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Mar 31, 2020 08:33:42   #
factnotfiction
 
Many more deaths in W***n than reported




https://www.businessinsider.com/w***n-residents-say-chinese-government-c****av***s-death-toll-is-low-2020-3

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Mar 31, 2020 08:42:14   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 


You're just now coming to realize that China is not our friend?

Your TDS made you include the President in your post

How r****ded can a liberal be?

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Mar 31, 2020 08:52:10   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
byronglimish wrote:
You're just now coming to realize that China is not our friend?

Your TDS made you include the President in your post

How r****ded can a liberal be?


Don't be rude to r****ds

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Mar 31, 2020 09:04:06   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
I’d like to know why this is happening?? Deaths or government shut down of communications?? Snd if so. Why??

Is China hiding C****-** death toll? 21 million cell phones disappeared, why?

Since the outbreak of Novel C****av***s which emerged in China's W***n, the p******c has k**led 15,374 people globally and infected 351,731 individuals. Recently the death toll in Italy surpassed the initial epicentre of the outbreak in China, where officially 3,153 people have died due to the C****-**.

But recently Beijing authorities announced on March 19 that more than 21 million cell phone accounts were cancelled while in past three months 840,000 landlines were closed in China, which gives an idea that probably these closed numbers belonged to the people who died due to the disease.

Tang Jingyuan, a US-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21:



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.sg/china-hiding-c****-**-death-toll-21-million-cell-phones-disappeared-why-41580

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Mar 31, 2020 09:16:04   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
I’d like to know why this is happening?? Deaths or government shut down of communications?? Snd if so. Why??

Is China hiding C****-** death toll? 21 million cell phones disappeared, why?

Since the outbreak of Novel C****av***s which emerged in China's W***n, the p******c has k**led 15,374 people globally and infected 351,731 individuals. Recently the death toll in Italy surpassed the initial epicentre of the outbreak in China, where officially 3,153 people have died due to the C****-**.

But recently Beijing authorities announced on March 19 that more than 21 million cell phone accounts were cancelled while in past three months 840,000 landlines were closed in China, which gives an idea that probably these closed numbers belonged to the people who died due to the disease.

Tang Jingyuan, a US-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21:



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.sg/china-hiding-c****-**-death-toll-21-million-cell-phones-disappeared-why-41580
I’d like to know why this is happening?? Deaths or... (show quote)


I heard about the 21 million phones cancelled and the probability of deaths related to it.

I also heard that massive graves were dug and used crematoriums.

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Mar 31, 2020 09:21:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
byronglimish wrote:
I heard about the 21 million phones cancelled and the probability of deaths related to it.

I also heard that massive graves were dug and used crematoriums.


Somethings up Byron. Given the fact we’re not getting any straight answers out of China to begin with certainly leaves a huge question about their mortality rate!

Is it no wonder we can’t get any true definition about the severity of this v***s?

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Mar 31, 2020 09:26:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
I’d like to know why this is happening?? Deaths or government shut down of communications?? Snd if so. Why??

Is China hiding C****-** death toll? 21 million cell phones disappeared, why?

Since the outbreak of Novel C****av***s which emerged in China's W***n, the p******c has k**led 15,374 people globally and infected 351,731 individuals. Recently the death toll in Italy surpassed the initial epicentre of the outbreak in China, where officially 3,153 people have died due to the C****-**.

But recently Beijing authorities announced on March 19 that more than 21 million cell phone accounts were cancelled while in past three months 840,000 landlines were closed in China, which gives an idea that probably these closed numbers belonged to the people who died due to the disease.

Tang Jingyuan, a US-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21:



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.sg/china-hiding-c****-**-death-toll-21-million-cell-phones-disappeared-why-41580
I’d like to know why this is happening?? Deaths or... (show quote)


One must be alive to cancel a cell phone... It would be difficult for a family member to do so during the lockdown...

Most were probably business related... Lots of businesses went under... And employees who didn't cancel their cell phones would wind up being libel for the bills...

Kind of explains the landlines as well... No sense paying for a line if your business has failed


China was hit hard... Trillionz of dollars and million of jobs lost

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Mar 31, 2020 09:27:15   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
Somethings up Byron. Given the fact we’re not getting any straight answers out of China to begin with certainly leaves a huge question about their mortality rate!

Is it no wonder we can’t get any true definition about the severity of this v***s?


I totally agree. Deception is order of the day.

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Mar 31, 2020 09:38:55   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
One must be alive to cancel a cell phone... It would be difficult for a family member to do so during the lockdown...

Most were probably business related... Lots of businesses went under... And employees who didn't cancel their cell phones would wind up being libel for the bills...

Kind of explains the landlines as well... No sense paying for a line if your business has failed


China was hit hard... Trillionz of dollars and million of jobs lost
One must be alive to cancel a cell phone... It wo... (show quote)


All plausible yet still raises Questions of so many so Quickly...
When my mother passed I had no problem turning off her cell phone and landline...Or any of her utilities when it came time to do that as well.

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Mar 31, 2020 09:47:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
All plausible yet still raises Questions of so many so Quickly...
When my mother passed I had no problem turning off her cell phone and landline...Or any of her utilities when it came time to do that as well.


But you could go to the office and deal directly with the company, no?

The offices have all been shut down during quarantine... I could cancel my own line because I have the password and access to my phone... But my wife probably couldn't...

It hasn't been quick either... Over two months now... And at the end of February there had only been 5 million cancellations (we had some people asking the same questions then...) Which would indicate that the majority of cancellations have occurred in March... Which makes sense... As many of those who were out of a job would have had phone bills due during the first week of March...

Chinese New Year started January 25 this year... So most businesses would have paid off February before going on holiday... March would have been bill time (we pay forward here)....

I have no doubt that the official numbers are wrong... It was a hectic time and there were no doubt mistakes in diagnisis and intentional cover ups during the early days...

But the numbers we see now seem to hold for the rest of the world as well.... Although we have a slightly higher mortality rate than most nations (about 4%)...Perhaps this is due to the lack of information early on?

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Mar 31, 2020 11:06:57   #
factnotfiction
 
byronglimish wrote:
You're just now coming to realize that China is not our friend?

Your TDS made you include the President in your post

How r****ded can a liberal be?




Obviously not as r****ded as trump supporters

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Mar 31, 2020 11:07:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But you could go to the office and deal directly with the company, no?

The offices have all been shut down during quarantine... I could cancel my own line because I have the password and access to my phone... But my wife probably couldn't...

It hasn't been quick either... Over two months now... And at the end of February there had only been 5 million cancellations (we had some people asking the same questions then...) Which would indicate that the majority of cancellations have occurred in March... Which makes sense... As many of those who were out of a job would have had phone bills due during the first week of March...

Chinese New Year started January 25 this year... So most businesses would have paid off February before going on holiday... March would have been bill time (we pay forward here)....

I have no doubt that the official numbers are wrong... It was a hectic time and there were no doubt mistakes in diagnisis and intentional cover ups during the early days...

But the numbers we see now seem to hold for the rest of the world as well.... Although we have a slightly higher mortality rate than most nations (about 4%)...Perhaps this is due to the lack of information early on?
But you could go to the office and deal directly w... (show quote)


But what about the other comments in the article??some Explanations as you suggest but you must admit some things just do not add up especially if everyone must have a cell phone. Did the government shut them down???

The digitization level is very high in China. People can't survive without a cell phone. Dealing with the government for pensions and social security, buying train tickets, shopping... no matter what people want to do, they are required to use cell phones.

"The Chinese regime requires all Chinese use their cell phones to generate a health code. Only with a green health code are Chinese allowed to move in China now.

"It's impossible for a person to cancel his cell phone."

China telecom stats

The Chinese authority introduced mandatory facial scans on December 1, 2019, to confirm the identity of the person who registered the phone. The people in China also have to sync their bank accounts and social security account with their cell phone as all the apps can detect the SIM card and then check with the database to make sure the number belongs to the person.

In China, it is mandatory to install a cell phone app and register their personal health information. The app can generate a QR code which is possible in three colours to classify a person's health condition. In this case, red means the person has an infectious disease, while yellow and green represent the possibility of infectious disease and no sign of such illness respectively.
On March 19, China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) announced the numbers of cell phone users in every province in February. When these numbers are compared to the December 2019 data, it revealed that both cell phone users and landline users dropped dramatically.

The comparison showed that the number of cell phone users decreased from 1.600957 billion to 1.579927 billion, while landline users dropped from 190.83 million to 189.99 million.

It is possible that the nationwide lockdown in February was the reason behind the drop in the numbers of landline users as many companies were shut down, the quarantine scenario can't be a reason behind the drop in the cell phone users.

It should be noted that as per the reports China Telecom is the second-largest carrier which has lost 5.6 million users in February 2020 and lost 0.43 million users in January 2020. China Unicom also lost 1.186 million users in January 2020.

While the drop in these numbers showed a dramatic scenario in China, Tang said, "It's possible that some migrant workers had two cell phone numbers before. One is from their hometown, and the other is from the city they work in. In February, they might close the number in the city they work in because they couldn't go there."

It is possible that these workers may have gone to their home city for the Chinese New Year and after the travel ban, they did not get a chance to come back to China. It should be noted that in China there is a basic monthly fee to hold a cell phone account and the majority of migrant workers, who belong to the lowest income group, likely only have one cell phone account.

The economic downturn caused by the outbreak could have forced the Chinese people, who have two cell phones to cancel one of them.

While explaining the scenario in China, Tang said,"At present, we don't know the details of the data. If only 10 percent of the cell phone accounts were closed because the users died because of the CCP v***s [Novel C****av***s], the death toll would be two million."

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Mar 31, 2020 11:13:45   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Obviously not as r****ded as trump supporters


That's your best? You can do better, Raylynn.

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Mar 31, 2020 11:24:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Obviously not as r****ded as trump supporters


Yep, definitely decided I’m wearing this every time I try to read your posts.

Ohhhhh good grief the sickos are out...Protect yourselves~~~😳
Ohhhhh good grief the sickos are out...Protect you...

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Mar 31, 2020 11:30:12   #
factnotfiction
 
lindajoy wrote:
Yep, definitely decided I’m wearing this every time I try to read your posts.




If nothing else, that outfit certainly improves your appearance

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