullspinzoo

There is no question about it that the numbers would be much worse. We'd be in a struggle to survive. the mkt would never in a million years hit the highs that it did. We might be at war with NK, or somebody else. Above all we would be much closer to "the end of the world". That's a given, and anybody who rebuts those facts is a fool. https://www.lifezette.com/2020/03/what-if-president-hillary-clinton-were-dealing-with-this-v***s/?utm_source=home-headline

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

fullspinzoo wrote:

There is no question about it that the numbers would be much worse. We'd be in a struggle to survive. the mkt would never in a million years hit the highs that it did. We might be at war with NK, or somebody else. Above all we would be much closer to "the end of the world". That's a given, and anybody who rebuts those facts is a fool. https://www.lifezette.com/2020/03/what-if-president-hillary-clinton-were-dealing-with-this-v***s/?utm_source=home-headline

Economy and foreign policy wise, you are correct. Disease wise, I doubt we'd have even heard of C***d19.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Don't put the carriage before the Horse.....Hillary is not P**********l material!

bahmer

fullspinzoo wrote:

There is no question about it that the numbers would be much worse. We'd be in a struggle to survive. the mkt would never in a million years hit the highs that it did. We might be at war with NK, or somebody else. Above all we would be much closer to "the end of the world". That's a given, and anybody who rebuts those facts is a fool. https://www.lifezette.com/2020/03/what-if-president-hillary-clinton-were-dealing-with-this-v***s/?utm_source=home-headline

Heaven forbid.

Auntie Lulu

fullspinzoo wrote:

There is no question about it that the numbers would be much worse. We'd be in a struggle to survive. the mkt would never in a million years hit the highs that it did. We might be at war with NK, or somebody else. Above all we would be much closer to "the end of the world". That's a given, and anybody who rebuts those facts is a fool. https://www.lifezette.com/2020/03/what-if-president-hillary-clinton-were-dealing-with-this-v***s/?utm_source=home-headline

I thank God every day that we dodged that bullet!

moldyoldy

She would be smart enough to listen to the experts. She would not have disbanded the p******c response team.

fullspinzoo

moldyoldy wrote:

She would be smart enough to listen to the experts. She would not have disbanded the p******c response team.

F**e news, bulls**t...something you're really an expert on.

Lonewolf

fullspinzoo wrote:

There is no question about it that the numbers would be much worse. We'd be in a struggle to survive. the mkt would never in a million years hit the highs that it did. We might be at war with NK, or somebody else. Above all we would be much closer to "the end of the world". That's a given, and anybody who rebuts those facts is a fool. https://www.lifezette.com/2020/03/what-if-president-hillary-clinton-were-dealing-with-this-v***s/?utm_source=home-headline

She would be a leader and not destroyed the agency created to handle p******cs.
She would be leader of the free world something trump gave away.
She wouldn't give v***s updates every day to be followed by a Dr who has to say trump dosent no s**t .

Rose42

Lonewolf wrote:

She would be a leader and not destroyed the agency created to handle p******cs.
She would be leader of the free world something trump gave away.
She wouldn't give v***s updates every day to be followed by a Dr who has to say trump dosent no s**t .

She’s not a leader. She’s poison to this country.

moldyoldy

Rose42 wrote:

She’s not a leader. She’s poison to this country.

You are right because a real leader has the My Pillow guy give the v***s update.

moldyoldy

He went to Jared

Because he did such a good job on middle east peace.

For the past several weeks, Kushner has led a “shadow task force” on the c****av***s, separate from Vice President Mike Pence’s official committee, according to The Washington Post. Kushner’s team, composed of federal officials allied with Kushner and outside corporate executives, has met in the headquarters of the Department of Health and Human Services. A senior official at that agency called Oscar to ask for its help on March 13, the day of Trump’s press conference, the Oscar spokesperson said.

Kushner’s group has focused on expanding and publicizing c****av***s testing, especially at drive-through locations. Oscar’s website would have asked users if they were experiencing symptoms of C****-**, the illness caused by the v***s, and surveyed them about other risk factors, including their age and preexisting conditions. It also would have listed a limited number of testing locations nationwide, including some of the drive-through sites that Trump promised. It was designed to look like a government-developed product, provided freely by the Department of Health and Human Services to the American public. Oscar posted the source code for the site to Github, where The Atlantic reviewed it.
Read: This is how Donald Trump will be remembered
The site resembled a version of a tool Oscar had already built for its customers in response to the crisis, but it was “adjusted to meet the specifications and requirements set by the federal government,” Jackie Kahn, the Oscar spokesperson, said in an emailed statement. That Oscar had already been working on a c****av***s-testing website when HHS called to ask for help was a coincidence that had nothing to do with Kushner, Kahn suggested. She declined to say whether Oscar had discussed that site with Joshua Kushner or any board members or investors before Trump’s March 13 press conference.

Oscar donated its work freely and never expected to be paid for the project, Kahn said. The company is “not, nor has ever been,” a contractor or subcontractor for the government, she said, which would make it harder for the government to pay Oscar for its work. The work was “all at the direction of HHS,” she said. “The website never saw the light of day,” she added in an interview today.
That may not matter from an ethics perspective. The ad hoc nature of Kushner’s task force has already collided with federal laws. Oscar’s involvement deepens Kushner’s ethics and conflict-of-interest problems.
“It’s not typical. It’s usually not allowed,” Jessica Tillipman, an assistant dean at the George Washington University School of Law and an expert on anti-corruption law, told me.
Oscar’s relationship with the Trump administration could breach federal law in two ways, Tillipman and other experts told me. First, companies are generally not supposed to work for the federal government for free, though some exceptions can be made in a national emergency. “The concern, when you have some free services, is that it makes the government beholden to the company,” Tillipman said.

More important, she said, any Kushner involvement may have violated the “impartiality rule,” which requires federal employees to refrain from making decisions when they even appear to involve a conflict of interest. The rule also prohibits federal employees from making a decision in which close relatives may have a financial stake. Such a situation would seem to apply to Kushner and Oscar. In 2013, Jared and Joshua were the “ultimate controlling persons in Oscar’s holding company,” according to a New York State report that Mother Jones dug up earlier this month. When the elder Kushner joined the White House, he disclosed that he had been on the board of Oscar’s holding company from May 2010 to January 2017. He also said that he had sold his shares in the holding company for somewhere between $1.2 million and $7 million. Joshua still holds a stake in the company. When Jared joined the administration, he sold his shares to either Joshua or a trust controlled by their mother, according to his financial disclosures.

Kushner did not divest all the assets that he owned jointly with his brother when he joined the White House. Earlier this month, he sold his stake in Cadre, a real-estate investment firm that he owned with Joshua. The stake was worth tens of millions of dollars as recently as last year, Kushner said in his disclosures.
There was nothing wrong with Oscar’s arrangement with the government, Kahn argued. “This was the right thing to do, both legally and ethically, and if anyone has any doubt that C****-** is an emergency, he’s lost his mind,” she said. “We are enormously proud of our people who put serving the nation ahead of everything during this time of crisis.”
Oscar’s description of its work for the administration has changed over time. Two weeks ago, the company told Business Insider that it had “shared code” with the Department of Health and Human Services, but it did not disclose that it had actually made a website. Last week, Kahn told me in an interview that the company had merely “shrink-wrapped” its code, a piece of jargon that meant it had disconnected the code from its in-house technical platforms so that it could work on other servers. Her statement today admitted that Oscar had gone much further

fullspinzoo

moldyoldy wrote:

He went to Jared

Because he did such a good job on middle east peace.

For the past several weeks, Kushner has led a “shadow task force” on the c****av***s, separate from Vice President Mike Pence’s official committee, according to The Washington Post. Kushner’s team, composed of federal officials allied with Kushner and outside corporate executives, has met in the headquarters of the Department of Health and Human Services. A senior official at that agency called Oscar to ask for its help on March 13, the day of Trump’s press conference, the Oscar spokesperson said.

Kushner’s group has focused on expanding and publicizing c****av***s testing, especially at drive-through locations. Oscar’s website would have asked users if they were experiencing symptoms of C****-**, the illness caused by the v***s, and surveyed them about other risk factors, including their age and preexisting conditions. It also would have listed a limited number of testing locations nationwide, including some of the drive-through sites that Trump promised. It was designed to look like a government-developed product, provided freely by the Department of Health and Human Services to the American public. Oscar posted the source code for the site to Github, where The Atlantic reviewed it.
Read: This is how Donald Trump will be remembered
The site resembled a version of a tool Oscar had already built for its customers in response to the crisis, but it was “adjusted to meet the specifications and requirements set by the federal government,” Jackie Kahn, the Oscar spokesperson, said in an emailed statement. That Oscar had already been working on a c****av***s-testing website when HHS called to ask for help was a coincidence that had nothing to do with Kushner, Kahn suggested. She declined to say whether Oscar had discussed that site with Joshua Kushner or any board members or investors before Trump’s March 13 press conference.

Oscar donated its work freely and never expected to be paid for the project, Kahn said. The company is “not, nor has ever been,” a contractor or subcontractor for the government, she said, which would make it harder for the government to pay Oscar for its work. The work was “all at the direction of HHS,” she said. “The website never saw the light of day,” she added in an interview today.
That may not matter from an ethics perspective. The ad hoc nature of Kushner’s task force has already collided with federal laws. Oscar’s involvement deepens Kushner’s ethics and conflict-of-interest problems.
“It’s not typical. It’s usually not allowed,” Jessica Tillipman, an assistant dean at the George Washington University School of Law and an expert on anti-corruption law, told me.
Oscar’s relationship with the Trump administration could breach federal law in two ways, Tillipman and other experts told me. First, companies are generally not supposed to work for the federal government for free, though some exceptions can be made in a national emergency. “The concern, when you have some free services, is that it makes the government beholden to the company,” Tillipman said.

More important, she said, any Kushner involvement may have violated the “impartiality rule,” which requires federal employees to refrain from making decisions when they even appear to involve a conflict of interest. The rule also prohibits federal employees from making a decision in which close relatives may have a financial stake. Such a situation would seem to apply to Kushner and Oscar. In 2013, Jared and Joshua were the “ultimate controlling persons in Oscar’s holding company,” according to a New York State report that Mother Jones dug up earlier this month. When the elder Kushner joined the White House, he disclosed that he had been on the board of Oscar’s holding company from May 2010 to January 2017. He also said that he had sold his shares in the holding company for somewhere between $1.2 million and $7 million. Joshua still holds a stake in the company. When Jared joined the administration, he sold his shares to either Joshua or a trust controlled by their mother, according to his financial disclosures.

Kushner did not divest all the assets that he owned jointly with his brother when he joined the White House. Earlier this month, he sold his stake in Cadre, a real-estate investment firm that he owned with Joshua. The stake was worth tens of millions of dollars as recently as last year, Kushner said in his disclosures.
There was nothing wrong with Oscar’s arrangement with the government, Kahn argued. “This was the right thing to do, both legally and ethically, and if anyone has any doubt that C****-** is an emergency, he’s lost his mind,” she said. “We are enormously proud of our people who put serving the nation ahead of everything during this time of crisis.”
Oscar’s description of its work for the administration has changed over time. Two weeks ago, the company told Business Insider that it had “shared code” with the Department of Health and Human Services, but it did not disclose that it had actually made a website. Last week, Kahn told me in an interview that the company had merely “shrink-wrapped” its code, a piece of jargon that meant it had disconnected the code from its in-house technical platforms so that it could work on other servers. Her statement today admitted that Oscar had gone much further

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Waste of time.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

moldyoldy wrote:

He went to Jared

Because he did such a good job on middle east peace.

For the past several weeks, Kushner has led a “shadow task force” on the c****av***s, separate from Vice President Mike Pence’s official committee, according to The Washington Post. Kushner’s team, composed of federal officials allied with Kushner and outside corporate executives, has met in the headquarters of the Department of Health and Human Services. A senior official at that agency called Oscar to ask for its help on March 13, the day of Trump’s press conference, the Oscar spokesperson said.

Kushner’s group has focused on expanding and publicizing c****av***s testing, especially at drive-through locations. Oscar’s website would have asked users if they were experiencing symptoms of C****-**, the illness caused by the v***s, and surveyed them about other risk factors, including their age and preexisting conditions. It also would have listed a limited number of testing locations nationwide, including some of the drive-through sites that Trump promised. It was designed to look like a government-developed product, provided freely by the Department of Health and Human Services to the American public. Oscar posted the source code for the site to Github, where The Atlantic reviewed it.
Read: This is how Donald Trump will be remembered
The site resembled a version of a tool Oscar had already built for its customers in response to the crisis, but it was “adjusted to meet the specifications and requirements set by the federal government,” Jackie Kahn, the Oscar spokesperson, said in an emailed statement. That Oscar had already been working on a c****av***s-testing website when HHS called to ask for help was a coincidence that had nothing to do with Kushner, Kahn suggested. She declined to say whether Oscar had discussed that site with Joshua Kushner or any board members or investors before Trump’s March 13 press conference.

Oscar donated its work freely and never expected to be paid for the project, Kahn said. The company is “not, nor has ever been,” a contractor or subcontractor for the government, she said, which would make it harder for the government to pay Oscar for its work. The work was “all at the direction of HHS,” she said. “The website never saw the light of day,” she added in an interview today.
That may not matter from an ethics perspective. The ad hoc nature of Kushner’s task force has already collided with federal laws. Oscar’s involvement deepens Kushner’s ethics and conflict-of-interest problems.
“It’s not typical. It’s usually not allowed,” Jessica Tillipman, an assistant dean at the George Washington University School of Law and an expert on anti-corruption law, told me.
Oscar’s relationship with the Trump administration could breach federal law in two ways, Tillipman and other experts told me. First, companies are generally not supposed to work for the federal government for free, though some exceptions can be made in a national emergency. “The concern, when you have some free services, is that it makes the government beholden to the company,” Tillipman said.

More important, she said, any Kushner involvement may have violated the “impartiality rule,” which requires federal employees to refrain from making decisions when they even appear to involve a conflict of interest. The rule also prohibits federal employees from making a decision in which close relatives may have a financial stake. Such a situation would seem to apply to Kushner and Oscar. In 2013, Jared and Joshua were the “ultimate controlling persons in Oscar’s holding company,” according to a New York State report that Mother Jones dug up earlier this month. When the elder Kushner joined the White House, he disclosed that he had been on the board of Oscar’s holding company from May 2010 to January 2017. He also said that he had sold his shares in the holding company for somewhere between $1.2 million and $7 million. Joshua still holds a stake in the company. When Jared joined the administration, he sold his shares to either Joshua or a trust controlled by their mother, according to his financial disclosures.

Kushner did not divest all the assets that he owned jointly with his brother when he joined the White House. Earlier this month, he sold his stake in Cadre, a real-estate investment firm that he owned with Joshua. The stake was worth tens of millions of dollars as recently as last year, Kushner said in his disclosures.
There was nothing wrong with Oscar’s arrangement with the government, Kahn argued. “This was the right thing to do, both legally and ethically, and if anyone has any doubt that C****-** is an emergency, he’s lost his mind,” she said. “We are enormously proud of our people who put serving the nation ahead of everything during this time of crisis.”
Oscar’s description of its work for the administration has changed over time. Two weeks ago, the company told Business Insider that it had “shared code” with the Department of Health and Human Services, but it did not disclose that it had actually made a website. Last week, Kahn told me in an interview that the company had merely “shrink-wrapped” its code, a piece of jargon that meant it had disconnected the code from its in-house technical platforms so that it could work on other servers. Her statement today admitted that Oscar had gone much further

He went to Jared br br Because he did such a good... (show quote)

Now you have done it Moldy,, you have hurt the tender feelings of the right wingers.. gee you told them a t***h and they can never handle that stuff..

Way to go.. you did a great post.. keep it up.. they will soon fall under the weight of all the orange lies and the cult leader will simply let them lie as he moves on to l**t the nation on the heel of the v***s..

fullspinzoo

moldyoldy wrote:

You are right because a real leader has the My Pillow guy give the v***s update.

It wasn't an update numbnuts, It was an example of companies coming together to work together in unity...something your moronic ilk know nothing about. A guy worth $300 Million who is willing to donate 50,000 masks made per day? Yeah that's a terrible thing to give tribute to. I'm sure 100 times more than what you have given your country except your service (you probably got a dishonorable discharge). I'd like to say thanks for your service, but you're so unappreciative and show absolutely no respect for our Commander-in-Chief. So, I'll pass. just can't get past that Halfrican doing a half-baked job can you?

fullspinzoo

permafrost wrote:

Now you have done it Moldy,, you have hurt the tender feelings of the right wingers.. gee you told them a t***h and they can never handle that stuff..

Way to go.. you did a great post.. keep it up.. they will soon fall under the weight of all the orange lies and the cult leader will simply let them lie as he moves on to l**t the nation on the heel of the v***s..

You wouldn't know the t***h if it bit you in the ass. You are one of the bigger liars or spin/con artists on OPP. I should never connected you or vice-versa with Rad. She doesn't deserve to put up with your bulls**t. I have sneaking suspicion you didn't even graduate from high school. You don't have to tell me the t***h. I won't believe it anyway. Poor Radiance ~ to have to listen to your crap. she'll probably never forgive me. Have they thrown you out of the "c*******t party" yet. Hope you have your cryin' towel ready for late November 3rd? I have a bunch of them them left over from 2016, Not very cheap though..