woodguru

First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

[quote=woodguru]First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/[/quote]

It would make more sense if companies making perfume and make up change, instead to manufacturing face masks. After all, dead people do not wear makeup or perfume, but if they are healthy they might very well want and need makeup and perfume.

Gatsby

[quote=woodguru]First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/[/quote]

A typewriter manufacturer, a sewing machine manufacturer, a radiator manufacturer and a farm implement

manufacturer (just to name a few) all made many excellent firearms for WWII, dummy!

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

[quote=woodguru]First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/[/quote]

Woody, for once you aren't wrong. I've said this before. These changes can't take place overnight. Yes, some things can be done elsewhere and the expertise is there in many cases. But we are talking weeks and months, not days.

Personal information: I know of a firm that is coordinating and building a remote building from basic design to finished product. 120 days. For a hospital for infectious containment. I keep saying. These things take time. Can be rushed and working three shifts, but it takes time.

It is the same with respirators. Give encouragement instead of blame and yes, that goes for Trump, Obama, Cuomo and so many others. Capitalist business is fantastic if you just cut the red tape, get out of the way, and give them time.

Idaho

Maybe years ago the t***sition from cars to respirators might have been more of a stretch, but these days much of any retooling operation is achieved by design and automation. The most complicated thing about respirators is their electronics. The auto industry has become highly sophisticated wrt electronics over the past two decades.

I see nothing in this fabrication challenge that good old American ingenuity can’t do, and do quickly.

It has become so easy to differentiate between Liberals and Conservatives in everything you read. If it’s negative and full of can’ts and won’ts and shouldn’ts ..... and negative and /or insulting - it’s bound to be written by a Liberal.

The US didn’t used to be that way - and over the next few years we will see the pendulum swing sharply back the other way.

billy a Loc: South Florida

[quote=woodguru]First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/[/quote]
That's the difference between you and an American. An American TRIES.

Kazudy

[quote=woodguru]First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/[/quote]

We don’t are about making sense TO YOU, we care about there being respirators.

Mutton Dressed As Lamb

And don't forget the M1 carbine. That weapon was also produced by the Rock-ola juke box manufacturer, along with other companies. It was the strength of American manufacturing at that time, along with its ability to "shift gears" when needed, that helped the Axis "face the music" Unfortunately, we are no longer the manufacturing giant we used to be. In the case of masks, the most logical fit would be the textile industry, most of which has fled to the Pacific Rim, South of the border, or South Asia. However some industries still here have stepped up to the plate. Some sailmakers have shifted production from boat sails to masks. All it took was dialing down the power of their industrial sewing machines and acquiring thinner thread and smaller diameter needles. Awning manufacturers could no doubt do the same. I don't think that an automaker would be the right fit

PJT

World War II is proof that car manufacturers and others can quickly and massively change production to ventilators etc.
You didn't learn from history.

EmilyD

GOOD POINT!!!

And that was from 1939 to 1945....imagine how much faster making things are today than those days (80 years ago)!

PJT

We still have the capacity to pull off a manufacturing miracle like that done in WWII.
The question is: do we as politicians and citizens have the will?and do we have all the resources domestically such as chemicals, minerals, etc.?

EmilyD

It's not the politicians and us citizens that "have the will", it's the companies who have volunteered to help out. I doubt those that have already volunteered to make respirators and ventilators will not do what they say they CAN do.

moldyoldy

Trump orders GM to make ventilators, without contract, at someone else's factory, by tweet
.
A day ago, Donald Trump claimed that governors were exaggerating their need for ventilators, apparently after watching some Fox News segment making the claim (not joking). Friday morning, he was screaming on Twitter about the need for more ventilators. Our resident c****av***s expert, Mark Sumner, writes about the absurdity of it all:

After spending the evening telling Sean Hannity that those greedy governors—especially pushy female governors—didn’t really need the ventilators they were desperately requesting, Donald Trump appears to have realized that literally cutting off air to Americans is a bad look. So on Friday morning, Trump did an all too typical 180 and took to Twitter to do what he does best: Blame other people for his mistakes.

On Thursday evening, The New York Times explained how Trump completely blew off an all-but-complete deal to have GM manufacture thousands of desperately needed ventilators while refusing to invoke the Defense Production Act. But on Friday, Trump demanded—demanded—that GM get right on with making ventilators, apparently for free. Only Trump addressed that demand to a Twitter account that wasn’t GM. And he ordered them to use a factory that they sold months ago.

Daredevil

[quote=woodguru]First of all there needs to be a coordinated effort in terms of the federal government taking control of the manufacturing and supply chain, so that a comprehensive assessment can be made as to how much manufacturing actually needs to be ramped up to meet the expected demand. A well coordinated effort at the front makes it to where far less needs to be made when those who do this can meet the demand.

So then, if the people who make ventilators cannot step up to a level that's needed over an extended time as more and more are needed, then the stops get pulled out and you repurpose existing manufactures to pick up the slack. If you need tanks, jeeps, or airplanes you repurpose manufacturers that make those things and retool them as was done in world wars.

To gear up the manufacturing of respirators you first look to those who make respirators (after figuring out the demand shortfall). Some of the medical equipment manufacturers make other things, they split their capabilities between respirators and other things. You work with them to find out what they can ramp up to within their company... can they go an extra shift, or stop making something else and divert to respirators? After figuring out that you go to pressuring them for more, maybe a third shift. Then, when it is obvious there will not be enough, look to finding companies who make similar things so they have the ability to switch it up much easier. Not only that they have employees who are good at the thing that needs to be done.

An automobile assembly line is geared to do one thing and one thing only, and it has hundreds of millions worth of tooling and robots that do nothing else. Auto workers do not have the technical expertise either. Now some of the ancillary suppliers of electronics or mechanical parts might be in a position...but my point is you don[t demand that an auto manufacturer crank it up and start making respirators.

And this is a look into the way trump is completely out of his element.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/trump-tweet-lashes-out-at-gm-and-ford-says-hes-very-impressed-with-obama-cabinet-member/[/quote]

Right? Can't even trust Ford and GM to make a working car nowadays.

In all seriousness, as long as they partner with the right people, they should be alright.

moldyoldy

Most things are made in pieces all over the world and assembled here, we don’t manufacture like we did in the past. Cheaper labor in the third world